Rip nji

[jppt2000]

I'm very glad you are not an elected official because you obviously do not understand what this Pilot Group wants and needs at this time.

I guarantee you we have more than 50 percent of our pilots that believe in back dues for date of hire. Thats what this pilot group wants. Does that matter to you?

LMAO!:laugh::laugh:
I love the way you make up statisitics you can't even begin to prove.:laugh::laugh:
That LOA ship left port a few years ago and is already at the pier.
There's really nothing you, you're mythical (over 50 per cent, ) or I can change about the LOA, sorry.
Why get so worked up about something that's already been agreed upon by folks with much more knowledge and responsibility than us?
Isn't our scope protection a bit stronger with NJI/NJA?
It was recently brought up in another thread that if RTS fought the NJA pilot union in court, about single carrier status, he probably would have prevailed.
PS, I hope you're not a union official either.:erm:

 

[Willy21]

There isn't a day at work where I don't think about the guys on furlough. I know I'm not alone in that.

You are not the only one. Everybody I have flown with lately is under the belief that the sooner we get everybody back the better.

I only have one vote, but if it comes down to it, I will vote no to anything that compromises anybody's recall rights.

 

[netjetwife]

Willy21, I'm very relieved to hear that. Not your report...that comes as no surprise...

I'm glad to hear that you're still on the line. I have wondered about you and your family and had meant to PM and ask...:0

Good post! Thanks for sharing!
NJW

 

[rajflyboy]

LMAO!:laugh::laugh:
I love the way you make up statisitics you can't even begin to prove.:laugh::laugh:
That LOA ship left port a few years ago and is already at the pier.
There's really nothing you, you're mythical (over 50 per cent, ) or I can change about the LOA, sorry.
Why get so worked up about something that's already been agreed upon by folks with much more knowledge and responsibility than us?
Isn't our scope protection a bit stronger with NJI/NJA?
It was recently brought up in another thread that if RTS fought the NJA pilot union in court, about single carrier status, he probably would have prevailed.
PS, I hope you're not a union official either.:erm:

Well

Lets take a vote then. I bet the number would actually be closer to 75%. You willing to put some money where your mouth is?

 

[netjetwife]

This has been my fear. Aside from the fact that the NJ pilotgroup has a tradition of standing up for their FOs, I doubt the scenario posed by Jack would even make it into a TA because it may very well be a violation of DFR. Furthermore, the few pilots who negotiate for NJASAP have already demonstrated a willingness to defend the principals of a Union and what you suggest is counter to those ideals. ... If I were the company, why would I want to bring back furloughed folks at year 5+ pay when I can just hire new pilots for a fraction of the cost. Indefinite recall is common in aviation; refusing to do right by those you furloughed would be bad PR for an aviation Company trying to build client loyalty and for a top level Berkshire Hathaway executive who has made integrity part of his platform. A CEO smart enough to be in the running for WB's position is definitely smart enough to avoid the undesired consequences that typically follow low morale. DS has said we are not family. He was also quick to assure the pilots that he would honor their contract, which he has done. Continuing to do so is good business-- motivated pilots are more productive. Those returning such loyalty would gladly go the extra mile--over and over. I can see the company saying "ok, we bring back 300+ guys at 5 year pay... hmm.. Thats $$$ more per year then hiring new blood. Multiply that by XXX years and it is cheaper to pay off the current seniority list. " The same list of pilots who have already proven that they value solidarity, believe in indefinite recall rights, and would want to have it in their next contract for their own protection? :erm: I don't see it happening. And if that was the attitude of the Company they would already have slashed the pay of the NJI pilots--at-will employees without a contract to protect them. The company will probably offer a pretty low payoff BUT give us say... our 3rd crew meal or something else kind of silly. The union (I am disgusted with our current e-board Why is that? You do realize that the vast majority of NJA pilots don't share your opinion?) will bite because of the reach around they have going on, Can you please explain exactly what you mean by that and offer factual examples? the pilots will be pilots and the furloughed folks will get f'ed..

I hope I am dead wrong... The unlimited recall rights are only good until the next contract... IF I am wrong, I will come on here and apologize Why wait until then? You have already insulted your fellow NJ pilots... They are fully capable of negotiating a fair contract based on their skills and contribution to the Company. ....

