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[rajflyboy]

Raj and his very small minority buds won't get their wish-the LOAs are firmly in place. The vast majority of us want to minimize any impact. In fact, we are also in favor of the protections afforded you. I just wish we were given some good deals as well, as the fences in place prevent the vast majority from ever seeing the left seat of any G.


I think the last part of this paragraph is exactly why the first part of your paragraph is untrue.

 

[imacdog]

Time to give it up Raj, no rational person is listening to you anymore regarding this issue.

 

[rajflyboy]

Time to give it up Raj, no rational person is listening to you anymore regarding this issue.

You are the one no one is listening too. Instead of a logical well thought out argument against what I said you come on here with a personal attack. The reason for this is because you know I'm 100 percent right.

Bring some facts with this sour milk you bring.

 

[imacdog]

None of what you have presented has been fact. All of your information is "all the pilots I have talked with feel this way" and "I know this is how the pilots would vote", which most rational NJA pilots know is bullcrap. Then again, maybe you are in the 5% and only associate with the 5%, in which case you'd be an a-hole, and I'm willing to give you more credit than that. So please, stop pretending.

 

[rajflyboy]

None of what you have presented has been fact. All of your information is "all the pilots I have talked with feel this way" and "I know this is how the pilots would vote", which most rational NJA pilots know is bullcrap. So please, stop pretending.

You don't have a clue about this pilot group if you are going to make a statement like that.

There are many pilots laughing at you when they read this comment you made. If you are that clueless I guess you deserve to be laughed at.

 

[imacdog]

Have a great day, Raj! I do have to say that all of the pilots I have flown with there are much more rational than you. Your last comment asserting your opinions, against the plenty of other pilots on here disagreeing with you, sort of confirm that.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Gut,

A serious question. IF the merger was not taking place, do you think that the pilots would have kept their 401k's and health bennies being that you would not have had any protections? The company killed the f/a's bennies and I imagine the company would have done the same to the pilots. That being said, the pilots would have taken huge pay cuts in terms of bennies and God knows what else. In this case, the CBA has protected a lot of stuff for you guys. Maybe I am wrong, but what do you think? And no, I am not trying to rub it in, start a fight or anything, just an honest question..

Honest answer: I have no idea. I can't prove or disprove a negative. All I can do is analyze what is. For me and every 9 + year G pilot, the integration will be a pay cut. There will be those that take the 18 day schedule that make more on paper but the idea of working 21% more days for 7-8% more pay doesn't cut it for me.

Like any other proposition, there are pros and cons. My entire point was refuting the notion that I should pay back dues to a union I had no voice in joining.

And imac, thanks again for being one of the voices of reason and civil discussion.

 

[jppt2000]

You are a very very confused and misinformed puppy.

The pilot group prior to 2005 wanted to make sure that NJI was not taking work from NJA pilots with the Gulfsteam side. That does not mean that we wanted to merge and become 1 pilot group. I have never flown with a single pilot that wanted to merge the 2 pilot groups or seniority lists or even cared anything about it.

Do you think that survey information is remotely accurate? I have never been asked anything about integration in surveys I have taken. On top of that the questions are asked in a manner in which we can't even say exactly what we want to say most of the time.

The merger does make sense economically. No doubt about it. I don't think we need different HQ buildings all over the country. I understand the business end of this deal. I just don't believe that NJA pilots ever really wanted to merge seniorty lists.

Why now on an "anonymous" chatboard are you spewing this venom?

 

[jppt2000]

You don't have a clue about this pilot group if you are going to make a statement like that.

There are many pilots laughing at you when they read this comment you made. If you are that clueless I guess you deserve to be laughed at.

Appears a new messiah has been discovered.
This person claims to know the majority of what the pilots at NJA think.
My whole argument against you and your friends is that you don't represent or speak for the pilot group.
You tend to use the words "we" as if you are speaking for the union or a significant number of pilots.
You do not speak for me or the union, you had nothing to do with the bargaining of the integration LOA, you are not a recognized SME.
You are embarrassing yourself.
I have my personal feelings about the integration, but as a member of the union I have to accept the fact that I exist in a union, and put my faith and loyalty in the drafters/Subject Matter Experts of the LOA.
raj who appears to have a terribly long (decade)wait before he could even hold PIC on the G wants to simply spread his disappointment on innocent fellow pilots.
A successful integration is where everyone on both sides of the integration "feels" equally screwed.
raj your logic is becoming circular and mostly a waste of time.
Have fun, I've given you and your buddies too much attention.

