Plane forced to abort landing in high winds

[scoreboardII]

The closest hourly observation for their arrival time show winds westerly at 25G39kts.

Runway is 33/15, the video appears to show them using 33 which would give them a 60 degree wind off set or crosswind component of 22G34kts approx.

Available stop distance for runway 33 is 2100m or 6900ft.

A memorable arrival possibly but appears to be within limits

Scoreboard perhaps, given the conditions, a windshear warning caused the G/A which would preclude config changes till clear of the shear. Just speculation but a possible reason.

That makes sense.

 

[waveflyer]

Kwick
Get a grip man.
Ever get a windshear warning that mandated a go around in clear air gusty conditions?
The 777 doesn't call for rudder until the round out, so maybe that's what happened. Or maybe coffee spilled on the floor and made the flyer's feet a little slippery?

I agree with the previous poster- why are we talking about a go around? Wtf cares?
Good for the soul as pilots, paid more, and none of us know why-
Anyone die?
Good!
Good call.
I love the pilots who are spring loaded to think everyone sucks but them

Here, want to see some sporty winds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMvLuUJFHYk

Mixed in are a couple go arounds- oh the horror
:-/

 

[fareview]

The Capt is a North American DEC with extensive LHS wide body experience.

He took a look, didn't like, came back later ...and all went to the bar.

This is a non-thread.

fv

 

[kwick]

The Capt is a North American DEC with extensive LHS wide body experience.

He took a look, didn't like, came back later ...and all went to the bar.

This is a non-thread.

fv

Did she used to work for Southwest, up until recently?

 

[Dan Roman]

Did she used to work for Southwest, up until recently?

You are criticizing him without knowing what the hell you are talking about.
Kwick, you come across as one who needs to criticize others to cover your own shortcomings and you obviously have a had time seeing when you are wrong, bad traits for an airline pilot dude.

 

[kwick]

It's hard to believe that guys can get
to this level without knowing how to
do a crosswind landing.

Maybe it's the automation, or
the reliance upon PFT.

 

[Green]

Kwick,

You sound like a dumb@ss. I will say again that Boeing recommends either a decrab or landing IN THE CRAB in severe crosswinds. It is an approved/proven technique. Those pilots were flying exactly by the book. The traditional sideslip (wing low) method runs the risk of striking a nacelle or outboard flap in strong gusts. I can assure you these guys know how to do a crosswind landing.

The 777 300ER is about twice as long as your 737. It's a big plane requiring different handling methods from what you are used to. I'm surprised you made it to your level without learning yet that you might not know everything.

 

[labbats]

They recently raised our Xwind limit to 40 knots....I was told just so we could utilize ETOPS alternate airports which may have otherwise been bypassed due to winds and added flight time, fuel, ($$$) to the flight. The company sorta put the caveat that best judgement should be used in landing in these conditions.....READ: Unless you got an engine out over a big body of water, don't try this.

None of the jets I've flown are certified to a 40kt crosswind. Are they certified to that amount?

If they aren't certified to 40kts how can you have that as a legal alternate?

I ask because I know pretty much zero about heavy jets and ETOPS.

 

[kwick]

Kwick,

You sound like a dumb@ss. I will say again that Boeing recommends either a decrab or landing IN THE CRAB in severe crosswinds. It is an approved/proven technique. Those pilots were flying exactly by the book. The traditional sideslip (wing low) method runs the risk of striking a nacelle or outboard flap in strong gusts. I can assure you these guys know how to do a crosswind landing.

The 777 300ER is about twice as long as your 737. It's a big plane requiring different handling methods from what you are used to. I'm surprised you made it to your level without learning yet that you might not know everything.

Then don't use the rudder to
straighten out, with a wings level
landing.

And keep making "How not to do it"
videos for You Tube!

 

[Green]

Kwick you must know more than the Boeing engineers and test pilots. Again I think you might want to spend some time flying heavies before critiquing those that do.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljOxo0s33sI

 

[kwick]

Kwick you must know more than the Boeing engineers and test pilots. Again I think you might want to spend some time flying heavies before critiquing those that do.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljOxo0s33sI

Thanks for the compliment, and yes
I started flying heavies about twenty
years ago.

When you Assume, you make an
Ass out of, What's that saying again?

 

[kwick]

Try "Handling the Big Jets" by Davies.

It's a good read. Some good techniques!

 

[fareview]

Kwik,

Stop embarrassing yourself.

The max allowable in dry is 45, the max demonstrated in certification was 38.

Plenty of factors you are not considering. To call out a VERY experienced pilot on taking the safest course of action on an aircraft you have absolutely no clue about....is - well - pathetic. The B77W is longer than the 744 (The Captains previous type)

Grow up, and introduce a level of maturity beyond the word "Pucci"

fv

 

[fareview]

Thanks for the compliment, and yes
I started flying heavies about twenty
years ago.

When you Assume, you make an
Ass out of, What's that saying again?

So you started flying heavies 20 years ago...and put every aircraft on your profile except all those heavies?

"Handling the Big jets" - what did you fail the CX interview?

Terrible book.

fv

 

[Green]

Try "Handling the Big Jets" by Davies.

It's a good read. Some good techniques!

Try reading the Boeing 777 Flight Crew Training manual....It contains more pertinent information to landing the triple seven in a crosswind. You can't win this argument. But kudos for trying.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

None of the jets I've flown are certified to a 40kt crosswind. Are they certified to that amount?

If they aren't certified to 40kts how can you have that as a legal alternate?

I ask because I know pretty much zero about heavy jets and ETOPS.

