Seniority dispute ends at US Airways

[FDJ2]

Oh, our commitment should be quite obvious by now. It has cost you over 2M$ and caused Judge Wake to eat crow. No problems looking in the mirror or getting a good night sleep. ta-ta.:beer:

I'm not part of the lawsuit, just someone with no dog in this fight disgusted by the unprincipled actions of the mob at USAPA.

 

[Turtle21]

I'm not part of the lawsuit, just someone with no dog in this fight disgusted by the unprincipled actions of the mob at USAPA.

You seem to be doing a lot of hating for someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight. You'll shorten your life if you burden yourself with everyone else's business that doesn't concern you. Me thinks you confused or hiding your interests.

As far as "unprincipled", that is exactly how we felt when ALPA denounced the Nic award and failed to abide by their own CB&L policies. Funny thing is, the "unprincipled mob" got to vote on ALPA's "principles". When 500 pilots walked up to the door at Herndon they thought we were a mob then too.

Live long and prosper, bro.

 

[becket]

Becket...DRFII with only a pen stroke? That's going to be one helluva pen stroke. How much does you lawyer charge for a "pen stroke?" Are you super, super sure of what you're writing here, like the Ocity?

Thanks for the meaningless, pointless reply. You however, failed to answer the basic question. Again, how does the 9th's ruling that the case simply wasn't ripe, help you. EVER? How is that a victory? What, exactly do you think you've "won"? DFRII is not a Helluva pen stroke. It's a simple fact. The gun is locked and loaded. It's up to USAPA to determine when the trigger gets pulled.

Because you seem to have an ability to read something that isn't present in the 9ths ruling, perhaps you could indulge us with exactly what part you're referring to when you imply that USAPA is free to run the DOH sham.

Waiting.

 

[Turtle21]

Thanks for the meaningless, pointless reply. You however, failed to answer the basic question. Again, how does the 9th's ruling that the case simply wasn't ripe, help you. EVER? How is that a victory? What, exactly do you think you've "won"? DFRII is not a Helluva pen stroke. It's a simple fact. The gun is locked and loaded. It's up to USAPA to determine when the trigger gets pulled.

Because you seem to have an ability to read something that isn't present in the 9ths ruling, perhaps you could indulge us with exactly what part you're referring to when you imply that USAPA is free to run the DOH sham.

Waiting.

No one is looking at a DOH sham. You may as well go snipe hunting.

The relevant points from the 9th that demonstrate the Nic is not the end all be all have been pointed to many times. Willful blindness can't be cured.imp:

 

[becket]

No one is looking at a DOH sham. You may as well go snipe hunting.

The relevant points from the 9th that demonstrate the Nic is not the end all be all have been pointed to many times. Willful blindness can't be cured.imp:

The only thing the 9th indicated was that maybe USAPA will come up with something that won't get them sued. Well the company clarified USAPAs demands for us with their new law suit. USAPA will not let go of DOH. Big surprise. So I guess you've been misinformed. USAPA IS looking at a DOH sham. That was easily proven illegal once. It'll happen again. DFR2.0 is in the bag.

That is if it's even an issue. If the company is going to be held liable if they deviate from the Nic. Game over. Checkmate. Nic. or LOA93 forever. USAPA will stall, continue to evade their legal obligations to their constituents, and blame the boogey man. That will last until USAPA is replaced, (most likely scenario) or sane people are allowed into USAPA management, (not likely).

 

[FNG320]

Thanks for the meaningless, pointless reply. You however, failed to answer the basic question. Again, how does the 9th's ruling that the case simply wasn't ripe, help you. EVER? How is that a victory? What, exactly do you think you've "won"? DFRII is not a Helluva pen stroke. It's a simple fact. The gun is locked and loaded. It's up to USAPA to determine when the trigger gets pulled.

Because you seem to have an ability to read something that isn't present in the 9ths ruling, perhaps you could indulge us with exactly what part you're referring to when you imply that USAPA is free to run the DOH sham.

Waiting.

USAPA is free to negotiate any SLI they desire with USAir. However, if it does not include/follow the NIC the case will be "ripe" and USAPA will be back to court again, and USAPA will lose again. This time there will be no apeal to the 9th (becuase it was ripe). In addition USAir as well as USAPA may both become responsible for damages. That is why USAir is asking the courts to determine there liablity should they sign a CBA with USAPA that does not follow the NIC award.

Can USAPA do it? Yes

Will they do it? Only if they are stupid.

What will hapen if they do? They will lose in court and the NIC award will be implemented by the courts.

The final results will be 5-10+ years of below par wages, benefits, retirement and 50% of those affected on the east side will be retired or moved on to other jobs. By then you can have a new election and kick out USAPA (which you might be able to do now based or their performance so far).

Just my opinion......

FNG

 

[Turtle21]

USAPA is free to negotiate any SLI they desire with USAir. However, if it does not include/follow the NIC the case will be "ripe" and USAPA will be back to court again, and USAPA will lose again. This time there will be no apeal to the 9th (becuase it was ripe). In addition USAir as well as USAPA may both become responsible for damages. That is why USAir is asking the courts to determine there liablity should they sign a CBA with USAPA that does not follow the NIC award.

Can USAPA do it? Yes

Will they do it? Only if they are stupid.

What will hapen if they do? They will lose in court and the NIC award will be implemented by the courts.

The final results will be 5-10+ years of below par wages, benefits, retirement and 50% of those affected on the east side will be retired or moved on to other jobs. By then you can have a new election and kick out USAPA (which you might be able to do now based or their performance so far).

Just my opinion......

FNG

The 9th made it clear that the question of legitimacy of "Nic or something else" is not within the jurisdiction of the court until a contract is ratified, after the completion of the internal union process, at which time the standard of the Supreme Court, as cited by the 9th, will apply.

Anyone who thinks they have something in the bag ought to cash in their divining powers at Las Vegas.

 

[Bringupthebird]

DFR II will only be aborted if the contract has overwhelming benefits to the point that the Addington plaintiffs feel they would be better off withthe contract than rolling the dice in court.

THE PROBLEM is that USAPA will be unable to produce those overwhelming west benefits due to their lack of negotiating capital (strike is a non-starter) and their fallback position is a 50%+1 cramdown which of course will trigger an immediate DFR II.

ALL US Pilots should demand more from their union than a lousy 50%+1, and that will only come about when the union actively pursues unity with the west and that will take either a new union or, at the least, new leadership.

 

[Turtle21]

DFR II will only be aborted if the contract has overwhelming benefits to the point that the Addington plaintiffs feel they would be better off withthe contract than rolling the dice in court.

THE PROBLEM is that USAPA will be unable to produce those overwhelming west benefits due to their lack of negotiating capital (strike is a non-starter) and their fallback position is a 50%+1 cramdown which of course will trigger an immediate DFR II.

ALL US Pilots should demand more from their union than a lousy 50%+1, and that will only come about when the union actively pursues unity with the west and that will take either a new union or, at the least, new leadership.

Yes, overwhelming west benefits have always been a priority and will always continue to be.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Please send out the strike ballot. The world is ready for a little humor.