Rip nji

[rajflyboy]

Your personal opinion, while certainly your perogative, wasn't shared by your NJ peers company wide. The program wouldn't have gotten off the ground (or even out of the discussion phase, for that matter) if the need for it wasn't seen by the majority. For most families loss of income is a serious situation that is easier to deal with the longer they have to prepare. The program was created while thinking of NJ families most likely to need time to save money, pay off bills, make arrangements, etc. -- not the least likely to want the extra time.

Its obvious that you can't deal with the facts. All the facts were posted. Many pilots didn't bother casting a vote because they are tired of the BS. Our leader barely got 1/3 of the vote. A lot of us are really pissed off about how things are going right now. Its sad that you cannot see it.

I'm impressed by how many times I have heard the words "Fab 5" out of our pilots recently. People are seeing and understanding what is going on.

 

[rajflyboy]

Yup. I said that, and stand by my statement. It takes a special kind of person to be an effective Steward for NJASAP.

I'm glad you made this statement. It once again proves the direction this group is heading.

And its not a good direction!

You did a good job of providing needed information to the overall pilot group.

 

[fischman]

I'm glad you made this statement. It once again proves the direction this group is heading.

And its not a good direction!

You did a good job of providing needed information to the overall pilot group.

I like dealing in facts.

Here's another fact. The Steward's Council is among the most respected, level headed, and knowledgeable pilots in NJASAP. I have challenged our pilots to name 1, just 1, steward who they disapprove of. There has not been a single peep. So I have to assume under my impromptu unofficial poll buried deep in a thread on our webboards that our Stewards have a 100% approval rating. Prove me wrong.

I for one feel our Stewards are the BEST in ANY union. I would not want the person sitting next to me during a PRB to be there because they won a popularity contest. I'll take the person who was appointed because of their skills. Our system of recruiting Stewards is not broken. Let's not fix it.

 

[old*art]

CRJFlyer - Accept (sic) for car payments and a student loan I've gotten everything else payed (sic) off, moved the family, buying a new house in a much more desired location in a much more desired state, and managed to totally rid myself of the stress that NJA provided over the last year through a new job, with a better schedule, more pay and better quality of life. Now I'm considering a way to start a back-up career to supplement my income, and hopefully within 5 years branch that career into a business opportunity that may pay off someday if it ever works out the way I hope.

So why are you wasting your time here bitching about a company that will never be blessed with your skills again ? What NJA is it where you guys work or used to work ? It's not the one I know. As a country humor pilot I know likes to say - the only fair in this life is where pigs and cows go to win blue ribbons. No one promised you anything the day you were smacked on the bottom and started crying - but it looks like you have been doing it ever since !!

 

[av8trinabarrel]

CRJFlyer - Accept (sic) for car payments and a student loan I've gotten everything else payed (sic) off, moved the family, buying a new house in a much more desired location in a much more desired state, and managed to totally rid myself of the stress that NJA provided over the last year through a new job, with a better schedule, more pay and better quality of life. Now I'm considering a way to start a back-up career to supplement my income, and hopefully within 5 years branch that career into a business opportunity that may pay off someday if it ever works out the way I hope.

So why are you wasting your time here bitching about a company that will never be blessed with your skills again ? What NJA is it where you guys work or used to work ? It's not the one I know. As a country humor pilot I know likes to say - the only fair in this life is where pigs and cows go to win blue ribbons. No one promised you anything the day you were smacked on the bottom and started crying - but it looks like you have been doing it ever since !!

Whatever your on, I want some. I haven't read any frontier jibberish like this in a long time. Translation please?!!

 

[CA1900]

I believe that roughly translates to, "FYIGM."

 

[imacdog]

Yeah if old*fart doesn't recognize the stress that the furloughees have been under for the last year then I'm not really sure what to think.

 

[CRJFlyer]

CRJFlyer - Accept (sic) for car payments and a student loan I've gotten everything else payed (sic) off, moved the family, buying a new house in a much more desired location in a much more desired state, and managed to totally rid myself of the stress that NJA provided over the last year through a new job, with a better schedule, more pay and better quality of life. Now I'm considering a way to start a back-up career to supplement my income, and hopefully within 5 years branch that career into a business opportunity that may pay off someday if it ever works out the way I hope.

So why are you wasting your time here bitching about a company that will never be blessed with your skills again ? What NJA is it where you guys work or used to work ? It's not the one I know. As a country humor pilot I know likes to say - the only fair in this life is where pigs and cows go to win blue ribbons. No one promised you anything the day you were smacked on the bottom and started crying - but it looks like you have been doing it ever since !!

