PNCL: Class personified!! wow., just wow

[bri5150]

bri, it doesn't matter what you actually bid in a status and category system, it matters what you could hold. They figure out the number of slots that each category should have, and then put people in those slots based upon an assumption that every pilot would bid for the highest category. What you're actually currently bidding doesn't matter.

Thank you, that makes more sense.

 

[LanceAir]

And I'm surprised no one has said this yet: the Colgan merger committee just made a stupid decision by publishing these final stands 5 days before the final award comes out.

The overall tone sounds heavily on the "we were at least kinda fair, the other two (xj and 9e) were just waay out there with their ideas!" It has done NOTHING but create animosity, stir up emotions, and create a bad environment. Honestly, we don't need this. Colgan shouldn't have published this. Mesaba and Pinnacle were mature enough not to do it, Colgan should have too. Had they listened to Bloch, they wouldn't have done it, though nothing explicitly forbid them from doing so, common sense dictates not to publish this before the Bloch award. Historically, arbitrators put in their award the methods that each team proposed. This is included in the history/background explanation for the SLI by the arbitrator. By Colgan saying that they wanted this information out before the final award, so pilots can see what the positions are, I ask them, "why?" The positions WILL be posted in the final SLI document by Bloch. If you want to read it, simply start reading from page 1, and you will see the history/background/method of all 3 regionals BEFORE you get to the final SLI award.

Bad move, Colgan merger committee.

Well, maybe the CJC merger committee didn't have anything to hide?
It sounds like you might be embarrassed about your merger committee.
Maybe the CJCMC thought that the truth is what it is...the truth!

If it is going to be published in the final award, what is your heartburn over the CJC merger committee informing it's pilots about something that is already done, and will be reported on in a couple days?

It was released to inform CJC pilots, not for fodder on FI.

 

[snap145]

you XJ guys are always so quick to jump the gun and stab our 200 operation and claim "if we dont get our act together Delta's gonna ax it"...id like to think you are smarter than that...THIS IS NOT FREEDOM...its not 20 airplanes its over 100 50 seaters!!!..who is gonna compensate for that..ASA?? HA!...no offense Acey guys but I know you dont have the staffing or airframes for that...and if this is the case you should be just as afraid of that outcome as it now holds your fate too...last summer 9E management made the all time greatest f-up in the history of the regionals...in an effort to pinch pennies this airline was so horrifically understaffed most of us were down to 9 or 10 days off a month flying 95+ hour lines...it is not our responsability to staff the airline, forthermore it is not our responsability to properly maintain the aircraft...our 200's are the newest in the industry...and it is completley out of our hands if the dispatch reliability goes down...its just completley arrogant and irrational to place this on the back of the 9E pilot group...PS...just wait...it will happen to your "stable" 900 operation too...

 

[Flyprdu]

Well, maybe the CJC merger committee didn't have anything to hide?
It sounds like you might be embarrassed about your merger committee.
Maybe the CJCMC thought that the truth is what it is...the truth!

A more likely scenario is that Pinnacle and Mesaba understood that it would be like throwing a pipebomb into a club. Sheer pandemonium. Tensions are already high, we don't need your MEC children stoking the fires for no reason, whatsoever.

It was released to inform CJC pilots, not for fodder on FI.

Then it's worse than we feared.. they're naive, bordering on ignorant. How could anyone possibly send an email in this day and age, and not expect it to be everywhere within minutes? One of you moderates APC. There were at least 5 of you CJC guys chomping at the bit to post this email in every thread you could find on FI.

Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan thread.. "A Message from the Colgan Air Merger Committee"

Skywest President thread.. "A Message from the Colgan Air Merger Committee"

Freedom Air Questions.. "A Message from the Colgan Air Merger Committee"

So please.. cut the crap.

 

[bri5150]

you XJ guys are always so quick to jump the gun and stab our 200 operation and claim "if we dont get our act together Delta's gonna ax it"...id like to think you are smarter than that...THIS IS NOT FREEDOM...its not 20 airplanes its over 100 50 seaters!!!..who is gonna compensate for that..ASA?? HA!...no offense Acey guys but I know you dont have the staffing or airframes for that...and if this is the case you should be just as afraid of that outcome as it now holds your fate too...last summer 9E management made the all time greatest f-up in the history of the regionals...in an effort to pinch pennies this airline was so horrifically understaffed most of us were down to 9 or 10 days off a month flying 95+ hour lines...it is not our responsability to staff the airline, forthermore it is not our responsability to properly maintain the aircraft...our 200's are the newest in the industry...and it is completley out of our hands if the dispatch reliability goes down...its just completley arrogant and irrational to place this on the back of the 9E pilot group...PS...just wait...it will happen to your "stable" 900 operation too...

Do you have any idea what Delta has said? We are not saying if you don't get your numbers up you/we are going to lose them to another airline. We are saying Delta doesn't want them PERIOD. The fact you have 100+ of them IS the problem. How many total 200's does Delta want? Split that number by what, five airlines? I bet in Delta's world they want a total of less than 100 of them. That's what we are saying. Not that you will lose them to another airline. I bet there is some type of ratio offered (for example 3 200 losses to 1 900/700 airframe from Comair when it is shut down (I honest to god hope Comair doesn't get shut down)) ala ASA's way of getting the 900's destined for Mesaba (which was to prevent furloughs there and caused furloughs at Mesaba, thanks Delta. Oh, and they didn't lose the 200's either. They just flew them over to Vietnam). That is the only way I can see Pinnacolaba retaining some pilot jobs in the coming years. I still don't see how we can retain enough flying for 2,500 pilots, and nobody has came up with an idea on how it's going to happen. If you aren't top 1,000 after SLI, I am pretty sure you should be looking at moving on. Of course, don't make your career decision based on my logic though.

