Profiling

[kmox29]

Looks to me like at least 3 of the 4 bombers in London were Middle Eastern men in their 20's or 30's. I wonder if there is a pattern here. I wonder if profiling will ever become a reality. I wonder if dodgeball will ever be put back in schools.

 

[ERfly]

They profile right now. They're looking for White, Anglo Males, age 23-50, dressed as pilots. You know that we're the biggest single threat to aviation, right?

 

[capt. megadeth]

That would be (Gawd, I fukin hate this phrase...how gay) "politically incorrect"

 

[kngarthur]

Looks to me like at least 3 of the 4 bombers in London were Middle Eastern men in their 20's or 30's. I wonder if there is a pattern here. I wonder if profiling will ever become a reality. I wonder if dodgeball will ever be put back in schools.

Well I'm sure it's the white anglo male's fault somewhere. I hope this "multi-culturist" bulls%$t gets exposed for what it really is.

 

[BlackPilot628]

Hell, I'm a target everytime I walk through the airport.

"Hey Fred, Did that Black guy steal that uniform?"

 

[JvW]

Fortunately here in FLL TSA is a little better with flight crews...but amen to this post...look at the last 30-40 years, where does most of the terrorism come from, christian Germans, buddhist from the far East or African tribes from Kenia???...anyhow, I am so sick of the aparent problem we have in this world...

my 2 cents


JvW

 

[vtchaz]

Ignorance

I too am sick of the problems we have in this world...the biggest one is called ignorance! I don't think I need to tell most of us what's wrong with this entire thread and this post in particular. Learn to spell!!! Now I've given my two cents, and I'm done with this...

Fortunately here in FLL TSA is a little better with flight crews...but amen to this post...look at the last 30-40 years, where does most of the terrorism come from, christian Germans, buddhist from the far East or African tribes from Kenia???...anyhow, I am so sick of the aparent problem we have in this world...

my 2 cents


JvW

 

[ohplease!]

Hell, I'm a target everytime I walk through the airport.

"Hey Fred, Did that Black guy steal that uniform?"

aww, poor baby. got a little bit of a complex about being a black pilot? maybe you should go play basketball so nobody will pick on you.

try just being a PILOT and drop the black complex. You're giving the rest of the black guys a bad rap.

 

[DX Rick]

Hell, I'm a target everytime I walk through the airport.

"Hey Fred, Did that Black guy steal that uniform?"

Well did you?

j/k

 

[3M1900FO]

oh pls are you another red neck from georgia.

 

[3M1900FO]

and get over the middle easter arab things. i fly with a bunch of great guys from iran jordan etc etc plus lets not forget oklahoma city timothy mcviegh everyone

 

[labbats]

and get over the middle easter arab things. i fly with a bunch of great guys from iran jordan etc etc plus lets not forget proper sentence structure because if there's one thing I can't stand it's run on sentences, no really, because....

.....

 

[atrdriver]

and get over the middle easter arab things. i fly with a bunch of great guys from iran jordan etc etc plus lets not forget oklahoma city timothy mcviegh everyone

Yeah, let's not forget him. And how many terrorist acts have been committed in the last 10 years? And how many of them have been committed by middle agae middle eastern males? I haven't looked up the numbers but I would be willing to bet that the number is over 95%. There will ALWAYS be a reason the feel good crowd will NOT want to profile. Ever wonder why El Al has NEVER had a hijacking? Think maybe it's because they DO profile?

I know a lot of middle eastern males, and they are all great guys. I also know that most of the worlds terrorism in the last 10 to 15 years has been committed by middle eastern males. Most of the middle eastern males that I know wonder why we don't profile. Think about it.

 

[RP170]

aww, poor baby. got a little bit of a complex about being a black pilot? maybe you should go play basketball so nobody will pick on you.

try just being a PILOT and drop the black complex. You're giving the rest of the black guys a bad rap.

Come on man. He's joking around.

 

[RP170]

aww, poor baby. got a little bit of a complex about being a black pilot? maybe you should go play basketball so nobody will pick on you.

try just being a PILOT and drop the black complex. You're giving the rest of the black guys a bad rap.

Come on man. He's joking around and you have to attack him.

 

[Icelandair]

Why do liberals always shout with glee about how "Timothy McVeigh wasn't an arab! See! See! I told you more than just arabs commit terrorism," while they blindly ignore the 3000 other acts of terrorism that weren't commited by a white male 18-40.

If there were two guys going by, one a white male 18-40, the other an arab with a towel on his head reading the koran, the screener would probably screen the white guy more just so the ACLU lawya (the head of the snake) who is standing there just waiting to pounce on another so called discrimination case isn't able to get his wish.

 

[Hardknock]

Why do conservatives always assume that anyone who doesn’t look like them must be a terrorist, while they blindly ignore the thousands of acts of terrorism that were committed by white males? (The IRA)

What's good for the goose is good for the gander jacka$$. What do you suggest, lock them all up under suspicion alone? Or have you forgotten about innocent until proven guilty?

