Profiling

[kmox29]

My post was not meant to offend anyone. If you have been offended, you need to learn to relax. I honestly don't care who you are or what you look like...until you continually come to my house and kick my dog every week. Then I begin to get suspicious. Furthermore, if a large group of Middle Eastern males in their 20s and 30s are the ones kicking my dog every week, I would expect the cops to be a little more concerned with that ethnic group.

Look, in America, you are not allowed to be searched by law enforcement without reasonable cause. EXCEPT in airports. In U.S. airports, citizens instantly give up that right. But profiling would hurt feelings. WTF

 

[BlackPilot628]

aww, poor baby. got a little bit of a complex about being a black pilot? maybe you should go play basketball so nobody will pick on you.

try just being a PILOT and drop the black complex. You're giving the rest of the black guys a bad rap.

Shut up you Tool. Find another Joke to b!tch about. If you can't take jokes, you're in the wrong business.

 

[superrav]

What are the alternatives?? Your going to have to do some sort of profiling...it sucks but thats the way it is. If they had profiled on 9/11 we wouldnt be where we are now...And i know some of the airport security personel we're suspicious..but not enough to profile...only if they had.

 

[ETOPS-787]

kmox29

STOP saying middle eastern. What happened in London was done by three British citizens originally from PAKISTAN and PAKISTAN IS NOT PART OF THE MIDDLE EAST. Please get you geography together man.

 

[Flyer1015]

Start profiling anyone that looks brown?

Do you know how many brown people there are in world, flying every day? Just going by the definition of "being brown," you're including many in the middle east, Pakistan/India, southeast Asia... that's what? At least 40% of the world population?

If the US starts to openly profile all brown people, then everything that this country was built on, and its values, go right down the hole. What will it be? The land of the free, free press, free right to speech, free everything.... as long as you're not brown.

Do you realize that many brown people that you see wearing turbans aren't even muslim? They're a totally different religion, and they're called sikhs.

Yes, there are some brown guys that are bad. But there are sooooo many others who are decent, outstanding citizens... not just in the US but all across the world.

"Punishing" an entire race of people for the actions of a few lunatics is pure lunacy itself. Remember the Japanese internment camps? Was that fair?

And btw, I think those 3 terrorists that have been caputred... they're actually British citizens, born in the UK. Their background (parents) were Pakistani.

 

[atrdriver]

Start profiling anyone that looks brown?

Do you know how many brown people there are in world, flying every day? Just going by the definition of "being brown," you're including many in the middle east, Pakistan/India, southeast Asia... that's what? At least 40% of the world population?

If the US starts to openly profile all brown people, then everything that this country was built on, and its values, go right down the hole. What will it be? The land of the free, free press, free right to speech, free everything.... as long as you're not brown.

Do you realize that many brown people that you see wearing turbans aren't even muslim? They're a totally different religion, and they're called sikhs.

Yes, there are some brown guys that are bad. But there are sooooo many others who are decent, outstanding citizens... not just in the US but all across the world.

"Punishing" an entire race of people for the actions of a few lunatics is pure lunacy itself. Remember the Japanese internment camps? Was that fair?

And btw, I think those 3 terrorists that have been caputred... they're actually British citizens, born in the UK. Their background (parents) were Pakistani.

Yeah, that pretty much covers it. If "brown" people are commiting 95% of worldwide terrorism, then profile "brown" people. Do you remember when crewmembers started haveing to go through security everywhere? That, as I remember, was one of the by products of the ex Fed-Ex guy who hijacked the Fed-Ex plane. So they started profiling pilots.

Yes, there are many many more fine upstanding "brown" people in the world than there are that commit acts of terror. But that's just really too bad, isn't it? But the fact remains that the VAST majority of terrorist acts in the last 20 years have been committed by "middle eastern" males, or those who "look" middle eastern. As long as that is the case, then we need to profile them.

 

[s.o.sJTB]

Thats right 4 BRITS blew up the london underground. Born and Raised in Britain, none were Middle-Eastern (they were of Pakistani descent, you know one of our closest allies in the war on terror!), and one was from JAMAICAN descent.
Most suicide bombing are committed by the Thamil Tigers, they are not Muslim and not Middle Eastern amd they not only invented the suicide vest but have carried out way more suicide bombings than any other group.
Its funny I can go down to my local Irish Pub and see a whole wall honoring the IRA and IRA terrorist bombers, Imagine a Middle Eastern deli homoring the PLO and Palestinean bombers.
Oh well I gues there is some truth to the old saying "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!"
As far as profiling goes most Americans are to ignorant of other religons, races, and cultures to do an effective job, they would just round up all the "brown skinned ragheads" mostly harrasing Indians and Sikhs. Most of our own CIA agent focusing on Mid-East terror couldnt tell the difference between the various sects of Islam or know of even the history of any of the internal conflicts they may share,

 

[Flyer1015]

Yeah, that pretty much covers it. If "brown" people are commiting 95% of worldwide terrorism, then profile "brown" people. Do you remember when crewmembers started haveing to go through security everywhere? That, as I remember, was one of the by products of the ex Fed-Ex guy who hijacked the Fed-Ex plane. So they started profiling pilots.

