Rip nji

[rajflyboy]

RAJ, the LOA is a done deal. Just like the CBA, you may not like everything in it, but it is what it is. The fact that you don't like it is irrelevant. Throwing out things like back dues to some previous date makes you look ridiculous. Their dues will start on the date they are represented by NJASAP, which I think makes sense. And, even if you think it doesn't, you cannot change it. All you are doing is spreading ill will and irritating people. I am not a big fan of jppt, but I guess, this time, I am part of his support.

Obviously you don't get it. Whatever is in the LOA is NOT I repeat. NOT what this pilot group wants.

You don't appear to care about that. You will care at some point down the road. This hatred towards pilots is getting old.

I think you have been representing NJI for a long time now and they haven't paid any dues yet. Trust me the rest of us realize this. Go back to your very unsecure corner and regroup.

I'm done talking to very self centered people like you.

 

[jppt2000]

Obviously you don't get it. Whatever is in the LOA is NOT I repeat. NOT what this pilot group wants.

You don't appear to care about that. You will care at some point down the road. This hatred towards pilots is getting old.

I think you have been representing NJI for a long time now and they haven't paid any dues yet. Trust me the rest of us realize this. Go back to your very unsecure corner and regroup.

I'm done talking to very self centered people like you.

From the Stones:

You can't always get what you want (RAJ disregard and trash the LOA):bawling:
You can't always get what you want (RAJ wants back dues):bawling:
You can't always get what you want (RAJ wants stapler):bawling:
But if you try sometimes you might find
You get what you need (negotiated integration, scope protection, unified pilot group, RAJ returns to his village and is reinstated as chief idiot)

Oh yeah, hey hey hey, oh...

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Explain to me why an NJA pilot with better seniority cannot bid the G5 over an NJI guy? Explain that hoss?

Well Little Joe... Because the f*cking LOA says so... ??? I'm just guessing here.

Also explain why NJI shouldn't have to pay due's ??

Because I was never represented nor protected under the Pilot Unions CBA.

Show us FACTUAL data

...

 

[Helmsalee]

Quoted from RAJ
"Obviously you don't get it. Whatever is in the LOA is NOT I repeat. NOT what this pilot group wants.

You don't appear to care about that. You will care at some point down the road. This hatred towards pilots is getting old.

I think you have been representing NJI for a long time now and they haven't paid any dues yet. Trust me the rest of us realize this. Go back to your very unsecure corner and regroup.

I'm done talking to very self centered people like you."

RAJ,
Man, you are really out to lunch. Do you even read the posts before you answer?

1. Even if you were right (and I think you are not), it would not matter if everbody did not like the LOA. It is a legal FACT and you cannot change it. Wants have nothing to do with it.

2. Hatred toward pilots?? Supporting NJI for a long time?? I am a furloughed NJA pilot. Why would I hate pilots and why would I support NJI?

3. I hope you will be true to your word and not respond to this. Somehow I doubt it.

Helm

 

[netjetwife]

Helm, good luck with the patient explanation. Jppt, I agree with the points you have made.

Both of you are correct that the NJA pilotgroup has already spoken on the issue of integration. Those grounded in the reality of legal fact will recall that the integration procedures were outlined for all to debate during IBB and were subsequently approved by a wide margin in 2007. It's a completely reasonable assumption that those same pilots are now ready to move forward and follow the LOA with professionalism and the same long-range vision they displayed when they voted to make it part of their contract.

Again, by a wide margin, the NJA pilots recently showed faith in their leadership's direction. It must be noted that a pilot who has spent countless hours working on the integration team will be joining the EBoard next month. He will be an excellent addition and he already has lots of practice looking at the issues from both sides. All of the NJ pilots can follow his lead with confidence.

 

[gret]

Quoted from RAJ

3. I hope you will be true to your word and not respond to this. Somehow I doubt it.

Helm

RAJ, let me handle this one!

OK...whatever you said is right because most of us don't have a clue as to what the point is!

Now, what do you think about this?