The key is Max "Demonstrated". Boeing says that as a baseline but tested crosswinds in certification at speeds much higher at KEF and elsewhere with success. The individual airline must petition the POI and get the training program changed and syllabus adjusted and the rubber stamp follows.

 

[petitepilot]

KWIK = Knobhead Without Intelligent Knowledge

 

[8sugarsugar]

It is hilarious that the Emirates guys are getting more criticism for safely commencing a go around at the right airport...than the Atlas guys that landed at the completely wrong airport........

Its amazing reading the Atlas thread, "oh, its easy to do that" or "it can and will happen to you someday"

I'm sorry, but landing a modern glass cockpit aircraft at the wrong airport is 100% pure incompetence and 100% pure lack of airmanship and those guys should have all their certificates revoked and the training program at Atlas should have a severe audit by the FAA.

 

[WSurf]

Jeezz..... Really?????????? All you folks would do the same thing if your FO at the last minute decided to yell, "Holy Crap we're at the wrong Airport!"

 

[Capn Butthead]

I once landed a fully loaded plane with 789 people on a aircraft carrier at night with a 80 knot crosswind. I didn't even ask for a wind check...rolled it on. Then went to the bar with all of my hot flight attendants where they all bought me a drink...met two hookers who paid me because they knew who the cap'n was...all while wearing my hat...and my Dos Equis in hand.

 

[Dieterly]

From The Boeing FCTM:

Touchdown In Crab

The aircraft can land using crab only (zero side slip) up to the landing crosswind limit speeds. On dry runways, upon touchdown the aircraft tracks toward the upwind edge of the runway while de-crabbing to align with the runway. Immediate upwind aileron is needed to ensure that the wings remain level while rudder is needed to track the runway centreline. The greater the amount of crab at touchdown, the larger the lateral deviation from the point of touchdown. For this reason, touchdown in a crab only condition is not recommended when landing on a dry runway in strong crosswinds.

On very slippery runways, landing the aircraft using crab only reduces drift toward the downwind side at touchdown and permits rapid operation of spoilers and autobrakes, because the main gear touchdown simultaneously. This may reduce pilot workload since the aircraft does not have to be de-crabbed before touchdown. However, proper rudder and upwind aileron must be applied after touchdown to ensure that directional control is maintained.

 

[sniper]

The Capt is a North American DEC with extensive LHS wide body experience.

He took a look, didn't like, came back later ...and all went to the bar.

This is a non-thread.

fv

still hiring DECs?

how about upgrading all those rj Fos who went there and now are flying the heavies

?????
FT3

 

[8sugarsugar]

still hiring DECs?

how about upgrading all those rj Fos who went there and now are flying the heavies

?????
FT3

Still working at Mesa?

Just think Sniper, if you wouldn't have failed your Emirates interview you would have been a 777 Captain by now.

 

[sniper]

Still working at Mesa?

Just think Sniper, if you wouldn't have failed your Emirates interview you would have been a 777 Captain by now.

never did and never applied at both

keep s..... d....

allah is great? for you ?

maybe I should apply for a DEC ,,,,your thoughts.......but as a 51 single male
cant afford the paycut ...so i better stay in the US and at DL
Detroit is great

Next time you cross 30W CPDLC Gandor Allah is great...if i remember correct its been a while thats when you contact Gandor

BTW Delta is hiring, have you applied? we even have a new MEC chair, a good friend based here in DTW , I will ask him to help you
FT3

 

[8sugarsugar]

never did and never applied at both

keep s..... d....

allah is great? for you ?

maybe I should apply for a DEC ,,,,your thoughts.......but as a 51 single male
cant afford the paycut ...so i better stay in the US and at DL
Detroit is great

Next time you cross 30W CPDLC Gandor Allah is great...if i remember correct its been a while thats when you contact Gandor

BTW Delta is hiring, have you applied? we even have a new MEC chair, a good friend based here in DTW , I will ask him to help you
FT3

you don't work for Delta.....no one believes you

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Where precisely is Gandor?

Oh yes- next to Mordor, who also have CPDLC.

 

[sniper]

you don't work for Delta.....no one believes you

just applied at emirates
delta does not pay enough
i want to be like you flying the heavies

can you help

 

[8sugarsugar]

just applied at emirates
delta does not pay enough
i want to be like you flying the heavies

can you help

sorry you are not qualified, they require previous Airbus or Boeing time. Mesa does not operate either.

 

[Varmint]

never did and never applied at both

keep s..... d....

allah is great? for you ?

maybe I should apply for a DEC ,,,,your thoughts.......but as a 51 single male
cant afford the paycut ...so i better stay in the US and at DL
Detroit is great

Next time you cross 30W CPDLC Gandor Allah is great...if i remember correct its been a while thats when you contact Gandor

BTW Delta is hiring, have you applied? we even have a new MEC chair, a good friend based here in DTW , I will ask him to help you
FT3

It's Gander not Gandor.

Delta has a college degree requirement and so did Northwest. You can't even spell so you didn't get hired by either of them. Emirates, China, Kalitta all probably didn't hire you because you are a bigot and can't even qualify for an ELP level 4......Totally Mesa.

 

[dicko]

It's Gander not Gandor.

Delta has a college degree requirement and so did Northwest. You can't even spell so you didn't get hired by either of them. Emirates, China, Kalitta all probably didn't hire you because you are a bigot and can't even qualify for an ELP level 4......Totally Mesa.

Fun historical fact -

When the chubby bald man started Mesa, his intention was to name the airline 'Mensa'. Unfortunately the spelling was challenging and the application to the FAA read 'Mesa'.

One of the many ironies of aviation that only I am privy to.