Yes, there are many many more fine upstanding "brown" people in the world than there are that commit acts of terror. But that's just really too bad, isn't it? But the fact remains that the VAST majority of terrorist acts in the last 20 years have been committed by "middle eastern" males, or those who "look" middle eastern. As long as that is the case, then we need to profile them.

First, I appreciate that you kept cool about the whole topic, and didn't go off calling me a crazy liberal or something

Are you sure it was the Fedex incident that caused all crew members to go through security? I thought it was that US Airways or PSA employee who was in a BAE-146... he got fired, so while on the plane, he shot his boss, the two pilots, and then crashed the plane. I believe that was the one.

Any way, I can certainly appreciate your viewpoint, and don't get me wrong, I can see where you are coming from.

However, as with any political topic, there are both sides who believe in different things.

 

[atrdriver]

Thats right 4 BRITS blew up the london underground. Born and Raised in Britain, none were Middle-Eastern (they were of Pakistani descent, you know one of our closest allies in the war on terror!), and one was from JAMAICAN descent.
Most suicide bombing are committed by the Thamil Tigers, they are not Muslim and not Middle Eastern amd they not only invented the suicide vest but have carried out way more suicide bombings than any other group.
Its funny I can go down to my local Irish Pub and see a whole wall honoring the IRA and IRA terrorist bombers, Imagine a Middle Eastern deli homoring the PLO and Palestinean bombers.
Oh well I gues there is some truth to the old saying "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!"
As far as profiling goes most Americans are to ignorant of other religons, races, and cultures to do an effective job, they would just round up all the "brown skinned ragheads" mostly harrasing Indians and Sikhs. Most of our own CIA agent focusing on Mid-East terror couldnt tell the difference between the various sects of Islam or know of even the history of any of the internal conflicts they may share,

And again I ask, how many acts of terror did the IRA commit outside of the British Isles? They were not out to kill everyone in the world that wasn't Irish Catholic. I'm not condoning what the IRA did, but there is a difference between them and Islamic terrorists.

 

[Flyer1015]

Thats right 4 BRITS blew up the london underground. Born and Raised in Britain, none were Middle-Eastern (they were of Pakistani descent, you know one of our closest allies in the war on terror!), and one was from JAMAICAN descent.
Most suicide bombing are committed by the Thamil Tigers, they are not Muslim and not Middle Eastern amd they not only invented the suicide vest but have carried out way more suicide bombings than any other group.
Its funny I can go down to my local Irish Pub and see a whole wall honoring the IRA and IRA terrorist bombers, Imagine a Middle Eastern deli homoring the PLO and Palestinean bombers.
Oh well I gues there is some truth to the old saying "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!"
As far as profiling goes most Americans are to ignorant of other religons, races, and cultures to do an effective job, they would just round up all the "brown skinned ragheads" mostly harrasing Indians and Sikhs. Most of our own CIA agent focusing on Mid-East terror couldnt tell the difference between the various sects of Islam or know of even the history of any of the internal conflicts they may share,

Ditto to everything. But remeber that Pakistan's President Musharrif has helped and they have caputred many top level al - Qaeda players. How many times has it been on tv that we hear that, "so and so al qaeda operative was captured by Pakistani autorities?"

 

[s.o.sJTB]

But the fact remains that the VAST majority of terrorist acts in the last 20 years have been committed by "middle eastern" males, or those who "look" middle eastern. As long as that is the case, then we need to profile them.

Where do you get those facts??? Where did you do your research on world wide terrorist attacks? Or are you just speaking with no real research or data to back up your "facts". Do you just listen to the radio and spout off the facts that some right wing loudmouth on the AM dial, or have you actually did some investigating to back up your misguided accusations? I will say that most terrorist attacks commited by Islamic Fascists tend to be more spectacular, yet most deaths and acts of terror are perpetrated by groups with non Islamic agendas and they are not of Mid-Eastern descent, but most dont know that in the U.S. since thats not what FOX says.

