Seniority dispute ends at US Airways

[Carl S.]

JJ(St. Nic.), Why no national officers at our PHX meeting last month? Ever hear about our statute of limitations for filling DFR I? So far looks like money well spent, at least from how the company is taking care of DFR II for free for us. Any word on the Crimi recall status?

 

[Cowboy75]

Baptiste and Wilder- dead on with Wake. You cannot put this INTERNAL UNION ISSUE off much longer. When it becomes very clear USAPA is free to go ahead as long as there is no damage you will see. And it all depends on what damage is. These days, if you have a job you are basically undamaged. Your view of damage is going to be very interesting when you have to stack it up against another pilot.

ALL GREAT POINTS

INTERNAL UNION ISSUE is code for exclude the West pilots in the decision making processs. While you are on the subject of damage, damages accrue every day pilots remain furloughed or downgraded as a result of ignoring binding arbitration. It just means East pilots like yourself are going to pull money out of your pockets in the form of damages when the case is ripe. Pilots like myself continue to fund Leonidas because we are expecting a return on our investment.

You better start saving your money or postpone that big purchase until this thing is over. You're going to be writing checks and we are going to start collecting.

 

[get2flyin]

Baptiste and Wilder- dead on with Wake. (Says the Eastie)The West chose to spend two million plus for an unripe case, so keep forging ahead with that groundbreaking logic. (And the East threw out a union to beat "BINDING ARBITRATION", keep forging ahead with THAT logic) Interesting how quickly the West mindset chooses to shrug off the ruling from the 9th, and then re write labor law. (Interesting how quickly the East mindset choose to shrug off the ruling from Nic and then re-write labor law) Now the Nic is back! (REJOICE!) Out come the cheerleaders, the ones who must have urged you on with the original suit where the cardiologist / attorney took your money and delivered nothing. (Huh? We didn't need outside urging, we had the law on our side) I'll take Wilder over Mitch Vasin any day.Very amusing how Vasin tried to go head to head with him, and was literally shredded. (Again, Huh? I have NO idea what you are even talking about. Mitch isn't "the union", he is an affected pilot who, in addition to being far smarter than you, has chosen to fight the corruption from the East). Be careful with that money you keep shoveling into Leonidas with the urging of Koontz and Vasin. (You know that Vasin had NOTHING to do with the creation of Leonidas, right? In fact, early on he was very much at odds with the approach they had chosen to pursue.) They are giving you very bad advice. (Unlike the lawyer you've blown, what, 8 million on?) Now the company has delayed the inevitable with their filing. (No, they have tried to break the log-jam USAPA has created and blamed on the company so they can move forward. Remember the East war cry, "Delay, delay, delay"?) You cannot put this INTERNAL UNION ISSUE off much longer. (AWESOME! It's about time!) When it becomes very clear USAPA is free to go ahead as long as there is no damage you will see. (Will I? Will I really?) And it all depends on what damage is. These days, if you have a job you are basically undamaged. (You stopped making sense at the 3rd "damaged") Your view of damage is going to be very interesting when you have to stack it up against another pilot. (I stacked it up a long time ago. You, my friend, became damaged goods long before AWA showed up and threw you a life jacket).

ALL GREAT POINTS (Are you patting yourself on the back for the post you made? Classy. Whatever, champ)

There. I fixed it.​

 

[Bringupthebird]

Says the greedy west pilot. So tell me, how will it feel to be put on that special list when USAPA strikes? How do you think other airlines will look at you? How about ALPA? Think it through first.

Wait a minute. USAPAians all said they didn't care what pilots from other airlines thought of them and their temper-tantrum union. Now you feel their opinion has merit. Why is that?

As far as a USAPA strike goes, if I stop in the restroom on my way I might miss the whole thing. The senior guys have carried the angry F/O's as far as their gonna. The new F/O's are too glad to be out of their crumbling RJ world to risk anything. And the west has no interest in supporting anything USAPA does as long as USAPA is pursuing legal action against it's own member in lieu of actully leading. That leaves a few overinflated egos to try and pull off something meaningful. Ain't gonna happen.

 

[Cowboy75]

Be careful with that money you keep shoveling into Leonidas with the urging of Koontz and Vasin.

JJ,

I'm looking at ck# 17846 from Seham's law firm. Have any idea why he's writing checks concerning the lawsuit against the Cactus 18?

Since you are in the know, care to explain??

 

[Scope out RJ's]

JJ,

I'm looking at ck# 17846 from Seham's law firm. Have any idea why he's writing checks concerning the lawsuit against the Cactus 18?

Since you are in the know, care to explain??

He can't.....He's too busy working his 2nd job as a fry chef. You see that stellar 190 pay those eastholes negotiated have them paid less than, well, a mesa pilot.:laugh::laugh:

 

[Dizel8]

"Seniority dispute ends at US Airways"

"Just as soon as those darn west pilots bow to our will and accept DOH as the gold standard!"

 

[Cowboy75]

Scope and Dizel, I think my opponent is busy getting tossed around in the Seham/Cleary spin machine. Please leave her alone.

She's sensitive and has feelings. :laugh:

 

[Cowboy75]

Hey there Nic, have ya noticed we are on the offense and through playing games with Usapians??

It's going to get interesting. You better start saving your snapbacks!!!

 

[vetrider]

JLJ is being kind of quiet lately. As soon as the next down turn hits, we'll be out of money again, begging, hustling and everyting else to scrounge up a buck.

 

[Cowboy75]

JLJ is being kind of quiet lately.

Shhh. Don't disturb her, she's in bed with Cleary and Sheham.

 

[vetrider]

It won't be long, the meds will wear off, again...

 

[Cowboy75]

It won't be long, the meds will wear off, again...

I wonder if they don't test for that, one of our furloughed pilots might have their job back.

 

[St. Nic]

Who is JLJ? You guys are real men of genius

 

[flyboyike]

As someone who is a complete outsider to the US Airways system, I have a couple of general questions about this whole mess:

1. What is the expected end game here for either side? It sounds to me like the East wants straight DOH while the West wants Nicolau (with which I admit I'm not real familiar). It seems like neither one has much of a chance of happening in its pure form without years and years of litigation, so at what point short of either one of those two scenarios will one or both sides rest?

2. Who continues to benefit while this dispute continues? Aside from the lawyers (who, in my experience, manage to get rich no matter what), it seems to me the management comes out the big winner by continuing to pay substandard rates and administer substandard work rules, since neither the West nor the East seem to have time to address them.

3. If what I posit in #2 is correct (I said if), at what point does the management become a bigger enemy than each other? Is it never? Is it when the majority of pre-merger crewmembers retire?

I genuinely want to be educated on this matter, because I believe mergers will only continue and get bigger and I wouldn't want to see my pilot group in this kind of a bind (not that I could personally prevent it, but still...)