Profiling

[s.o.sJTB]

But the fact remains that the VAST majority of terrorist acts in the last 20 years have been committed by "middle eastern" males, or those who "look" middle eastern. As long as that is the case, then we need to profile them.

Where do you get those facts??? Where did you do your research on world wide terrorist attacks? Or are you just speaking with no real research or data to back up your "facts". Do you just listen to the radio and spout off the facts that some right wing loudmouth on the AM dial, or have you actually did some investigating to back up your misguided accusations? I will say that most terrorist attacks commited by Islamic Fascists tend to be more spectacular, yet most deaths and acts of terror are perpetrated by groups with non Islamic agendas and they are not of Mid-Eastern descent, but most dont know that in the U.S. since thats not what FOX says.

 

[Flyer1015]

And again I ask, how many acts of terror did the IRA commit outside of the British Isles? They were not out to kill everyone in the world that wasn't Irish Catholic. I'm not condoning what the IRA did, but there is a difference between them and Islamic terrorists.

The goal of these islamic radical terrorists is NOT to kill everyone who isn't muslim.

Ha! They're so insane in their own views, they are killing other muslims everyday in Iraq.... suicide bombers blowing themselves outside of police stations.

They use religion in the name of their political games. PLO wants Palestine free, Israel gone. 9/11 attacks came out with a message in those anhtrax letters.... death to America, death to Israel.


These terrorists are all political... they don't like our foreign policy, they don't like Israel, they don't like us helping Israel, and they don't like our troops in the middle east.

 

[Black Water Dog]

It is utterly amazing that one side of this debate has so controlled the language that we can't see or speak the truth. That truth is one is not profiled based on who he is - he is profiled based on who the terrorists are.

 

[s.o.sJTB]

And again I ask, how many acts of terror did the IRA commit outside of the British Isles? They were not out to kill everyone in the world that wasn't Irish Catholic. I'm not condoning what the IRA did, but there is a difference between them and Islamic terrorists.

The IRA didnt need to focus there agression outside of the British Isles, the British were the only ones they felt were oppressing them, dosent make since for the IRA to bomb Spain now does it?
The targets of Islamic terrorists arent random, they are going after specific nationalities and countries, countries they feel have oppressed them in their own homelands, so they have brought the war and their aggression to those shores. Not trying to justify their actions just stating the facts.

 

[Flyer1015]

The IRA didnt need to focus there agression outside of the British Isles, the British were the only ones they felt were oppressing them, dosent make since for the IRA to bomb Spain now does it?
The targets of Islamic terrorists arent random, they are going after specific nationalities and countries, countries they feel have oppressed them in their own homelands, so they have brought the war and their aggression to those shores. Not trying to justify their actions just stating the facts.

Exactly. Have their ever been islamic terrorist acts in China? Japan? South America? Central America? etc. etc.

The terrorists made it clear they would attack those helped the US in the war on terror (in Iraq).

They hit Spain, and sadly, Spain pulled out of Iraq (scoring a "victory" to the terrorists).

Now they hit London.

 

[Flyer1015]

It is utterly amazing that one side of this debate has so controlled the language that we can't see or speak the truth. That truth is one is not profiled based on who he is - he is profiled based on who the terrorists are.

Then how exactly will you profile based on who the terrorists are? It's not like a terrorist will walk around a cafe with an "I Heart Al-Qaeda" t-shirt...

Especially considering the fact that terrorists are smart, and will do all they can to blend in. Consider those 3 british citizens... they were born there, probably spoke english with no accent, etc. etc. etc.

See my previous posts.

 

[kmox29]

STOP saying middle eastern. What happened in London was done by three British citizens originally from PAKISTAN and PAKISTAN IS NOT PART OF THE MIDDLE EAST. Please get you geography together man.

I was posting that after reading the news report from the AP. I profoundly apologize to you for horribly insulting you and your Atlas. You can relax now. I will include Pakistan in my personal profiling database. But be rest assured, I will never think of Pakistan as located in the Middle East "man".

 

[JimNtexas]

Why do conservatives always assume that anyone who doesn’t look like them must be a terrorist, while they blindly ignore the thousands of acts of terrorism that were committed by white males? (The IRA)

Oh yes, the IRA has hijacked hundreds, well dozens, well so they've never hijacked an airliner. Maybe they will next week, so let's let that Arab pass TSA and shake down that geeky white guy with the thick glasses.

Funny you mention the IRA. The Brits had to fight them for how long before they gave up on terror bombing? Did the Brits ever whine about an "exit strategy" from Northern Ireland? If todays liberals had been in charge of fighting the IRA, the IRA would own all of Ireland by now.

