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$$$4nothin

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Republic Airways Holdings announced at 5pm today that they have an agreement to fly 12 EMB-170's for Midwest. It is a 1.5 year deal then all the aircraft will go to Midwest and be flown by Midwent pilots unless there contract isn't ratified by the end of the year and a half. If it isn't this will become a 10 year agreement and RAH will continue to operate the aircraft. The first four aircraft will start service on OCT. 1 and they add the rest starting on the 15th. Yes this is for real. The press releases are out. Looks like the Republic birds need to put cookie ovens on there planes.
 
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If Midwest ratifies a contract by the end of the year and a half, I wonder if they'll hire Repulic pilots on to fly the 170s.
 
Just read that on Yahoo. It seems less of a contract for RP and more of a sale of assets and running them until midwest can do it themselves.
 
brokedash said:
If Midwest ratifies a contract by the end of the year and a half, I wonder if they'll hire Repulic pilots on to fly the 170s.
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Sure...right after all Midwest's currently furloughed pilots are offered recall.

Good news for RAH pilots, hopefully this will mitigate some if not all the furloughs.
 
I don't get it

Since RAH is paying up to $25 M for this new opportunity, is it on par with PFT? Or is it okay for an airline to pay for flying, just not pilots?

Seriously, what is in this for RAH? In 18 mos, if an agreement is reached (which, if you read the press release from Midwest they obviously think it will be) then Midwest gets all the planes, manuals, certificates, authorizations etc. If one isn't reached, no doubt Midwest pilots will probably walk off the job and now there is no-one left to feed anyway.

This looks like a whipsaw tactic to get Midwest pilots to agree to a contract or be replaced.

Interesting nonetheless ...
 
If I read it correctly, this would be a major violation of the RAH pilots scope clause. No RAH owned airplane can be flown by pilots not on the RAH master seniority list.
 
freeflyer14 said:
If I read it correctly, this would be a major violation of the RAH pilots scope clause. No RAH owned airplane can be flown by pilots not on the RAH master seniority list.
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HA!! you HIT it right on the head men!!! but Scope, Contrac and Clouses are CEO's toilet papper!!!:angryfire
 
freeflyer14 said:
If I read it correctly, this would be a major violation of the RAH pilots scope clause. No RAH owned airplane can be flown by pilots not on the RAH master seniority list.
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hint....they will no longer be RAH aircraft 18 months after this starts if an agreement is reached.
 
Gotta love when a regional pilot pulls scope out on a mainline carrier....

When did RAH get a ticketing office?? Or a Res number?? Or a baggage service counter??

Oh, that's right....you guys are FEED.....NOW I understand your scope.....
 
No, you don't. Not even to the point of effective sarcasm.
 
Sounds like Tim is trying to justify cutting Midwest pilots paychecks by making them fly smaller airplanes of the same configuration. Let the games continue / management sinks another good airline.
 
And management(s) are trying to use the RAH pilots as pawns in a whipsaw game, it is incumbent upon the RAH pilots to throw sand in those gears.

Gravel, I mean.

No, rocks.

Big rocks; boulders, even.
 
$$$4nothin said:
Republic Airways Holdings announced at 5pm today that they have an agreement to fly 12 EMB-170's for Midwest. It is a 1.5 year deal then all the aircraft will go to Midwest and be flown by Midwent pilots unless there contract isn't ratified by the end of the year and a half. If it isn't this will become a 10 year agreement and RAH will continue to operate the aircraft. The first four aircraft will start service on OCT. 1 and they add the rest starting on the 15th. Yes this is for real. The press releases are out. Looks like the Republic birds need to put cookie ovens on there planes.
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That's great...the furloughed pilots only have to survive another 18 months without a job, while somebody else replaces them for the time being.

The airline industry is so screwed up.
 
mwmav8r01 said:
I agree, there will be E190s-e195s on a J4J arrangement. Which sucks for everyone involved.
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Well if we can get the Midwest guys off furlough and into the left seat of an EJet, and get our own people off furlough it could be an acceptable short term solution that keeps food on everyone's tables.
 
king10pin02 said:
Well if we can get the Midwest guys off furlough and into the left seat of an EJet, and get our own people off furlough it could be an acceptable short term solution that keeps food on everyone's tables.
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This would be akin to selling Boardwalk to your Monopoly opponent (who already has Park Place) in order to pay the rent when you land on his Baltic.

Or another metaphor would be eating your seed stock over the winter without regard to what you plan to plant next spring.
 
Wow Rev Bedford, awful fricking desperate I'd say. Innovative right, Republic being used to beat down pilot pay at another company?:rolleyes:
 
I disagree with the J4J proposition. I think this is a last ditch effort by YX. They have no cash. They are late in paying for gates at MKE and they are late in payments to Skywest.
Since RAH put up the $$ to promote the deal, it was the only way for Midwest to get their hands on some cash (and at the same time reducing labor costs in YX pilots). No one else would lend them cash!! TPG bought in a long time ago. They got half of their investment back and now they figure they are comitted until the end.

I seriously doubt that YX pilots will ever fly the E190's. I hope they respond to this appropriatly. I think the only move is to walk out. Going down to 100 pilots is not really worth it with the reduction of pay and all the downgrades. However, what do you do once you walk out? Anyway, its a bad situation....
 
Wow, let's say that the YX pilot's picket over this and then Midwest says, "let's get some RAH pilots to fly these things, they're theirs anyway..." what's to stop them? This has the makings of strike breaking written all over it. I'm very happy i'm in the 145 and I won't have to make the decision. I will not cross the picket line though, that's for sure.
 
What a disgrace.
 
Uncle Bunkle said:
You, my friend, are a scumbag.
This is good for NOBODY.
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So I'm a scumbag because I said no RAH pilots would be hired at Midwest to fly the E-Jets until all YX furloughees are recalled? :confused:

This deal is good for plenty of people...RAH management, YX management, and plenty of lawyers for starters. Like it or not, its also good for RAH pilots, at least short term, if it prevents some or all of their furloughs.

Its NOT good for any YX crewmembers, a few of whom were my captains when I flew at Air Wisconsin.

If I'm a scumbag for simply playing the role of Captain Obvious, then so be it...:rolleyes:
 

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