 

[rajflyboy]

Appears a new messiah has been discovered.
This person claims to know the majority of what the pilots at NJA think.
My whole argument against you and your friends is that you don't represent or speak for the pilot group.
You tend to use the words "we" as if you are speaking for the union or a significant number of pilots.
You do not speak for me or the union, you had nothing to do with the bargaining of the integration LOA, you are not a recognized SME.
You are embarrassing yourself.
I have my personal feelings about the integration, but as a member of the union I have to accept the fact that I exist in a union, and put my faith and loyalty in the drafters/Subject Matter Experts of the LOA.
raj who appears to have a terribly long (decade)wait before he could even hold PIC on the G wants to simply spread his disappointment on innocent fellow pilots.
A successful integration is where everyone on both sides of the integration "feels" equally screwed.
raj your logic is becoming circular and mostly a waste of time.
Have fun, I've given you and your buddies too much attention.

Please produce some facts to back up your own argument. You can't pick on me for not having FACTS unless you bring some facts to the table. You have no facts so you continue the personal attacks.

I will also guarantee you that most of us have no interest in ever bidding the Gulfstream. Again you prove how little you know about what this group wants.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Of course, management told Okatie six months ago that the "5 year plan" had Okatie remaining open..and we know how that turned out. Buyer beware.

You got to see the 5 year plan??:laugh:

 

[Jack Campbell]

In 5 years from now, we can all look back and know what the 5 year plan was!

 

[Jack Mehoff]

And hopefully in 5 years Sokol will be a distant memory.

 

[Pervis]

Perv, we get CBA plus overrides OR NJI pay (whichever is higher). Not NJI pay PLUS overrides. They will keep track of the after midnight, before 8 am, yada, yada. But cba plus overrides won't exceed my cap for at least four years. Hence, pay cut.QUOTE]

No point in arguing based upon opinion. According to both management and NJASAP, you will not see a pay cut.

Per LOA 01-013-"Crewmembers employed by NJI will not suffer a reduction in pay as a result of the recognition of NJA and NJI as a single transportation system."

Unlike the empty promises you guys were told over the years, this is part of the contract. If you indeed lose money, the union will follow the grievance process. There is no room for creative interpretation in this situation. Nor does it mean you'll make the same only if you work more. This simple sentence guarantees you status quo.

You'll be suprised how well the contract maintains our QOL. Have faith.

 

[OPECJet]

I haven't dug very deep, but from the surface it looks like the only difference an NJI pilots would see is paying union dues and having representation. If this is too much to handle, 495 of us will gladly return to work. Don't forget, in that 495, some are NJI natives.

 

[Dassault]

I've done the math. This little Brady Bunch moment will cost me about 80 grand. I was willing to let it go until turds like Raj start demanding I pay BACK dues.

Why don't you come back here and post your income for the 12 months prior to integration, then the 12 months after integration. The numbers you throw out are ridiculous.

 

[Dassault]

The pilot group prior to 2005 wanted to make sure that NJI was not taking work from NJA pilots with the Gulfsteam side. That does not mean that we wanted to merge and become 1 pilot group. I have never flown with a single pilot that wanted to merge the 2 pilot groups or seniority lists or even cared anything about it.

Who have you been flying with? The vast majority (let alone your ridiculous "not one") of pilots I have flown with have always wanted us to be one company on one certificate. Been here 15 years, I am thinking you might be less.

 

[netjetwife]

As you guys have noticed, Raj does have some ridiculous notions.

Along with dues the membership gets to vote in elections. That renders the concept of back dues rather impossible...:erm: What would NJASAP give the NJI pilots in exchange...

We can't go back so it's time to move forward as one team. The only fair, feasible answer is to integrate both pilotgroups with the least disruption possible and an eye toward eventual equality. Focusing on common ground will better serve everyone involved and I do believe the majority of the pilots in both groups agree with that concept.

 

[rajflyboy]

As you guys have noticed, Raj does have some ridiculous notions.

Along with dues the membership gets to vote in elections. That renders the concept of back dues rather impossible...:erm: What would NJASAP give the NJI pilots in exchange...

We can't go back so it's time to move forward as one team. The only fair, feasible answer is to integrate both pilotgroups with the least disruption possible and an eye toward eventual equality. Focusing on common ground will better serve everyone involved and I do believe the majority of the pilots in both groups agree with that concept.

Laughable

 

[DAS at 10/250]

Christ. Would you give it up already? First time I've had to add a name to my ignore list here. I can even handle B19. At least he is good entertainment. You are just flat out annoying and obnoxious. And yes, I am one of the furloughed guys.