 

[Flyer1015]

And again I ask, how many acts of terror did the IRA commit outside of the British Isles? They were not out to kill everyone in the world that wasn't Irish Catholic. I'm not condoning what the IRA did, but there is a difference between them and Islamic terrorists.

The goal of these islamic radical terrorists is NOT to kill everyone who isn't muslim.

Ha! They're so insane in their own views, they are killing other muslims everyday in Iraq.... suicide bombers blowing themselves outside of police stations.

They use religion in the name of their political games. PLO wants Palestine free, Israel gone. 9/11 attacks came out with a message in those anhtrax letters.... death to America, death to Israel.


These terrorists are all political... they don't like our foreign policy, they don't like Israel, they don't like us helping Israel, and they don't like our troops in the middle east.

 

[Black Water Dog]

It is utterly amazing that one side of this debate has so controlled the language that we can't see or speak the truth. That truth is one is not profiled based on who he is - he is profiled based on who the terrorists are.

 

[s.o.sJTB]

And again I ask, how many acts of terror did the IRA commit outside of the British Isles? They were not out to kill everyone in the world that wasn't Irish Catholic. I'm not condoning what the IRA did, but there is a difference between them and Islamic terrorists.

The IRA didnt need to focus there agression outside of the British Isles, the British were the only ones they felt were oppressing them, dosent make since for the IRA to bomb Spain now does it?
The targets of Islamic terrorists arent random, they are going after specific nationalities and countries, countries they feel have oppressed them in their own homelands, so they have brought the war and their aggression to those shores. Not trying to justify their actions just stating the facts.

 

[Flyer1015]

The IRA didnt need to focus there agression outside of the British Isles, the British were the only ones they felt were oppressing them, dosent make since for the IRA to bomb Spain now does it?
The targets of Islamic terrorists arent random, they are going after specific nationalities and countries, countries they feel have oppressed them in their own homelands, so they have brought the war and their aggression to those shores. Not trying to justify their actions just stating the facts.

Exactly. Have their ever been islamic terrorist acts in China? Japan? South America? Central America? etc. etc.

The terrorists made it clear they would attack those helped the US in the war on terror (in Iraq).

They hit Spain, and sadly, Spain pulled out of Iraq (scoring a "victory" to the terrorists).

Now they hit London.

 

[Flyer1015]

It is utterly amazing that one side of this debate has so controlled the language that we can't see or speak the truth. That truth is one is not profiled based on who he is - he is profiled based on who the terrorists are.

Then how exactly will you profile based on who the terrorists are? It's not like a terrorist will walk around a cafe with an "I Heart Al-Qaeda" t-shirt...

Especially considering the fact that terrorists are smart, and will do all they can to blend in. Consider those 3 british citizens... they were born there, probably spoke english with no accent, etc. etc. etc.

See my previous posts.

 

[kmox29]

STOP saying middle eastern. What happened in London was done by three British citizens originally from PAKISTAN and PAKISTAN IS NOT PART OF THE MIDDLE EAST. Please get you geography together man.

I was posting that after reading the news report from the AP. I profoundly apologize to you for horribly insulting you and your Atlas. You can relax now. I will include Pakistan in my personal profiling database. But be rest assured, I will never think of Pakistan as located in the Middle East "man".

 

[JimNtexas]

Why do conservatives always assume that anyone who doesn’t look like them must be a terrorist, while they blindly ignore the thousands of acts of terrorism that were committed by white males? (The IRA)

Oh yes, the IRA has hijacked hundreds, well dozens, well so they've never hijacked an airliner. Maybe they will next week, so let's let that Arab pass TSA and shake down that geeky white guy with the thick glasses.

Funny you mention the IRA. The Brits had to fight them for how long before they gave up on terror bombing? Did the Brits ever whine about an "exit strategy" from Northern Ireland? If todays liberals had been in charge of fighting the IRA, the IRA would own all of Ireland by now.

 

[FlyingDawg]

TERRORIST ALERT (Sorry I couldn't resist)

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[Black Water Dog]

Then how exactly will you profile based on who the terrorists are? It's not like a terrorist will walk around a cafe with an "I Heart Al-Qaeda" t-shirt...

Assuming you are male (for sake of example) - last time you saw the doctor did you get a breast cancer exam? You are male, you didn't get the test. Congratulations, you have just been profiled. My guess is, you don't complain much about that. OTOH, a female gets the test. Doesn't mean that she has it, but those odds are much higher than yours. It's not about accusing her of having the disease, it is about having the courage and determination to be adult about the realities of the world. Not about living in some egalitarian dreamworld where past experiences and history are blithely dismissed, and absolutely no one must be inconvenienced or offended.