Time to retire. Your starting to go senile.....Or your just a complete moron....

I come on here to stay somewhat informed, and to get a good laugh from retards like yourself....
Yet another guy who probably came to NJA when he couldn't get on anywhere else...

BTW..I'll bitch when and wherever I want, don't like it, don't read it....If we compared life's stories (and no I'm not talking about flying) I'll bet the house that mine would make for a far more interesting read...I'll guarantee I have had more obstacles to overcome than yourself to get where I'm at... So if you think I'm crying you have another thing coming....God I hate retarded full of themselves idiots who only listen to the sound of their own voice....Mr. IP instructor...

 

[FLYLOW22]

Time to retire. Your starting to go senile.....Or your just a complete moron....

I come on here to stay somewhat informed, and to get a good laugh from retards like yourself....
Yet another guy who probably came to NJA when he couldn't get on anywhere else...

BTW..I'll bitch when and wherever I want, don't like it, don't read it....If we compared life's stories (and no I'm not talking about flying) I'll bet the house that mine would make for a far more interesting read...I'll guarantee I have had more obstacles to overcome than yourself to get where I'm at... So if you think I'm crying you have another thing coming....God I hate retarded full of themselves idiots who only listen to the sound of their own voice....Mr. IP instructor...

I wouldn't come on here to stay informed with ACCURATE information... just sayin'.

 

[RP170]

I wouldn't come on here to stay informed with ACCURATE information... just sayin'.

About as accurate and informed as the 411 leaves us every week. This week they stated that they met with a Marquis rep to discuss how to get the 495 back in NJA cockpits faster. Surprisingly and sadly, they couldn't unveil any details of that discussion to us. Someone might divulge all that top secret info! God forbid we may actually receive some info of what to expect in our future. Some things never change.

I still have my doubts as to whether there is a viable long term plan being developed. Where are all those Embraer aircraft orders at? The announcement of Wi-Fi happened only because everyone else is doing it. And NJA was way behind the competition in announcing that. Sokol needs to leave and go run his energy company. Bring in a real leader and not a bean counter.

 

[Pervis]

About as accurate and informed as the 411 leaves us every week. This week they stated that they met with a Marquis rep to discuss how to get the 495 back in NJA cockpits faster. Surprisingly and sadly, they couldn't unveil any details of that discussion to us. Someone might divulge all that top secret info! God forbid we may actually receive some info of what to expect in our future. Some things never change.

I still have my doubts as to whether there is a viable long term plan being developed. Where are all those Embraer aircraft orders at? The announcement of Wi-Fi happened only because everyone else is doing it. And NJA was way behind the competition in announcing that. Sokol needs to leave and go run his energy company. Bring in a real leader and not a bean counter.

No one knows when recalls will begin. IMHO, I don't think we'll see any until we reach contractual sell-off limits. OT and after midnights are, in the bean counter's eyes, cheaper than salaries and benefits. That said, I am on day 7 and have one pax leg before my airline home. That will total over 35 hrs block and 80 hrs duty with one fatigue call and zero OT this tour. And this is the slow season?

WiFi just recently became available to corporate jets. Until about 2 yrs ago, the antenae weighed 150 lbs. While we are behind the retro curve, we had other fish to fry until recently-like keeping the doors open. Now we are back to a position allowing new equipment and upgrades to existing stuff.

As far as Embraer, they were on site in CMH a few weeks ago. There are only two jets that would fill our needs to replace the multiple small cabins we are disposing of, and most likely Embraer will be the one, but how quick do you think we can pen the deal, arrange deliveries, then announce the schedule? And who the hell are we as simple pilots to be privy to inside info, especially when so much is shared in such private forums, like FI?

Some sound like that JG Wentworth commercial-".....and I want it now". Well, patience may be a lost art, but impatience will do nothing but raise your BP and waste your time. It won't change what is or what will be.

 

[FLYLOW22]

About as accurate and informed as the 411 leaves us every week. This week they stated that they met with a Marquis rep to discuss how to get the 495 back in NJA cockpits faster. Surprisingly and sadly, they couldn't unveil any details of that discussion to us. Someone might divulge all that top secret info! God forbid we may actually receive some info of what to expect in our future. Some things never change.