 

[LanceAir]

A more likely scenario is that Pinnacle and Mesaba understood that it would be like throwing a pipebomb into a club. Sheer pandemonium. Tensions are already high, we don't need your MEC children stoking the fires for no reason, whatsoever.

Then it's worse than we feared.. they're naive, bordering on ignorant. How could anyone possibly send an email in this day and age, and not expect it to be everywhere within minutes? One of you moderates APC. There were at least 5 of you CJC guys chomping at the bit to post this email in every thread you could find on FI.

Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan thread.. "A Message from the Colgan Air Merger Committee"

Skywest President thread.. "A Message from the Colgan Air Merger Committee"

Freedom Air Questions.. "A Message from the Colgan Air Merger Committee"

So please.. cut the crap.

NO.

It's not a more likely scenario, the information released is all factual, and your analogy about a pipe bomb a little much...and what is 5 days difference? It is done, over, Bloch has the list on his desk.

I stated it was released to inform CJC pilots, if you took that for nativity about it being discussed on forums, fear not.

Your remark about the CJC MEC is out of line, you shouldn't think yourself so superior...actually I'm sure you wouldn't out from under your keyboard.

The CJC MERGER COMMITTEE released the information, and they did so without distorting any facts, negotiations are over, the award is coming soon, get over it, after all, it's the truth. :smash:

 

[Flyprdu]

NO.

It's not a more likely scenario, the information released is all factual, and your analogy about a pipe bomb a little much...and what is 5 days difference?

Typical. A bunch of teenagers that couldn't hold their loads.

Don't worry, I'll get a towel.

 

[Flyer1015]

It's official, see merger committee update. Bloch has reached is decision and the award is almost complete, due out on or before Friday May 20th.

 

[RJLoser]

Im hearing Colgan upset him by releasing info. Made his decision easy.

 

[bri5150]

It's official, see merger committee update. Bloch has reached is decision and the award is almost complete, due out on or before Friday May 20th.

You can't even state facts from a short email correctly. You make it sound like you were right and know the decision and we are just waiting on the reasoning, when in fact, the decision and award are almost complete. Here is the email:

Today, Mr. Bloch has contacted the three Merger Committee chairmen regarding the Seniority List Integration Decision. He has indicated that his Decision and Award is almost complete and will be released on or before next Friday, May 20.

 

[suupah]

Im hearing Colgan upset him by releasing info. Made his decision easy.

I'm hearing he is awarding honorary seniority #1 to all 9e pilots. Because they are all #1 in his book. They will also receive a plaque of merit for their hard work saving all of our jobs. They will all receive a gold stapler with "simply the best" engraved on the side of it for their valiant fight for what was right and just during SLI.

Meanwhile the actual seniority list will be mix of relative and longevity.

 

[bri5150]

I'm hearing he is awarding honorary seniority #1 to all 9e pilots. Because they are all #1 in his book. They will also receive a plaque of merit for their hard work saving all of our jobs. They will all receive a gold stapler with "simply the best" engraved on the side of it for their valiant fight for what was right and just during SLI.

Meanwhile the actual seniority list will be mix of relative and longevity.

**clap clap clap** Fantastic!!

 

[Flyprdu]

I'm hearing he is awarding honorary seniority #1 to all 9e pilots. Because they are all #1 in his book. They will also receive a plaque of merit for their hard work saving all of our jobs. They will all receive a gold stapler with "simply the best" engraved on the side of it for their valiant fight for what was right and just during SLI.

Meanwhile the actual seniority list will be mix of relative and longevity.

My hat is off to you, sir.

(When do I get my stapler?)

 

[DoinTime]

The CJC MERGER COMMITTEE released the information, and they did so without distorting any facts, negotiations are over, the award is coming soon, get over it, after all, it's the truth.

The facts weren't distorted but they were incomplete. The only thing reported were the final positions but that doesn't give any clue to how the negotiation went. I've been hearing some pretty wild things about what was proposed during the negotiating process. The one that takes the cake was that Mesaba proposed a date of hire integration with both of the other groups but all Mesaba pilots would have their hire dates moved up 5-6 years with 7 year fences that not only encompassed Mesaba flying but also some of Pinnacle's too. This would pretty much staple Colgan and most of Pinnacle and ensure that nobody but former Mesaba pilots would have a chance at advancement.

While the intention from the CJC committee may have been pure, they botched it up big time and put everyone at each others throats.

 

[gojo]

The facts weren't distorted but they were incomplete. The only thing reported were the final positions but that doesn't give any clue to how the negotiation went. I've been hearing some pretty wild things about what was proposed during the negotiating process. The one that takes the cake was that Mesaba proposed a date of hire integration with both of the other groups but all Mesaba pilots would have their hire dates moved up 5-6 years with 7 year fences that not only encompassed Mesaba flying but also some of Pinnacle's too. This would pretty much staple Colgan and most of Pinnacle and ensure that nobody but former Mesaba pilots would have a chance at advancement.

While the intention from the CJC committee may have been pure, they botched it up big time and put everyone at each others throats.

Why do yu feel the need to post things like this? It serves no purpose other than add fuel to the fire.