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About as accurate and informed as the 411 leaves us every week. This week they stated that they met with a Marquis rep to discuss how to get the 495 back in NJA cockpits faster. Surprisingly and sadly, they couldn't unveil any details of that discussion to us. Someone might divulge all that top secret info! God forbid we may actually receive some info of what to expect in our future. Some things never change.

I still have my doubts as to whether there is a viable long term plan being developed. Where are all those Embraer aircraft orders at? The announcement of Wi-Fi happened only because everyone else is doing it. And NJA was way behind the competition in announcing that. Sokol needs to leave and go run his energy company. Bring in a real leader and not a bean counter.

No one knows when recalls will begin. IMHO, I don't think we'll see any until we reach contractual sell-off limits. OT and after midnights are, in the bean counter's eyes, cheaper than salaries and benefits. That said, I am on day 7 and have one pax leg before my airline home. That will total over 35 hrs block and 80 hrs duty with one fatigue call and zero OT this tour. And this is the slow season?

WiFi just recently became available to corporate jets. Until about 2 yrs ago, the antenae weighed 150 lbs. While we are behind the retro curve, we had other fish to fry until recently-like keeping the doors open. Now we are back to a position allowing new equipment and upgrades to existing stuff.

As far as Embraer, they were on site in CMH a few weeks ago. There are only two jets that would fill our needs to replace the multiple small cabins we are disposing of, and most likely Embraer will be the one, but how quick do you think we can pen the deal, arrange deliveries, then announce the schedule? And who the hell are we as simple pilots to be privy to inside info, especially when so much is shared in such private forums, like FI?

Some sound like that JG Wentworth commercial-".....and I want it now". Well, patience may be a lost art, but impatience will do nothing but raise your BP and waste your time. It won't change what is or what will be.
 
About as accurate and informed as the 411 leaves us every week. This week they stated that they met with a Marquis rep to discuss how to get the 495 back in NJA cockpits faster. Surprisingly and sadly, they couldn't unveil any details of that discussion to us. Someone might divulge all that top secret info! God forbid we may actually receive some info of what to expect in our future. Some things never change.

I still have my doubts as to whether there is a viable long term plan being developed. Where are all those Embraer aircraft orders at? The announcement of Wi-Fi happened only because everyone else is doing it. And NJA was way behind the competition in announcing that. Sokol needs to leave and go run his energy company. Bring in a real leader and not a bean counter.

To each their own Sir.
 
As a guy I flew with when I first started said "Some things we just don't get to decide. The sooner you learn to accept that, the happier you will be."
 
Some sound like that JG Wentworth commercial-".....and I want it now". Well, patience may be a lost art, but impatience will do nothing but raise your BP and waste your time. It won't change what is or what will be.

I apologize that my patience is wearing thin. It's not fun trying to find decent employment in this job market.
 
And we are supposed to do WHAT to help you 170?

Please tell us.

I just hope you find your happy place cause your gonna need something to get you through this period.
 
always like how those more fortunate have such inspring words of encouragement for those less fortunate.......

Don't recall 170 asking for help from you (Flylow) It appears he (as well as most of us) would enjoy getting a bit more info than just :

"we talked with Marquis, it went well for the whole day...There, we mentioned the furloughees, met our quota, time to move on to the next 411"...

Instead a bunch of more fortunate pilots tell us to man up, quit compalining, it is what it is.....

To that i say I'll complain bitch and moan as much as I please. And if I ever get back I'll do the same.
 
always like how those more fortunate have such inspring words of encouragement for those less fortunate.......

Don't recall 170 asking for help from you (Flylow) It appears he (as well as most of us) would enjoy getting a bit more info than just :

"we talked with Marquis, it went well for the whole day...There, we mentioned the furloughees, met our quota, time to move on to the next 411"...

Instead a bunch of more fortunate pilots tell us to man up, quit compalining, it is what it is.....

To that i say I'll complain bitch and moan as much as I please. And if I ever get back I'll do the same.


You and 170 keep running around with your elephant underwear on. I can't help but think you need a vent, a shoulder... I dunno. Nobody on this web board can help you so what would you like us to do?

We are in control of nothing when it comes to your employment. I fly my trips, I do my part, I go home.

What the heck can I do man? You obviously are looking for something from us.
 
Thread Creeping Violation

Not to be a Debbie Downer...

but uh, this thread is now being cited with a Gross Navigational error. Both laterally and vertically. Please land at the nearest suitable airport and try again.
 
What the heck can I do man? You obviously are looking for something from us.

We are simply looking for more communication just as all 495 of us have from the start. The open ended and ambiguous statements in the 411's get old after awhile.
 
We are simply looking for more communication just as all 495 of us have from the start. The open ended and ambiguous statements in the 411's get old after awhile.

You are getting as much info as those of us still active. Specifics that are available are posted on NJPILOTS.ORG by a few active pilots. Anything more specific is simply not available, even to the union.
 
You and 170 keep running around with your elephant underwear on.I've heard alot of metaphors but this one takes the cake. If I only knew what you were talking about. I can't help but think you need a vent,man your bright. After all this time you've figured out what FI is for!! a shoulderNo shoulder needed thanks.... I dunno. Nobody on this web board can help you so what would you like us to do? Shut up and butt out of my venting/bitching session. Did you really think I expect you to help the situation somehow? Your a pilot, not an employment specialist. And no, you don't know everything or have all the answers. (As much as most pilots think they do).