+1

Dude, please tell me how to use the ignore list. I need my first entry as well.

 

[rajflyboy]

As you guys have noticed, Raj does have some ridiculous notions.

Along with dues the membership gets to vote in elections. That renders the concept of back dues rather impossible...:erm: What would NJASAP give the NJI pilots in exchange...

We can't go back so it's time to move forward as one team. The only fair, feasible answer is to integrate both pilotgroups with the least disruption possible and an eye toward eventual equality. Focusing on common ground will better serve everyone involved and I do believe the majority of the pilots in both groups agree with that concept.

Its this Elitist attitude that most are really getting mad about. I think we have been on this rodeo at least once before.

 

[Helmsalee]

Ignore list.
At the top of the page, click on User CP (control panel).
In the list on the left, click on Edit Ignore List.
Put the name in the box and save.
Easy.
I only have 2, but it looks like that may have to change.

 

[netjetwife]

Rajflyboy, I disagree about an "elitist" attitude among the hardworking cadre of volunteers and leaders in NJASAP. But one can spot some of that attitude in your chosen name...raj also Raj (räj) n. Dominion or rule, :erm:

Helm, selective reading makes good use of one's time.

Speaking of time....the NJA pilots are nearing the deadline for voting in the EBoard election. Today and tomorrow are the last full days with limited morning time on the 16th when the vote ends. I highly encourage those eligible to participate. Choosing your leadership is the ideal time for members of the "silent majority" to speak up loudly.

 

[CRJFlyer]

Are you really a wife or just posing as one? I'm honestly astonished at the fact that you feel the need to put forth so much effort to push "your husbands" thoughts and ideas...If in fact you are who you say you are.....I'm starting to have my doubts.

Do you sit by the "Batphone" and listen to your husbands super secret conversations? Is the phone red like Obama's? Is this what the two of you discuss all day? Do you have children. Is your husband one of "those pilots" who whole life revolves around his job? Do you two have any other hobbies? Have you ever been to Kansas?

No, seriously I'm literally astonished by your interest....Well not really, just kinda sick of your crap over and over. We get it. Your husband is in the union (I have no idea who he is). Everything he says you repeat here. The both of you are in love with NJA/NJASAP/the job etc...

Most of us, however, have spit out the Koolaid for fear of choking. And most of us are up one day, down the next about how we feel about current leadership at NJASAP. (Thank you NJASAP MSG Board access guys) (gee didn't most of us warn that there would be a ******************** storm over the msg. board access decision)

Wait, your BB/IPhone probably just told you "you have a new thread response".. Better get to FI.com right away..hurry hurry...

 

[jppt2000]

Are you really a wife or just posing as one? I'm honestly astonished at the fact that you feel the need to put forth so much effort to push "your husbands" thoughts and ideas...If in fact you are who you say you are.....I'm starting to have my doubts.

Do you sit by the "Batphone" and listen to your husbands super secret conversations? Is the phone red like Obama's? Is this what the two of you discuss all day? Do you have children. Is your husband one of "those pilots" who whole life revolves around his job? Do you two have any other hobbies? Have you ever been to Kansas?

No, seriously I'm literally astonished by your interest....Well not really, just kinda sick of your crap over and over. We get it. Your husband is in the union (I have no idea who he is). Everything he says you repeat here. The both of you are in love with NJA/NJASAP/the job etc...

Most of us, however, have spit out the Koolaid for fear of choking. And most of us are up one day, down the next about how we feel about current leadership at NJASAP. (Thank you NJASAP MSG Board access guys) (gee didn't most of us warn that there would be a ******************** storm over the msg. board access decision)

Wait, your BB/IPhone probably just told you "you have a new thread response".. Better get to FI.com right away..hurry hurry...

You forgot your usual hollow threat or crude post, wierdo.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

495 of us will gladly return to work. Don't forget, in that 495, some are NJI natives.

And what fleet will those natives return too?

 

[Jack Campbell]

And what fleet will those natives return too?

What fleet will their VSL seniority allow them to return to?

 

[NachoMamma]

And what fleet will those natives return too?

Who cares

 

[ozpilot]

And what fleet will those natives return too?

Good question Wolf. I don't know. Good to see you back on the boards.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

Ignore list.
At the top of the page, click on User CP (control panel).
In the list on the left, click on Edit Ignore List.
Put the name in the box and save.
Easy.
I only have 2, but it looks like that may have to change.

Thanks.