Going by the track record of the NJ pilots and their negotiators you are very wrong. Not only is there no evidence to support your accusation, (remember this is the pilotgroup that supported the VMs) but IF ---huge IF-- the insulting proposition ever managed to make it into a TA (at the company's insistence), no long-term thinking pilot of integrity would vote for it because to do so would destroy their reputation as individuals and as Members of the Union that has raised the bar in the industry. I believe the NJ pilots have more character than that and are smart enough to realize that showing such weakness/desperation would henceforth make them doormats, consigned to be trod upon at every future negotiation they had with the Company.

 

[jppt2000]

Well

Lets take a vote then. I bet the number would actually be closer to 75%. You willing to put some money where your mouth is?

Oh yeah, great idea!. I'll take that bet!
Please present your "official" FI poll results to the
E Board.
Tell the union president you're the recently elected Flightinfo bargaining unit.
Although you can't prove a thing, use your statistics, I'm willing to bet your data will dazzle them.
Maybe you could conjure up a contract altering potion.
What form of betting money is used in internet fantasyland these days?

 

[netjetwife]

Jppt, with Raj's assertive posting style, I'm quite certain his reputation for unorthodox methods has already preceded him.

My educated guess is that the EBoard is too savvy to be dazzled by him... especially the female member. Call it women's intuition, but I think Raj's style is a bit too much "in your face" even for AV.

 

[fly4funcrj]

Disregard..

 

[netjetwife]

Disregard..

Why.... I had just finished reading the email notice of your post and was fairly certain you'd find some interest in my response. Are you sure you want to skip the apology and thanks I had all ready? I was also going to congratulate you on providing an excellent example in your post. Lastly, I was going to direct you to a previous post I had made that you seemed to have missed where I stated very clearly that no one is perfect and you can find mistakes but it's the overall result and the intent that matter most, IMO.

 

[HazMat]

Why.... I had just finished reading the email notice of your post and was fairly certain you'd find some interest in my response. Are you sure you want to skip the apology and thanks I had all ready? I was also going to congratulate you on providing an excellent example in your post. Lastly, I was going to direct you to a previous post I had made that you seemed to have missed where I stated very clearly that no one is perfect and you can find mistakes but it's the overall result and the intent that matter most, IMO.

You are becoming to much to stomach. You may be the most self rightous person on the planet. I trully hope this is some Internet persona you have created to support unions and that you are not like this in real life. i can tell you that you have become the poster child for not having a union.

 

[netjetwife]

Fly had taken the time to type out a post with my name on the top and then decided to delete it. I was confused about that and was inviting him to re-post by letting him know that I had already read it and had an answer ready. If my post appears cryptic, it is because I was trying to respect his privacy. Thus a balancing act.

That said, though it was a semi-private matter, what is your problem with that....

 

[HazMat]

My problem is you portray yourself as the person with all the answers. You butt into every thread and act like you know what goes on at every company. Like i said you are self righteous and too much for most of us to stomach. With that said i actually think you believe everything you post and as such i feel bad for you. Those who are unwilling to listen and see things thru the others eyes will never become better people. You have your response ready before you even finish reading the post you are responding to and your thoughts are so skewed yet you think they apply to all employment situations. Thats my problem

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Please NJA Wife. NJASAP is only looking out for the F-ing top percent of the group. They're going to sell us furloughed out for a 5th crew meal and a GV slot. NJASAP and management have made it clear that us furloughs are gone. There are all to many pilots willing to vote on a cut away for the furloughs as well if they can get some extra cash such as P.W.

Obviously you have no faith in your fellow pilots ....

..your screen name suits you well, Jack.

That was probably one of the most obtuse and ignorant posts I have seen in a while, including B19's diatribes.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Obviously you have no faith in your fellow pilots ....

..your screen name suits you well, Jack.

That was probably one of the most obtuse and ignorant posts I have seen in a while, including B19's diatribes.

I guess I saw too many "5%er's" promoting extended days and one particular pilot who was "opting in" but would opt out every holiday and opt back in the day after. He said to me "I want people to see that I'm helping out with the VMs but I want the extra money. I don't care if there are furloughs because I'm too senior to be affected."

That's always a great week on the road with a tool like that. I guarentee they'd vote to cut loose the furloughs for a PBJ sandwich.

 

[jppt2000]

I guess I saw too many "5%er's" promoting extended days and one particular pilot who was "opting in" but would opt out every holiday and opt back in the day after. He said to me "I want people to see that I'm helping out with the VMs but I want the extra money. I don't care if there are furloughs because I'm too senior to be affected."