I still have my doubts as to whether there is a viable long term plan being developed. Where are all those Embraer aircraft orders at? The announcement of Wi-Fi happened only because everyone else is doing it. And NJA was way behind the competition in announcing that. Sokol needs to leave and go run his energy company. Bring in a real leader and not a bean counter.

To each their own Sir.

 

[Helmsalee]

As a guy I flew with when I first started said "Some things we just don't get to decide. The sooner you learn to accept that, the happier you will be."

 

[RP170]

Some sound like that JG Wentworth commercial-".....and I want it now". Well, patience may be a lost art, but impatience will do nothing but raise your BP and waste your time. It won't change what is or what will be.

I apologize that my patience is wearing thin. It's not fun trying to find decent employment in this job market.

 

[FLYLOW22]

And we are supposed to do WHAT to help you 170?

Please tell us.

I just hope you find your happy place cause your gonna need something to get you through this period.

 

[jonjuan]

And we are supposed to do WHAT to help you 170?

Move on to usair...

 

[CRJFlyer]

always like how those more fortunate have such inspring words of encouragement for those less fortunate.......

Don't recall 170 asking for help from you (Flylow) It appears he (as well as most of us) would enjoy getting a bit more info than just :

"we talked with Marquis, it went well for the whole day...There, we mentioned the furloughees, met our quota, time to move on to the next 411"...

Instead a bunch of more fortunate pilots tell us to man up, quit compalining, it is what it is.....

To that i say I'll complain bitch and moan as much as I please. And if I ever get back I'll do the same.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Move on to usair...

Ben there, done that.

 

[FLYLOW22]

always like how those more fortunate have such inspring words of encouragement for those less fortunate.......

Don't recall 170 asking for help from you (Flylow) It appears he (as well as most of us) would enjoy getting a bit more info than just :

"we talked with Marquis, it went well for the whole day...There, we mentioned the furloughees, met our quota, time to move on to the next 411"...

Instead a bunch of more fortunate pilots tell us to man up, quit compalining, it is what it is.....

To that i say I'll complain bitch and moan as much as I please. And if I ever get back I'll do the same.

You and 170 keep running around with your elephant underwear on. I can't help but think you need a vent, a shoulder... I dunno. Nobody on this web board can help you so what would you like us to do?

We are in control of nothing when it comes to your employment. I fly my trips, I do my part, I go home.

What the heck can I do man? You obviously are looking for something from us.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Thread Creeping Violation

Not to be a Debbie Downer...

but uh, this thread is now being cited with a Gross Navigational error. Both laterally and vertically. Please land at the nearest suitable airport and try again.

 

[RP170]

What the heck can I do man? You obviously are looking for something from us.

We are simply looking for more communication just as all 495 of us have from the start. The open ended and ambiguous statements in the 411's get old after awhile.

 

[Pervis]

We are simply looking for more communication just as all 495 of us have from the start. The open ended and ambiguous statements in the 411's get old after awhile.

You are getting as much info as those of us still active. Specifics that are available are posted on NJPILOTS.ORG by a few active pilots. Anything more specific is simply not available, even to the union.

 

[CRJFlyer]

You and 170 keep running around with your elephant underwear on.I've heard alot of metaphors but this one takes the cake. If I only knew what you were talking about. I can't help but think you need a vent,man your bright. After all this time you've figured out what FI is for!! a shoulderNo shoulder needed thanks.... I dunno. Nobody on this web board can help you so what would you like us to do? Shut up and butt out of my venting/bitching session. Did you really think I expect you to help the situation somehow? Your a pilot, not an employment specialist. And no, you don't know everything or have all the answers. (As much as most pilots think they do).

We are in control of nothing when it comes to your employment. I fly my trips, I do my part, I go home. Really. I thought you made hiring decisions at NJA. I must have been mistaken.

What the heck can I do man? See above.You obviously are looking for something from us.Nope, I don't recall ever asking for your help. This is FI for the love of god. It is meant for 1 of 2 things. Venting/bitching, and once in a great while some actually usefull information. [/QUOTE]

Like I said if you don't like reading about myself bitching about the wonderful NJA, then put me on your ignore list or something. Won't hurt my feelings, trust me.

 

[CRJFlyer]

You are getting as much info as those of us still active. Specifics that are available are posted on NJPILOTS.ORG by a few active pilots. Anything more specific is simply not available, even to the union.