 

[FlyingDawg]

TERRORIST ALERT (Sorry I couldn't resist)

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[Black Water Dog]

Then how exactly will you profile based on who the terrorists are? It's not like a terrorist will walk around a cafe with an "I Heart Al-Qaeda" t-shirt...

Assuming you are male (for sake of example) - last time you saw the doctor did you get a breast cancer exam? You are male, you didn't get the test. Congratulations, you have just been profiled. My guess is, you don't complain much about that. OTOH, a female gets the test. Doesn't mean that she has it, but those odds are much higher than yours. It's not about accusing her of having the disease, it is about having the courage and determination to be adult about the realities of the world. Not about living in some egalitarian dreamworld where past experiences and history are blithely dismissed, and absolutely no one must be inconvenienced or offended.

 

[gran_fan]

Details details

"Ever wonder why El Al has NEVER had a hijacking? Think maybe it's because they DO profile?"

El al B-707 was kidnapped/hijacked once to algiria in 1968.
and yes, the terrorists were all Middle Eastern men in their 20's or 30's.....
its about time TSA and all the airlines will start profiling.
its working for the israelis, should work just fine here and save the next 9/11.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I wonder if dodgeball will ever be put back in schools.

We used to call it "smear the queer" Before there was P.C. issues. But that was the '70s
Oh well back to your regularly scheduled bitching!
PBR

 

[Flyer1015]

Assuming you are male (for sake of example) - last time you saw the doctor did you get a breast cancer exam? You are male, you didn't get the test. Congratulations, you have just been profiled. My guess is, you don't complain much about that. OTOH, a female gets the test. Doesn't mean that she has it, but those odds are much higher than yours. It's not about accusing her of having the disease, it is about having the courage and determination to be adult about the realities of the world. Not about living in some egalitarian dreamworld where past experiences and history are blithely dismissed, and absolutely no one must be inconvenienced or offended.

There is a fine line between 'profiling' for breast cancer in women and profiling all people (brown) who look anything close to middle eastern. Besides, that's a bad analogy, because even women choose to have a breat exam (it's an option, not a law).

and save the next 9/11.

We have already closed the barn door after the horse left. In fact, we've reallly closed that door!

Any passenger(s) that try anything stupid in an airplane will have the living sh*t beat out of them by others.

Our concern should be more towards better security screening of baggage, and closing DUMB loopholes in the aviation system. "Sorry sir, you can't take that plastic fork and knife with you through this checkpoint... " WTF?!? There's Burger King right inside the terminal where you could get that stuff.

Another loophole: NOT matching the passenger name on the boarding pass and the actual passenger when boarding the airplane. Theoretically, once you're through the airport security, you can get on any flight as long as you have a boarding pass, even if it's under someone else's name.

And again, punishing the over $1 billion muslims in the world simply due to the actions of a few of them is crazy. If you're gonna profile them, then why stop there? It's already been shown that, proportionately, there are more black people incarcerated than white people for various crimes. Should we start profiling them (cough cough.. LAPD.. cough)?

The answer is no.

It isn't fair to start punishing an entire race of people because a couple of them do crazy stuff. Btw, how did that Japanese internment camp idea work out?

 

[kmox29]

We used to call it "smear the queer" Before there was P.C. issues. But that was the '70s
PBR

FYI, I laughed my arse off at that because even in the '90s, we called it that. Just had to do it under your breath. I am still laughing at it now, but I have been drinking a lot of Captain Morgan/Cokes tonight

 

[Black Water Dog]

There is a fine line between 'profiling' for breast cancer in women and profiling all people (brown) who look anything close to middle eastern. Besides, that's a bad analogy, because even women choose to have a breat exam (it's an option, not a law).

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Our concern should be more towards better security screening of baggage, and closing DUMB loopholes in the aviation system. "Sorry sir, you can't take that plastic fork and knife with you through this checkpoint... " WTF?!? There's Burger King right inside the terminal where you could get that stuff.

... Btw, how did that Japanese internment camp idea work out?

The medical example is no fine line at all - obseved outcomes, sensible precaution. Magic bullet? No, the best you can hope for is to increase the odds of detection.

On the TSA stuff, I would agree with you. The government created a monster that seems to thrive on idiocy. But then again, their goal seems to be reassuring the travelling public more than being effective. Airline management is probably deeply regretting turning over this function to the government.

As to the Japanese internment, I would have to say that the idea was necessary at the time. Since there were no problems with sabotage along the west coast during those years it appears to have been very effective. Easy to second guess 60+ years later, especially since you can't prove a negative.