Plane forced to abort landing in high winds

[BILL LUMBERG]

Well.....first you would have to know what winds he was given before he started the approach and what they were when he was landing......OK, someone make a comment about Delta and "Wind Check"....

Dan, A 5 hour Private student can see the winds were strong and gusty and probably out of limits....calling a spade a spade. Two attempts?

Good joke.....it continues to get lots of mileage....and losing its humor.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

They recently raised our Xwind limit to 40 knots....I was told just so we could utilize ETOPS alternate airports which may have otherwise been bypassed due to winds and added flight time, fuel, ($$$) to the flight. The company sorta put the caveat that best judgement should be used in landing in these conditions.....READ: Unless you got an engine out over a big body of water, don't try this.

 

[CavePilot]

One word...

Pu$$ies

I would have diverted to find an airport with stonger crosswinds.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

One word...

Pu$$ies

I would have diverted to find an airport with stonger crosswinds.

Holy crap....that was good!

 

[scoreboardII]

I guess I don't get it, did they want to see a big smoking hole? But I must ask, do they always go around with the gear hanging?

 

[Full of LUV]

It almost has an "engine failure on a quad jet aircraft that continues its transatlantic crossing (sigh)" feel to it ...

Well EK diverted and landed safely.

BA jet had to declare emergency fuel while crossing the pond and make emergency landing in Manchester I believe.

Your right, EK much more conservative and safe than BA.

 

[overseas boy]

The closest hourly observation for their arrival time show winds westerly at 25G39kts.

Runway is 33/15, the video appears to show them using 33 which would give them a 60 degree wind off set or crosswind component of 22G34kts approx.

Available stop distance for runway 33 is 2100m or 6900ft.

A memorable arrival possibly but appears to be within limits

Scoreboard perhaps, given the conditions, a windshear warning caused the G/A which would preclude config changes till clear of the shear. Just speculation but a possible reason.

 

[kwick]

Have you flown a 777 300ER? I'm guessing not. The recommended Boeing method during a strong crosswind >30kts is to maintain the crab until just prior to touchdown. So you actually start your flare and then about 10 feet above the ground you straighten out the aircraft for touchdown. It can be extremely tricky during gusty conditions. BHX is one of the shortest runways for EK 777 ops. They were probably at MLW (about 550,000lbs) landing on a 2,600m, potentially wet runway.

Looks like they did a very good job and kept the ops safe.

KyBrownBourbn

Just an FYI. The majority of EK pilots are European, British, or North American. Many ex BA, Air Canada, etc, etc.

If you don't use the rudder pedals you shouldn't be surprised that you have to
go around.

 

[Green]

as was mentioned earlier the 777 is certified to land in a crab. It's listed as one of the 3 crosswind landing techniques in the 777 FCTM. Since you don't appear to have flown the 777 maybe you aren't qualified to critique this particular crew.

 

[kwick]

as was mentioned earlier the 777 is certified to land in a crab. It's listed as one of the 3 crosswind landing techniques in the 777 FCTM. Since you don't appear to have flown the 777 maybe you aren't qualified to critique this particular crew.

Why land in a crab, even if the aircraft is stressed to handle it,
when, with basic flying skills, the use of rudder would straighten you
out and allow you to land on the centerline, going straight down the
runway?

If the plane doesn't touch down on the centerline, or starts to drift,
then a go-around would be in order.

Everyone has a different ability and experience level. The pilot flying that approach either was having "A bad day," or really needs to set his
crosswind landing limitations really low.

The "Book," won't tell you that, but experience will.