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But that is the biggest plane they have. I am not defending them. Someone asked a question and I would not say US has better rates. Both are extremely bad.

Republic USAIRWAYS
CA $64-119 $79-95
FO $23-37 $41-52

No matter what you say, it's not going to satisfy citationlover or the like. I'm not saying either payscale is good, it's just that they are pissed and have an axe to grind. Why waste the breath, or keystrokes in this case.
 
No matter what you say, it's not going to satisfy citationlover or the like. I'm not saying either payscale is good, it's just that they are pissed and have an axe to grind. Why waste the breath, or keystrokes in this case.

Now why would he have an axe to grind? Hmmm....his airline is bought by RAH (or sold out by TH...however you look at it) , the pilots forced out and the flying replaced by RAH pilots compensated at half the pay. All without even the common courtesy of a reach around.
 
Now why would he have an axe to grind? Hmmm....his airline is bought by RAH (or sold out by TH...however you look at it) , the pilots forced out and the flying replaced by RAH pilots compensated at half the pay. All without even the common courtesy of a reach around.

Wow, this comming from an Airtran guy who's company facilitated the demise of Midwest in the first place. Flying a 737 for 1/2 the price if what Midwest was flying the 717 for! Then they try a hostile takeover of that same company. Look no further than the mirror to figure out which company played a bigger role toolbag. While you're at it, try and get some payrates inline with WN, you fly the 73 don't you?? If you cave you are no better then anyone else....
 
Wow, this comming from an Airtran guy who's company facilitated the demise of Midwest in the first place. Flying a 737 for 1/2 the price if what Midwest was flying the 717 for! Then they try a hostile takeover of that same company. Look no further than the mirror to figure out which company played a bigger role toolbag. While you're at it, try and get some payrates inline with WN, you fly the 73 don't you?? If you cave you are no better then anyone else....

How much crack do you smoke in a day?
 
It's sad to see how many of his employees think he is the best thing since sliced bread....

You are correct in this statement, but not in the way you intended. Very few of the employees think highly of him, which, while not surprising, is indeed sad.

 
Wow, this comming from an Airtran guy who's company facilitated the demise of Midwest in the first place. Flying a 737 for 1/2 the price if what Midwest was flying the 717 for! Then they try a hostile takeover of that same company. Look no further than the mirror to figure out which company played a bigger role toolbag. While you're at it, try and get some payrates inline with WN, you fly the 73 don't you?? If you cave you are no better then anyone else....

Hmmm....toolbag? you're funny.
 
No matter what you say, it's not going to satisfy citationlover or the like. I'm not saying either payscale is good, it's just that they are pissed and have an axe to grind. Why waste the breath, or keystrokes in this case.

Its really not the payscales. Its the work rules! And at republic the work rules suck booty! A friend of mine there did a 4 day trip and got paid 8 hours due to cx'ed flights. Work rules are the difference between a 80hr line and 100 pay credit line.
 
To blame this on airtran is crazy.Your company and NWA and TPI did you in.
2008 was a very bad year for Midwest financially. There were three primary causes for the huge losses Midwest suffered in 2008. The first was the quick run up of fuel prices. The second was Airtran adding significant capacity to MKE adding competition to all of Midwest's bread and butter routes to East and West Coasts and Florida. Airtran had a huge advantage as their fleet of 717s/737s were more fuel efficient than Midwests 717s/MD-80s. Also, Airtran knew alot about how to hurt Midwest as they had learned alot of info about Midwest during their takeover attempt. The third reason was Tim Hoeksma really did not know how to run a profitable airline. Great service but bad economics.

So I would blame Hoeksma, Airtran, and fuel prices for the demise of Midwest and not Republic, Northwest, or TPG.
 
What?!

Roger, WTF are you talking about?! That is the most illogical, ill-informed and unintelligent gibberish I have ever read on this forum.

Your pay scale was better than ALL regionals out there. How can you blame any regional for that? I only blame Republic for that because Republic is the only one flying our routes for half the pay. I guess I should have made a point and called the company and said you know, the Midwest guys want their money more than my family needs mine, right? Sounds silly, doesn't it? I can't even count the number of times I've heard Republic pilots justify their culpability in lowering the bar for the aviation industry. You can't even see that you're selling out your future self. You people are so short-sighted that all you care about is putting food on your table today - when are you going to start worrying about what you're doing to this "profession" and understand that your actions today will prevent us from ever getting the industry back to a livable condition?! When we negotiate this next contract, then you can start pointing fingers if we accept a substandard contract. There were still YX pilots flying the line when there were Republic pilots on furlough. YOU are the blame for that. Doesn't sound cool when the tables are turned, does it? You were screwing your brothers and sisters. I agree sibling screwing is unacceptable so don't do it again. No I do not need to be reminded about our pay scale. But you know what? There are some things you need to be reminded of. How in the eff can the tables be turned?! Were Midwest pilots flying jets with Republic painted on the sides for approximately half of the hourly rate the Republic pilots were getting paid (on the routes that were formerly mainline routes)? Of course not!
 
borg,

hows life in the MCI area?

I'm well. I've been enjoying time at home with the wife and son and have been doing a fair bit of contract work in Citations (which looks like could turn into a full-time gig soon). I'm admitted to law school for this fall, so trying to decide whether to hang up the headset or press on. If Republic is my best option that won't be a difficult decision...
 
