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The 27 won't be back even when recalls start.
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The 27 won't be back even when recalls start.
But if they do come back it will be in whatever aircraft the company needs pilots in and after a bid goes out to anyone interested in the seat. If they have the seniority to hold it, it will be theirs. I don't believe there is anything in the LOAs that says they will get their seat back, but the language may (not sure about this at all) allow them to retain the higher pay they were at before they were furloughed if it is still higher than whatever year of wages they come back to at the combined company. I have to agree with gutshot though- they will most likely not come back since it will be likely they will find something better or at least something else they don't wish to leave long before they are offered recall.
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Seeing how recalls are likely at least a decade away I think the argument is moot. Sokol is destroying the brand. Owners are leaving for the competition. The fleet is shrinking.
I wouldn't, and won't, refuse to resign my NJA seniority number for a cash paying job today.
Your mileage may vary.
I wouldn't, and won't, refuse to resign my NJA seniority number for a cash paying job today.
Your mileage may vary.
Amen to that. I'll serve mine up on a silver platter to whoever wants it. NJA is a sinking ship. It's being wound down to be sold off eventually. That's my prediction anyways.
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The winds and tide have certainly turned against the ship. The one true aspect of NetJets that gave it an edge was the BBJ/NJI programs. No one else can offer the ultra long range aircraft within the 91K or 'card program' models. The market offers many choices from single engine PC-12's to Challengers, and the NetJets core fleet of aircraft are no more special than the next. What has set NetJets apart is their global reach and expertise in this field. A P180 owner can't logistically take his airplane to Australia and back. But a C-650 owner can make one call and 'pay' to have a G550 take him.
With a new and legitimate player in this high-end field, or a reduction in the quality of service present owners receive; NetJets is up the creek without a paddle.
Don't think for a second that the G owners aren't looking at this whole FA debacle and shaking their heads. In my opinion NetJets has 12 months to get back on track, or this ship will take on water faster than Omaha can bail it out. I too think there will be a "For Sale by Owner" sign in CMH in the very near future.
IMHO,
Wolf
With a new and legitimate player in this high-end field, or a reduction in the quality of service present owners receive; NetJets is up the creek without a paddle.
Don't think for a second that the G owners aren't looking at this whole FA debacle and shaking their heads. In my opinion NetJets has 12 months to get back on track, or this ship will take on water faster than Omaha can bail it out. I too think there will be a "For Sale by Owner" sign in CMH in the very near future.
IMHO,
Wolf
You guys can always seek employment elsewhere. I'll chose to stay while we retro fit WiFi (yes, it's official) and purchase new jets after we shed some dead weight. BTW, Embraer was in CMH with two different types a week ago. Does anyone think they just showed up unannounced? Breaking news-new construction based in CMH just announced today. Not the typical move for those looking to sell.
I see the glass more than half full at this point. It will only be full when the 495 are back and we are growing again-at a more sustainable rate. Wolfpack, our owners were also very "concerned" in late 2005. Guess who they supported? It wasn't Boisture and gang.
I see the glass more than half full at this point. It will only be full when the 495 are back and we are growing again-at a more sustainable rate. Wolfpack, our owners were also very "concerned" in late 2005. Guess who they supported? It wasn't Boisture and gang.
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DAS at 10/250
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Oh I have been. Since October 2009 we I got the "your services are no longer needed" email.
I hope NJA survives. Sokol seems to have been the right man to stop the bleeding but someone else needs to come in quick, last last week, and get the CUSTOMER SERVICE aspect of this business back on track. Without 5 star+ service and amenities NetJets is just another overpriced aircraft provider.
You cannot deliver a Super 8 product at Hilton prices and expect to stay in business very long.
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That wouldn't surprise me a bit. We can't continue to be a drag on BH quarterly reports and expect to stay in the fold much longer. WB is all business. If he can sell NJA and raise his stock $3.50 he'll do it in a heartbeat.
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Look at the bright side though. At least our Union Officials didn't grant themselves four year terms with a last minute "extension" to the voting deadline.
Oh, wait...
So true
So Sad but true.
Good news is this. About 41 percent of the pilots did not vote. This happened because there was simply no one to vote for. All in house election for the most part (no real NEW blood). This group (41 percent) will be heard from when it comes time!!!
The bullpen is busy. 41 percent of our closers are starting to warm up.
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wolfpackpilot
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I wouldn't give Sokol too much credit... It wasn't that hard to see there was waste and where it was coming from...Gee do we really need a HQ in CMH, NJ, and SAV...Did we really need VP of plastic forks...
Just saying I think any number of outsiders looking in could have done the job. RTS couldn't because he was too emotionally involved in the business. It's like getting some one to proof read an essay. They always find mistakes you couldn't.
And the economy slowly heading upwards aided alot in the leveling of the business. Sokol just walked in at the right time...
JMHO
Good points you have posted here. Hopefully you guys will get hired back and hopefully the pilots on board will maintain the 2005 contract and the good parts of the 2007 contract
Best post I've read in a while. :beer:
That's why I'm here
imp:And to try to piss off the NJA Koolaid folks as much as possible:beer:
That's why I'm here
And to try to piss off the NJA Koolaid folks as much as possible:beer:
Dude
Many of us want to make sure we preserve what we have so that you will have somethinggreat to come back too if you would like too.
somethinggreat to come back to? Are you serious??? netjet is losing marketshare daily.
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