We are in control of nothing when it comes to your employment. I fly my trips, I do my part, I go home. Really. I thought you made hiring decisions at NJA. I must have been mistaken.

What the heck can I do man? See above.You obviously are looking for something from us.Nope, I don't recall ever asking for your help. This is FI for the love of god. It is meant for 1 of 2 things. Venting/bitching, and once in a great while some actually usefull information. [/QUOTE]

Like I said if you don't like reading about myself bitching about the wonderful NJA, then put me on your ignore list or something. Won't hurt my feelings, trust me.
 
You are getting as much info as those of us still active. Specifics that are available are posted on NJPILOTS.ORG by a few active pilots. Anything more specific is simply not available, even to the union.

I realize every one is in the dark. Hence the reason why we're disgruntled. Flylow seems to take it personally. Like we expect something from him. Either his ego is that big, or he's in love with NJA that much.

and thank the decision for booting us off the main board for that. If we had access we could see for ourselves that there is nothing being leaked. Unfortunatley that decision has been made, and we are left to do nothing but speculate. It was forewarned that FI would become an avenue to air dirty laundry or just b.itch about NJA in general.

And now people here complain that we complain too much. Tough.
 
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CRJ, the site I mentioned is for all Netjets pilots-retired, furloughed, and active. Just register like you did with the message board and you're in. FWIW, many of us are against the decision to cut you guys off the main site, and also want access for the NJI pilots now, but when less than 50% of the active pilots vote, you can't expect the change in command necessary to take OUR union back. Remember that when you return.
 
We are simply looking for more communication just as all 495 of us have from the start. The open ended and ambiguous statements in the 411's get old after awhile.

Why don't you call Mark Luthi and discuss this with him?

What can I do?
 
You and 170 keep running around with your elephant underwear on.I've heard alot of metaphors but this one takes the cake. If I only knew what you were talking about. I can't help but think you need a vent,man your bright. After all this time you've figured out what FI is for!! a shoulderNo shoulder needed thanks.... I dunno. Nobody on this web board can help you so what would you like us to do? Shut up and butt out of my venting/bitching session. Did you really think I expect you to help the situation somehow? Your a pilot, not an employment specialist. And no, you don't know everything or have all the answers. (As much as most pilots think they do).

We are in control of nothing when it comes to your employment. I fly my trips, I do my part, I go home. Really. I thought you made hiring decisions at NJA. I must have been mistaken.

What the heck can I do man? See above.You obviously are looking for something from us.Nope, I don't recall ever asking for your help. This is FI for the love of god. It is meant for 1 of 2 things. Venting/bitching, and once in a great while some actually usefull information. [/QUOTE]

Like I said if you don't like reading about myself bitching about the wonderful NJA, then put me on your ignore list or something. Won't hurt my feelings, trust me.

Now that you've had another successful and productive :confused: session, what else can I do to help you?

In the absence of 482 pilots, the heat is slowly building to work us all harder. The pressure is building and will eventually give way to recalls... when responsible staffing decisions are made.

It's not easy to be on the outside and soon enough it will not be easy to be on the line working 14 hour, 5 leg shifts for 7 days in a row. Please know that it's just not a bowl of cherries from either position.

Speaking of perspective... Here's to hoping that someday you experience a good change of the one you have now. It happens with time, and usually it's a good thing.

Take care.
 
"You and 170 keep running around with your elephant underwear on.I've heard alot of metaphors but this one takes the cake. If I only knew what you were talking about."

Yeah...what the heck does this mean? I hang around a lot of saloons, but I never heard this one before.
 
Now that you've had another successful and productive :confused: session, what else can I do to help you?

In the absence of 482 pilots, the heat is slowly building to work us all harder. The pressure is building and will eventually give way to recalls... when responsible staffing decisions are made.

It's not easy to be on the outside and soon enough it will not be easy to be on the line working 14 hour, 5 leg shifts for 7 days in a row. Please know that it's just not a bowl of cherries from either position.Hope you didn't just try to compare our situation with you being overworked. That's just plain retarded....

Speaking of perspective... Here's to hoping that someday you experience a good change of the one you have now.It's already happened, but I'm still gonna b.itch about NJA. It happens with time, and usually it's a good thing. Thanks I feel much better with your words of wisdom. What would I have done all these years without realizing that? (If you care, I'm on my 5th job in 10 years, through no fault of my own.) I've figured out how to make it without NJA. ..BBBBUUUUTTTTT I'm still gonna b.itch about it!

Take care.

If you'd take the time to actually read and not see what you want to see, you'd come to realize nobody is asking for your help with anything. I don't recall asking for your help. I've managed without NJA, and this is not my first paper route when it comes to aviation jobs, furloughs, bankruptcies or being in a union.

BTW,they can only TRY to make you do 14hr,5leg,7day trips...Whether you do them or not is up to you.

OK this is where Flylow says.."what would you like me to do about it?" Because he doesn't read/comprehend anything I've just written.
 
"You and 170 keep running around with your elephant underwear on.I've heard alot of metaphors but this one takes the cake. If I only knew what you were talking about."

Yeah...what the heck does this mean? I hang around a lot of saloons, but I never heard this one before.

You don't have Elephant Underwear moments?
 

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