I realize every one is in the dark. Hence the reason why we're disgruntled. Flylow seems to take it personally. Like we expect something from him. Either his ego is that big, or he's in love with NJA that much.

and thank the decision for booting us off the main board for that. If we had access we could see for ourselves that there is nothing being leaked. Unfortunatley that decision has been made, and we are left to do nothing but speculate. It was forewarned that FI would become an avenue to air dirty laundry or just b.itch about NJA in general.

And now people here complain that we complain too much. Tough.

 

[Pervis]

CRJ, the site I mentioned is for all Netjets pilots-retired, furloughed, and active. Just register like you did with the message board and you're in. FWIW, many of us are against the decision to cut you guys off the main site, and also want access for the NJI pilots now, but when less than 50% of the active pilots vote, you can't expect the change in command necessary to take OUR union back. Remember that when you return.

 

[FLYLOW22]

We are simply looking for more communication just as all 495 of us have from the start. The open ended and ambiguous statements in the 411's get old after awhile.

Why don't you call Mark Luthi and discuss this with him?

What can I do?

 

[FLYLOW22]

You and 170 keep running around with your elephant underwear on.I've heard alot of metaphors but this one takes the cake. If I only knew what you were talking about. I can't help but think you need a vent,man your bright. After all this time you've figured out what FI is for!! a shoulderNo shoulder needed thanks.... I dunno. Nobody on this web board can help you so what would you like us to do? Shut up and butt out of my venting/bitching session. Did you really think I expect you to help the situation somehow? Your a pilot, not an employment specialist. And no, you don't know everything or have all the answers. (As much as most pilots think they do).

We are in control of nothing when it comes to your employment. I fly my trips, I do my part, I go home. Really. I thought you made hiring decisions at NJA. I must have been mistaken.

What the heck can I do man? See above.You obviously are looking for something from us.Nope, I don't recall ever asking for your help. This is FI for the love of god. It is meant for 1 of 2 things. Venting/bitching, and once in a great while some actually usefull information. [/QUOTE]

Like I said if you don't like reading about myself bitching about the wonderful NJA, then put me on your ignore list or something. Won't hurt my feelings, trust me.

Now that you've had another successful and productive session, what else can I do to help you?

In the absence of 482 pilots, the heat is slowly building to work us all harder. The pressure is building and will eventually give way to recalls... when responsible staffing decisions are made.

It's not easy to be on the outside and soon enough it will not be easy to be on the line working 14 hour, 5 leg shifts for 7 days in a row. Please know that it's just not a bowl of cherries from either position.

Speaking of perspective... Here's to hoping that someday you experience a good change of the one you have now. It happens with time, and usually it's a good thing.

Take care.

 

[gret]

"You and 170 keep running around with your elephant underwear on.I've heard alot of metaphors but this one takes the cake. If I only knew what you were talking about."

Yeah...what the heck does this mean? I hang around a lot of saloons, but I never heard this one before.

 

[CRJFlyer]

Now that you've had another successful and productive session, what else can I do to help you?

In the absence of 482 pilots, the heat is slowly building to work us all harder. The pressure is building and will eventually give way to recalls... when responsible staffing decisions are made.

It's not easy to be on the outside and soon enough it will not be easy to be on the line working 14 hour, 5 leg shifts for 7 days in a row. Please know that it's just not a bowl of cherries from either position.Hope you didn't just try to compare our situation with you being overworked. That's just plain retarded....

Speaking of perspective... Here's to hoping that someday you experience a good change of the one you have now.It's already happened, but I'm still gonna b.itch about NJA. It happens with time, and usually it's a good thing. Thanks I feel much better with your words of wisdom. What would I have done all these years without realizing that? (If you care, I'm on my 5th job in 10 years, through no fault of my own.) I've figured out how to make it without NJA. ..BBBBUUUUTTTTT I'm still gonna b.itch about it!

Take care.

If you'd take the time to actually read and not see what you want to see, you'd come to realize nobody is asking for your help with anything. I don't recall asking for your help. I've managed without NJA, and this is not my first paper route when it comes to aviation jobs, furloughs, bankruptcies or being in a union.

BTW,they can only TRY to make you do 14hr,5leg,7day trips...Whether you do them or not is up to you.

OK this is where Flylow says.."what would you like me to do about it?" Because he doesn't read/comprehend anything I've just written.

 

[FLYLOW22]

"You and 170 keep running around with your elephant underwear on.I've heard alot of metaphors but this one takes the cake. If I only knew what you were talking about."

Yeah...what the heck does this mean? I hang around a lot of saloons, but I never heard this one before.

You don't have Elephant Underwear moments?