That's always a great week on the road with a tool like that. I guarentee they'd vote to cut loose the furloughs for a PBJ sandwich.

Another, "I flew with a guy who said, blah,blah,blah I'm greedy, I'm selfish, blah blah blah."
The alleged actions of one person can be extrapolated to represent a segment of the group.
I flew with someone that said we had someone that was a chronic helmet polisher.
Another LARP character finding a niche on FI.
Use a magic missle or Lightning bolt internet tough guy.

 

[RNObased]

That's always a great week on the road with a tool like that. I guarentee they'd vote to cut loose the furloughs for a PBJ sandwich.

Horse crap. You are honestly setting new levels for stupid posts.

Now go back to ranting and raving as to how the senior guys screwed you over and how everyone is out to get you. Also don't forget that we all don't like you and have already sold you down the river and are now spending that cash on booze and women. Just make sure that when you are doing this you have your tin foil hat on, that way no one can read your mind and steal your thoughts.

 

[jppt2000]

Horse crap. You are honestly setting new levels for stupid posts.

Now go back to ranting and raving as to how the senior guys screwed you over and how everyone is out to get you. Also don't forget that we all don't like you and have already sold you down the river and are now spending that cash on booze and women. Just make sure that when you are doing this you have your tin foil hat on, that way no one can read your mind and steal your thoughts.

Or, he could go back to ham slamming, and or monkey spanking as his name implies.
Many, many posers Netjets hatin.
I guess it is human nature to believe something FALSE and or rumor filled rather than believe the facts, oh well.

 

[gret]

...and what exactly are the facts?

 

[OPECJet]

Who has time for the facts?

The facts will vary according to who you are. As I see it, the facts are the union took away our main message board access. I believe that influences the viewpoints of a lot of us. I still think you have to look at the overall picture. When I have needed union assistance I have gotten it in the same timely fashion as before the furlough.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

I guess I saw too many "5%er's" promoting extended days and one particular pilot who was "opting in" but would opt out every holiday and opt back in the day after. He said to me "I want people to see that I'm helping out with the VMs but I want the extra money. I don't care if there are furloughs because I'm too senior to be affected."

That's always a great week on the road with a tool like that. I guarentee they'd vote to cut loose the furloughs for a PBJ sandwich.

Really, Jack? Your going to base your faith on one Merde who looked out for numero uno? You are very shortsighted, Brother. This group bent over backwards in a very unique and awe inspiring way to keep everyone on this payroll for at least a year, and in every crewroom and cockpit I am in during a tour, there is always conversations going on starting with " When we get those 495 back....." or, "when they return...." or something similar to that. Every tour, I hear that at least once.
As in any group, there will be the 3% who are the sphincters, and congratulations, you got to fly with one of 'em. Do me, and every other brother and sister and volunteer who keep you in our minds, don't put us in the same breath as the sphincters. Its an insult to us, and an insult to who you are.

 

[Helmsalee]

Don't forget we have our 3% in the 495 as well. And Jack is my nominee. Bet he was a joy to fly with.

 

[OPECJet]

Good point, H.

 

[av8trinabarrel]

Coming from one of the lucky 495, I have a funny story about Sokol that might lighten the mood for everyone. I have my 4 year old nephew staying at our house while his parents are enjoying a wonderful tropical vacation. The other night we were saying prayers before bed and before we finished he looked at me and asked if I had a special message for god. I said a prayer and finished by wishing if "god could take away a fellow named Sokol and send him back to his energy company where he belongs. His mission was complete and it was time for him to take his act on down the road". For the last few nights my nephew has finished his own prayers by wishing that Sokol take his act on down the road....I almost fell over laughing the first night I heard that and after hearing it again last night, It is now my own personal anthem before I go to bed. In my own happy world before I go to bed I am praying that Sokol leaves before he completely runs the NJ brand through the gutter

If any of our fellow NJ'ers have kids, I suggest the same prayer before bed. I have never slept so good as I have the last few nights.

 

[netjetwife]

Hi guys! Helm, HSF, and RNO, it's nice to see you guys posting. Good points! Just one question, RNO. Are you sure anyone would want to steal Jack's thoughts...