NetJets has shelved plans for a $200 million operations and training campus in Columbus, Ohio, and is instead going forward with a more modest $21 million expansion to its existing complex at Port Columbus Regional Airport. It will build a new 140,000-sq-ft facility that will be connected to NetJets’ existing Bridgeway Avenue facility to help implement plans to consolidate its headquarters and operations in Columbus. About 1,300 employees will eventually work at the combined grounds, which will also allow room for “significant” expansion. “As part of our response to the recent recession and its effect on NetJets’ business operations, we concluded last fall that this was an appropriate time to consolidate our corporate and operations headquarters in Columbus,” NetJets chairman and CEO David Sokol told AIN. “As such, we have closed five offices outside Ohio and relocated all of their related functions to Columbus, including the office of the CEO, operations, general counsel, sales, marketing and aircraft purchasing.” He added that just relocating its Easton office to the nearby Bridgeway facility will save NetJets about $900,000 per year.

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[gret]

About 1,300 employees will eventually work at the combined grounds, which will also allow room for “significant” expansion. “

1,300 people to watch over 500 a/c (and decreasing) in the US?

They never see a friggen airplane! What are they doing? Watching the weather and taking care of owner issues?

Hire more people to sell, lower the prices to the clients, and the weather will take care of itself with competent pilots.

 

[gunfyter]

Perhaps 1300 includes the CMH based pilots....

 

[ozpilot]

.Well Little Joe... Because the f*cking LOA says so... ??? I'm just guessing here.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[rajflyboy]

Helm, good luck with the patient explanation. Jppt, I agree with the points you have made.

Both of you are correct that the NJA pilotgroup has already spoken on the issue of integration. Those grounded in the reality of legal fact will recall that the integration procedures were outlined for all to debate during IBB and were subsequently approved by a wide margin in 2007. It's a completely reasonable assumption that those same pilots are now ready to move forward and follow the LOA with professionalism and the same long-range vision they displayed when they voted to make it part of their contract.

Again, by a wide margin, the NJA pilots recently showed faith in their leadership's direction. It must be noted that a pilot who has spent countless hours working on the integration team will be joining the EBoard next month. He will be an excellent addition and he already has lots of practice looking at the issues from both sides. All of the NJ pilots can follow his lead with confidence.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

41 percent didn't even vote


A few people wrote the LOA. The majority of the pilots had no say in what went into the LOA (thats where your logic with read the LOA is flawed).

The future will be interesting. Unfortunately it probably wont be good!

 

[rajflyboy]

RAJ, let me handle this one!

OK...whatever you said is right because most of us don't have a clue as to what the point is!

Now, what do you think about this?

NetJets has shelved plans for a $200 million operations and training campus in Columbus, Ohio, and is instead going forward with a more modest $21 million expansion to its existing complex at Port Columbus Regional Airport. It will build a new 140,000-sq-ft facility that will be connected to NetJets’ existing Bridgeway Avenue facility to help implement plans to consolidate its headquarters and operations in Columbus. About 1,300 employees will eventually work at the combined grounds, which will also allow room for “significant” expansion. “As part of our response to the recent recession and its effect on NetJets’ business operations, we concluded last fall that this was an appropriate time to consolidate our corporate and operations headquarters in Columbus,” NetJets chairman and CEO David Sokol told AIN. “As such, we have closed five offices outside Ohio and relocated all of their related functions to Columbus, including the office of the CEO, operations, general counsel, sales, marketing and aircraft purchasing.” He added that just relocating its Easton office to the nearby Bridgeway facility will save NetJets about $900,000 per year.

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You are confusing duties and responsibilities of the COMPANY with the duties and responsibilities of the UNION

Company's job is to make money. Unions job is to represent pilots.

 

[rajflyboy]

A month or two ago a comment was made

"Regular Line Pilots should not be Union Stewards"

That Elitist statement says it all right there and may very well dictate our futures.

 

[old*art]

Given the speed with which the company wants to consolidate, it seems single carrier would have been solved by the company on its own. Looks NJI was lucky to have an LOA, the terms of which the union is watching very carefully for compliance by the company.

 

[netjetwife]

Several points to keep in mind....

The NJA pilots demonstrated their approval of the negotiated integration process in an overwhelming vote in favor of the IBB package which included the much-discussed LOA. Had they disliked it as much as Raj tries to claim, it wouldn't have passed. A handful of people negotiated it--true--just like every other CBA issue. But it was executed only because the pilotgroup gave it their approval.

Old, I agree that the NJI pilots were lucky the LOA was in place and that the integration process had already been started when cost-cutting measures began. It is quite possible that the LOA and/or the NJASAP umbrella saved them from the cut backs faced by non-unionized employees.