MKE Airport management made an accounting error. They double counted the Skywest flying. Airtran reported their passenger number for the combined operation, then Skywest reported their own numbers again/separately. FL/OO would have had to run a 93.9% load factor to achieve those numbers. New Frontier is still in the lead. Analysis here:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4807858/
 
Dot market share stats are fine, but if you are selling seats for less than it costs to move them, you are not going to be there for the long run. RAH buying F9 to get their costs in line for "branded" flying expansion was a smart move. If you can go forward and narrow the CASM/RASM gap (from your Q1 financial results) then you will stay around (the "branded flying" of course). Your fixed fee for departure will always be there since you don't pay for gas.
 
Now why would he have an axe to grind? Hmmm....his airline is bought by RAH (or sold out by TH...however you look at it) , the pilots forced out and the flying replaced by RAH pilots compensated at half the pay. All without even the common courtesy of a reach around.

Did RAH pilots fly B717 or MD80's for half the pay? Hmm. That doesn't seem logical since they fly a different kind of airplane with a different seat density.

On the other hand, you have to admit, Airtran is almost if not the lowest paid B737/B717 airline out there. So if logic dictates, you guys are actually getting well below average-but not half the pay scale of major airlines ie SWA and DL.

What do you think tool bag?
 
Roger, WTF are you talking about?! That is the most illogical, ill-informed and unintelligent gibberish I have ever read on this forum.


Borg,

Do you happen to know if RAH pilots flies B717/MD80 for half the pay? Last I remember, they fly a different airplane with a different seat density.

So if your logic dictates, they should get paid full pay the same pay scale on your former B717. hmmm.
 
Borg,

Do you happen to know if RAH pilots flies B717/MD80 for half the pay? Last I remember, they fly a different airplane with a different seat density.

So if your logic dictates, they should get paid full pay the same pay scale on your former B717. hmmm.

English your second language? Only reason I can think of to explain how incredibly retarded both of these posts are.
 
Borg,

Do you happen to know if RAH pilots flies B717/MD80 for half the pay? Last I remember, they fly a different airplane with a different seat density.

So if your logic dictates, they should get paid full pay the same pay scale on your former B717. hmmm.

I'm finding it hard to follow what you're trying to say, but since you seem to be late to the party, here are the facts:

1. Midwest's MD80s were taken out of service when the fuel prices spiked in 2008-2009.
2. Midwest's B717s were configured for 99 passengers.
3. Midwest's management demanded massive paycuts (to Republic's payrates).
4. The Midwest pilots said "He!! no."
5. Republic pilots said "We'll fly 99 seat airplanes (E190s) for the rates Midwest management has proposed."
6. Midwest management said, "Sweet, that's alot easier than negotiating with our own pilots!"
7. The Republic pilots all hold hands and say "It's not our fault, really, it's not. Please ignore the fact that we completely destroyed any chance for Midwest pilots to negotiate a reasonable payscale that is in line with industry standard (and keep their jobs) and that we have collectively lowered the bar for the entire industry." and "Don't blame us, blame management." and "We need to put food on our table." and countless other similar stupid statements.
8. All 400 Midwest pilots were laid off.
9. Midwest pilots are rightfully p!ssed off, as every narrowbody pilot in the industry should be.

The simple fact is that if Republic hadn't had such ridiculously low 99-seat payrates, neither company would be in this situation.
 
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Borg,

Do you happen to know if RAH pilots flies B717/MD80 for half the pay? Last I remember, they fly a different airplane with a different seat density.

So if your logic dictates, they should get paid full pay the same pay scale on your former B717. hmmm.

They fly different airplanes, but the SAME seat density.

B717=99 seats
E190=99 seats

I would assume that since you're using the name ms_chq and you have listed that you've flown a whole host of EJets that you've worked for Chataqua and would therefore be informed of this, but maybe you're just not very smart...
 
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They fly different airplanes, but the SAME seat density.

B717=99 seats
E190=99 seats

I would assume that since you're using the name ms_chq and you have listed that you've flown a whole host of EJets that you've worked for Chataqua and would therefore be informed of this, but maybe you're just not very smart...

ms chq...hmmm...likes to use "tool bag" as insult of choice......basic math skills appear to be weak. Difficulty in maintaining any logical train of thought. Nope....she's not worth arguing with.
 
They fly different airplanes, but the SAME seat density.

B717=99 seats
E190=99 seats

I would assume that since you're using the name ms_chq and you have listed that you've flown a whole host of EJets that you've worked for Chataqua and would therefore be informed of this, but maybe you're just not very smart...

Actually he's even MORE wrong.

Our 717's originally had 88 first class seats. The pay rates were based on fewer than 70 seat DC-9's. ALL paid more than any respective equivalent position at RAH. Cheaper labor won out with Bedford's minions doing the equivalent flying now.
 
Actually he's even MORE wrong.

Our 717's originally had 88 first class seats. The pay rates were based on fewer than 70 seat DC-9's. ALL paid more than any respective equivalent position at RAH. Cheaper labor won out with Bedford's minions doing the equivalent flying now.

Good point Citation, you always were the smart one in class...
 
Correct me if i'm wrong, but weren't those 717's scheduled to go away long before Rah even came into the picture?
 

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