Haz, your complaint about my respone to a post which had been addressed to me is off-base. I had read the entire post. I chose the FI option of accepting an emailed copy of posts for a thread I'm on. And your gripe about "butting in" (which is common here) sounds rather hypocritical considering how vocal you've been about NJ issues on this NJ thread... Nonetheless I've politely responded to you in recognition of your right to post. As to the rest of your subjective opinion...with that viewpoint, you may find your reading time here more enjoyable if you place me on your ignore list. I think it would also be more pleasant for others if you just skipped my posts instead of complaining so often that I civilly exercise my right to free speech.

Av8, fun story...little kids can be so cute! Best wishes to you and your family! Hang in there! NJW

 

[netjetwife]

If anyone's interested in trying it, the email option I mentioned works like this:


Dear netjetwife,

fly4funcrj has just replied to a thread you have subscribed to entitled - Rip nji - in the Fractionals forum of Flightinfo.com Hangar.

This thread is located at:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=133438&goto=newpost

Here is the message that has just been posted:
***************
NJW,

(I've deleted the post here in accordance with your wishes, Fly. But I'll save it in my inbox for a few days just in case you change your mind. I figured I could save you the time of re-writing it if you do.)

 

[OPECJet]

Coming from one of the lucky 495, I have a funny story about Sokol that might lighten the mood for everyone. I have my 4 year old nephew staying at our house while his parents are enjoying a wonderful tropical vacation. The other night we were saying prayers before bed and before we finished he looked at me and asked if I had a special message for god. I said a prayer and finished by wishing if "god could take away a fellow named Sokol and send him back to his energy company where he belongs. His mission was complete and it was time for him to take his act on down the road". For the last few nights my nephew has finished his own prayers by wishing that Sokol take his act on down the road....I almost fell over laughing the first night I heard that and after hearing it again last night, It is now my own personal anthem before I go to bed. In my own happy world before I go to bed I am praying that Sokol leaves before he completely runs the NJ brand through the gutter

If any of our fellow NJ'ers have kids, I suggest the same prayer before bed. I have never slept so good as I have the last few nights.

That's hilarious!

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

2) See the unwarranted insults and groundless accusations above. Some NJ pilots are concerned that they will be subjected to this type of behavior from bitter furloughees taking their stress and/or anger out on the very pilots who made NJA the flying career that attracted them in the first place. I did not want to believe that would happen, but this thread has been an eye-opener. If it can happen to such a staunch supporter of the NJ FOs, like myself, then it would very likely happen in the NJASAP Crew Room.

That is not a reason to keep us off of the NJASAP boards. Trust me, there were plenty of insults and groundless accusations on that board well before the furlough was even talked about, and I'm sure that hasn't changed.

Let's quit beating around the bush and making this the excuse for kicking us off the board. The real reason was so that we could be out of sight and out of mind from the main pilot group, without the ability to know what was REALLY going on in regards to overtime, extended days, etc.

What was happening to us was already bad enough. We deserved to be able to talk about our frustrations with fellow pilots (furloughed or not) and remain part of the "family" (cough:bull$hit).

The TOS would have taken care of anyone that violated said TOS, furloughed or not. There was and still is NO excuse for keeping us off.

 

[RP170]

That is not a reason to keep us off of the NJASAP boards. Trust me, there were plenty of insults and groundless accusations on that board well before the furlough was even talked about, and I'm sure that hasn't changed.

Let's quit beating around the bush and making this the excuse for kicking us off the board. The real reason was so that we could be out of sight and out of mind from the main pilot group, without the ability to know what was REALLY going on in regards to overtime, extended days, etc.

What was happening to us was already bad enough. We deserved to be able to talk about our frustrations with fellow pilots (furloughed or not) and remain part of the "family" (cough:bull$hit).

The TOS would have taken care of anyone that violated said TOS, furloughed or not. There was and still is NO excuse for keeping us off.

Excellent post.

 

[CRJFlyer]

her husband still needs a blowjob.........

 

[LAZYB]

That is not a reason to keep us off of the NJASAP boards. Trust me, there were plenty of insults and groundless accusations on that board well before the furlough was even talked about, and I'm sure that hasn't changed.

Let's quit beating around the bush and making this the excuse for kicking us off the board. The real reason was so that we could be out of sight and out of mind from the main pilot group, without the ability to know what was REALLY going on in regards to overtime, extended days, etc.

What was happening to us was already bad enough. We deserved to be able to talk about our frustrations with fellow pilots (furloughed or not) and remain part of the "family" (cough:bull$hit).

The TOS would have taken care of anyone that violated said TOS, furloughed or not. There was and still is NO excuse for keeping us off.

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