This is still America you idiots.

 

[capt. megadeth]

What do you suggest, lock them all up under suspicion alone?

.

Good Idea.








Just kidding!

 

[front9]

Not all arabs are terrorists, but all terrorists are arabs.

 

[atrdriver]

Why do conservatives always assume that anyone who doesn’t look like them must be a terrorist, while they blindly ignore the thousands of acts of terrorism that were committed by white males? (The IRA)

What's good for the goose is good for the gander jacka$$. What do you suggest, lock them all up under suspicion alone? Or have you forgotten about innocent until proven guilty?

This is still America you idiots.

Just out of curiosity, how many acts of terrorism did the IRA commit outside the borders of the UK? Was the IRA out to kill everyone who wasn't a member of the IRA?

Innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to flying as a passenger on an airliner. That is not a right, it is a priveledge. If your wife or daughter was raped or killed by a 5'4" white male with dark hair, would you want the police to stop and question black males, hispanic males, and indian males about the crime? No, you would want the to stop and question 5'4" white males with dark hair. You need to get a clue. If you are trying to stop something from happening the way to do it is to scrutinize those that are most likely to perform whatever act you are trying to stop.

And nobody here is advocating locking up every middle age middle eastern male. We are advocating giving them some additional scrutiny. There is a big difference. When there is a law on the books that states that no more than 2 middle eastern males can be picked out per flight for additional screening because we might offend someone there is something seriously wrong.

 

[kmox29]

My post was not meant to offend anyone. If you have been offended, you need to learn to relax. I honestly don't care who you are or what you look like...until you continually come to my house and kick my dog every week. Then I begin to get suspicious. Furthermore, if a large group of Middle Eastern males in their 20s and 30s are the ones kicking my dog every week, I would expect the cops to be a little more concerned with that ethnic group.

Look, in America, you are not allowed to be searched by law enforcement without reasonable cause. EXCEPT in airports. In U.S. airports, citizens instantly give up that right. But profiling would hurt feelings. WTF

 

[BlackPilot628]

aww, poor baby. got a little bit of a complex about being a black pilot? maybe you should go play basketball so nobody will pick on you.

try just being a PILOT and drop the black complex. You're giving the rest of the black guys a bad rap.

Shut up you Tool. Find another Joke to b!tch about. If you can't take jokes, you're in the wrong business.

 

[superrav]

What are the alternatives?? Your going to have to do some sort of profiling...it sucks but thats the way it is. If they had profiled on 9/11 we wouldnt be where we are now...And i know some of the airport security personel we're suspicious..but not enough to profile...only if they had.

 

[ETOPS-787]

kmox29

STOP saying middle eastern. What happened in London was done by three British citizens originally from PAKISTAN and PAKISTAN IS NOT PART OF THE MIDDLE EAST. Please get you geography together man.

 

[Flyer1015]

Start profiling anyone that looks brown?

Do you know how many brown people there are in world, flying every day? Just going by the definition of "being brown," you're including many in the middle east, Pakistan/India, southeast Asia... that's what? At least 40% of the world population?

If the US starts to openly profile all brown people, then everything that this country was built on, and its values, go right down the hole. What will it be? The land of the free, free press, free right to speech, free everything.... as long as you're not brown.

Do you realize that many brown people that you see wearing turbans aren't even muslim? They're a totally different religion, and they're called sikhs.

Yes, there are some brown guys that are bad. But there are sooooo many others who are decent, outstanding citizens... not just in the US but all across the world.

"Punishing" an entire race of people for the actions of a few lunatics is pure lunacy itself. Remember the Japanese internment camps? Was that fair?

And btw, I think those 3 terrorists that have been caputred... they're actually British citizens, born in the UK. Their background (parents) were Pakistani.

 

[atrdriver]

Start profiling anyone that looks brown?

Do you know how many brown people there are in world, flying every day? Just going by the definition of "being brown," you're including many in the middle east, Pakistan/India, southeast Asia... that's what? At least 40% of the world population?

If the US starts to openly profile all brown people, then everything that this country was built on, and its values, go right down the hole. What will it be? The land of the free, free press, free right to speech, free everything.... as long as you're not brown.

Do you realize that many brown people that you see wearing turbans aren't even muslim? They're a totally different religion, and they're called sikhs.

Yes, there are some brown guys that are bad. But there are sooooo many others who are decent, outstanding citizens... not just in the US but all across the world.

"Punishing" an entire race of people for the actions of a few lunatics is pure lunacy itself. Remember the Japanese internment camps? Was that fair?

And btw, I think those 3 terrorists that have been caputred... they're actually British citizens, born in the UK. Their background (parents) were Pakistani.

Yeah, that pretty much covers it. If "brown" people are commiting 95% of worldwide terrorism, then profile "brown" people. Do you remember when crewmembers started haveing to go through security everywhere? That, as I remember, was one of the by products of the ex Fed-Ex guy who hijacked the Fed-Ex plane. So they started profiling pilots.