Raj, actually.... I think that it was a regular line pilot who voiced his opinion that only those who demonstrate an exceptional knowledge of the CBA should be Stewards. There's nothing elitist about putting your Volunteers to work for the pilotgroup in the area they're best suited for. There's a ton of work involved in running NJASAP and many pilots who contribute time and expertise quietly in the background. Kudos to them all!

Voting vs not voting amonng the NJA pilots is something of a glass half empty/half full discussion. I see it as half full because their voting record is better than that of the general populace in national/state elections and consistent, if not better, than other Unions. The bottom line is that the majority did vote and decided to continue under the direction of the same NJASAP president that was instrumental in bringing them the 2005 contract; the IBB package; integration; and the Preventive Measures program that kept NJ pilots employed a year longer before their ultimate furlough. It appears to me that the majority of NJA pilots recognize that the EBoard has been working very hard on their behalf. As one who follows NJASAP issues very closely, I am in complete agreement with their public assessment.

Enjoy the holiday weekend if you're off, guys. Have fun celebrating later if you're out flying. NJW

 

[rajflyboy]

Happy 4th of July everyone! Enjoy a great weekend!!

 

[fischman]

A month or two ago a comment was made

"Regular Line Pilots should not be Union Stewards"

That Elitist statement says it all right there and may very well dictate our futures.

Yup. I said that, and stand by my statement. It takes a special kind of person to be an effective Steward for NJASAP.

 

[Pervis]

The bottom line is that the majority did vote and decided to continue under the direction of the same NJASAP president that was instrumental in bringing them the 2005 contract; the IBB package; integration; and the Preventive Measures program that kept NJ pilots employed a year longer before their ultimate furlough. It appears to me that the majority of NJA pilots recognize that the EBoard has been working very hard on their behalf. As one who follows NJASAP issues very closely, I am in complete agreement with their public assessment.

About 1300 out of nearly 2300 eligible voters cast ballots. Votes for Mr. Luthi totalled 828, or 36% of eligible voting members. More than half voted, but last time I checked 36% is well below a majority count. No doubt some are happy with the current state of affairs, but 44% didn't even bother to vote. Could be they just don't care, or maybe they didn't care for any of the candidates. And don't say more should have stepped up. Anytime a newbie appears, they are shot down as not having enough experience, or more accurately, are not part of the click this group has become. As involved in the union as you and your family are, I would hope you would avoid the spin tactics prevalent in politics these days. Listen to those outside your circle of supporters for a change. You'd be suprised how a lot of members feel right about now.

 

[CRJFlyer]

and the Preventive Measures program that kept NJ pilots employed a year longer before their ultimate furlough. It appears to me that the majority of NJA pilots recognize that the EBoard has been working very hard on their behalf. As one who follows NJASAP issues very closely, I am in complete agreement with their public assessment.

I'm sorry but I don't look at is "having the priviledge of KEEPING my job for a year longer...

I see it as receiving a sense of false hope for an extra year. Since your neither a pilot, nor was your husband furloughed, it is something you simply would not understand in regards to NJA.

If it would have been known last May that.."hey guys you will be furloughed in January, but we can keep you employed until then so start applying to other jobs, get your financials in order, sell the house if needed, start working your contacts etc..."

Instead we were in a heightened state of limbo for a long long time, unable to accept any other crappy employment if needed, unable to sell our homes because there was a chance we wouldn't need to, we couldn't commit to anything because NJA couldn't decide what to do. Granted we had a few options, take an LOA (if you had the resources to take a long term huge paycut on the chance you wouldn't have ever been furloughed)...

Personally I would rather have known a year ago that I'd be furloughed in 6,9,or 12 months. And could have taken my current job much sooner if possible, instead of taking it under duress and uprooting my family on very short notice. And even though I found a fun job that pays more than NJA, I still had to move my family away from home and away form the grandparents, aunt's, great grandma's etc... Time that my family will never get back from my 18 month old.. For that I will remain forever bitter at the whole company.

 

[LAZYB]

Uhhh

We're not family.
~ David S

 

[CRJFlyer]

If I saw DS now I'd smack him upside his bald head along with his ugly wife....... No offesne to those who are bald or have ugly wives......