Yes, there are many many more fine upstanding "brown" people in the world than there are that commit acts of terror. But that's just really too bad, isn't it? But the fact remains that the VAST majority of terrorist acts in the last 20 years have been committed by "middle eastern" males, or those who "look" middle eastern. As long as that is the case, then we need to profile them.

 

[s.o.sJTB]

Thats right 4 BRITS blew up the london underground. Born and Raised in Britain, none were Middle-Eastern (they were of Pakistani descent, you know one of our closest allies in the war on terror!), and one was from JAMAICAN descent.
Most suicide bombing are committed by the Thamil Tigers, they are not Muslim and not Middle Eastern amd they not only invented the suicide vest but have carried out way more suicide bombings than any other group.
Its funny I can go down to my local Irish Pub and see a whole wall honoring the IRA and IRA terrorist bombers, Imagine a Middle Eastern deli homoring the PLO and Palestinean bombers.
Oh well I gues there is some truth to the old saying "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!"
As far as profiling goes most Americans are to ignorant of other religons, races, and cultures to do an effective job, they would just round up all the "brown skinned ragheads" mostly harrasing Indians and Sikhs. Most of our own CIA agent focusing on Mid-East terror couldnt tell the difference between the various sects of Islam or know of even the history of any of the internal conflicts they may share,

 

[Flyer1015]

Yeah, that pretty much covers it. If "brown" people are commiting 95% of worldwide terrorism, then profile "brown" people. Do you remember when crewmembers started haveing to go through security everywhere? That, as I remember, was one of the by products of the ex Fed-Ex guy who hijacked the Fed-Ex plane. So they started profiling pilots.

Yes, there are many many more fine upstanding "brown" people in the world than there are that commit acts of terror. But that's just really too bad, isn't it? But the fact remains that the VAST majority of terrorist acts in the last 20 years have been committed by "middle eastern" males, or those who "look" middle eastern. As long as that is the case, then we need to profile them.

First, I appreciate that you kept cool about the whole topic, and didn't go off calling me a crazy liberal or something

Are you sure it was the Fedex incident that caused all crew members to go through security? I thought it was that US Airways or PSA employee who was in a BAE-146... he got fired, so while on the plane, he shot his boss, the two pilots, and then crashed the plane. I believe that was the one.

Any way, I can certainly appreciate your viewpoint, and don't get me wrong, I can see where you are coming from.

However, as with any political topic, there are both sides who believe in different things.

 

[atrdriver]

Thats right 4 BRITS blew up the london underground. Born and Raised in Britain, none were Middle-Eastern (they were of Pakistani descent, you know one of our closest allies in the war on terror!), and one was from JAMAICAN descent.
Most suicide bombing are committed by the Thamil Tigers, they are not Muslim and not Middle Eastern amd they not only invented the suicide vest but have carried out way more suicide bombings than any other group.
Its funny I can go down to my local Irish Pub and see a whole wall honoring the IRA and IRA terrorist bombers, Imagine a Middle Eastern deli homoring the PLO and Palestinean bombers.
Oh well I gues there is some truth to the old saying "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!"
As far as profiling goes most Americans are to ignorant of other religons, races, and cultures to do an effective job, they would just round up all the "brown skinned ragheads" mostly harrasing Indians and Sikhs. Most of our own CIA agent focusing on Mid-East terror couldnt tell the difference between the various sects of Islam or know of even the history of any of the internal conflicts they may share,

And again I ask, how many acts of terror did the IRA commit outside of the British Isles? They were not out to kill everyone in the world that wasn't Irish Catholic. I'm not condoning what the IRA did, but there is a difference between them and Islamic terrorists.

 

[Flyer1015]

Thats right 4 BRITS blew up the london underground. Born and Raised in Britain, none were Middle-Eastern (they were of Pakistani descent, you know one of our closest allies in the war on terror!), and one was from JAMAICAN descent.
Most suicide bombing are committed by the Thamil Tigers, they are not Muslim and not Middle Eastern amd they not only invented the suicide vest but have carried out way more suicide bombings than any other group.
Its funny I can go down to my local Irish Pub and see a whole wall honoring the IRA and IRA terrorist bombers, Imagine a Middle Eastern deli homoring the PLO and Palestinean bombers.
Oh well I gues there is some truth to the old saying "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!"
As far as profiling goes most Americans are to ignorant of other religons, races, and cultures to do an effective job, they would just round up all the "brown skinned ragheads" mostly harrasing Indians and Sikhs. Most of our own CIA agent focusing on Mid-East terror couldnt tell the difference between the various sects of Islam or know of even the history of any of the internal conflicts they may share,

Ditto to everything. But remeber that Pakistan's President Musharrif has helped and they have caputred many top level al - Qaeda players. How many times has it been on tv that we hear that, "so and so al qaeda operative was captured by Pakistani autorities?"