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DUBLINFLYER

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06 December 2013

http://www.independent.ie/world-new...-to-abort-landing-in-high-winds-29816503.html


A pilot trying to land a plane at Birmingham Airport was forced to abort the manoeuvre at the last moment due to heavy winds.

The Emirates flight from Dubai was due to touch down yesterday at 11.50am

Meanwhile a separate Flybe flight from Jersey, due to land at the same time, was diverted to East Midlands Airport because of the same problem.
 
DUBLINFLYER said:
06 December 2013

http://www.independent.ie/world-new...-to-abort-landing-in-high-winds-29816503.html


A pilot trying to land a plane at Birmingham Airport was forced to abort the manoeuvre at the last moment due to heavy winds.

The Emirates flight from Dubai was due to touch down yesterday at 11.50am

Meanwhile a separate Flybe flight from Jersey, due to land at the same time, was diverted to East Midlands Airport because of the same problem.
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Nice go around. Great judgment. No drama. Be safe.
 
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Saw it on TV multiple times today, BFD! It's what we get paid to do! I don't fly the "Big Boys" but what is the "Demonstrated crosswind limitation" of the type (think it was a 76 but video I saw was grainy.)? Was wondering if hand flying would've made a difference. don't know about that carrier but some of the foreign carriers pilots are not known to have the best piloting abilities! (Ie. San Fran a few months ago!)

Later,
KBB
 
Media: A plane narrowly avoided disaster - possibly killings thousands of passengers and people on the ground and possibly inciting a global meltdown from the post crash fire.

Pilots: Yawn, yeah, we went around.
 
Emirates and flybe go to Birmingham?
Am I missing something?
 
kwick said:
? It looked like a private pilot making his first crosswind landing.

He needed to use the rudder to straighten out, and put it on the ground!
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Have you flown a 777 300ER? I'm guessing not. The recommended Boeing method during a strong crosswind >30kts is to maintain the crab until just prior to touchdown. So you actually start your flare and then about 10 feet above the ground you straighten out the aircraft for touchdown. It can be extremely tricky during gusty conditions. BHX is one of the shortest runways for EK 777 ops. They were probably at MLW (about 550,000lbs) landing on a 2,600m, potentially wet runway.

Looks like they did a very good job and kept the ops safe.

KyBrownBourbn

Just an FYI. The majority of EK pilots are European, British, or North American. Many ex BA, Air Canada, etc, etc.
 
Ky.BrownBourbn said:
Saw it on TV multiple times today, BFD! It's what we get paid to do! I don't fly the "Big Boys" but what is the "Demonstrated crosswind limitation" of the type (think it was a 76 but video I saw was grainy.)? Was wondering if hand flying would've made a difference. don't know about that carrier but some of the foreign carriers pilots are not known to have the best piloting abilities! (Ie. San Fran a few months ago!)

Later,
KBB
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What makes you think he wasn't hand flying? Looked like a perfect approach and the skills to see that the wind was not going to allow a safe touchdown. As far as "foreign" airline pilots go, never heard of an EK Captain grabbing the yoke during the landing and hammer the nosewheel on to the ground and destroy and aircraft.... glass houses dude. SFO at least has the highly likely scenario that extreme fatigue due to 10 hours of IOE was a reason, so not necessarily a bad pilot. No I am not slamming your airline, they are just as good as anyone else. But if you think you are better then them you are wrong (Unless you are talking about some third world airlines that I can think of, yes you are better than them!)
 
So why even attempt it??

..why not divert before getting there. Just askin' I wasn't there, but anything like that out of limits would warrant a simple approach and landing to the alternate.
 
BILL LUMBERG said:
So why even attempt it??

..why not divert before getting there. Just askin' I wasn't there, but anything like that out of limits would warrant a simple approach and landing to the alternate.
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Well.....first you would have to know what winds he was given before he started the approach and what they were when he was landing......OK, someone make a comment about Delta and "Wind Check"....:)
 
Dan Roman said:
Yes, not Alabama. You trying to give the General an opening about SWA pilots and international flying?:)
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I clearly have to work on my flame
Looks like a fun day
How it's news I don't know
I'm pretty sure we all get one close to this a few times a year
 
kwick said:
? It looked like a private pilot making his first crosswind landing.

He needed to use the rudder to straighten out, and put it on the ground!
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Right! Never go around! It's unmanly! The most important thing in any landing is that no one make fun of you later that couldn't step up to the double-dog-dare.
 
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Dan Roman said:
Well.....first you would have to know what winds he was given before he started the approach and what they were when he was landing......OK, someone make a comment about Delta and "Wind Check"....:)
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Dan, A 5 hour Private student can see the winds were strong and gusty and probably out of limits....calling a spade a spade. Two attempts?

Good joke.....it continues to get lots of mileage....and losing its humor.
 
They recently raised our Xwind limit to 40 knots....I was told just so we could utilize ETOPS alternate airports which may have otherwise been bypassed due to winds and added flight time, fuel, ($$$) to the flight. The company sorta put the caveat that best judgement should be used in landing in these conditions.....READ: Unless you got an engine out over a big body of water, don't try this.
 
I guess I don't get it, did they want to see a big smoking hole? But I must ask, do they always go around with the gear hanging?
 
Dornier 335 said:
It almost has an "engine failure on a quad jet aircraft that continues its transatlantic crossing (sigh)" feel to it ...
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Well EK diverted and landed safely.

BA jet had to declare emergency fuel while crossing the pond and make emergency landing in Manchester I believe.

Your right, EK much more conservative and safe than BA.
 
The closest hourly observation for their arrival time show winds westerly at 25G39kts.

Runway is 33/15, the video appears to show them using 33 which would give them a 60 degree wind off set or crosswind component of 22G34kts approx.

Available stop distance for runway 33 is 2100m or 6900ft.

A memorable arrival possibly but appears to be within limits

Scoreboard perhaps, given the conditions, a windshear warning caused the G/A which would preclude config changes till clear of the shear. Just speculation but a possible reason.
 
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Green said:
Have you flown a 777 300ER? I'm guessing not. The recommended Boeing method during a strong crosswind >30kts is to maintain the crab until just prior to touchdown. So you actually start your flare and then about 10 feet above the ground you straighten out the aircraft for touchdown. It can be extremely tricky during gusty conditions. BHX is one of the shortest runways for EK 777 ops. They were probably at MLW (about 550,000lbs) landing on a 2,600m, potentially wet runway.

Looks like they did a very good job and kept the ops safe.

KyBrownBourbn

Just an FYI. The majority of EK pilots are European, British, or North American. Many ex BA, Air Canada, etc, etc.
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If you don't use the rudder pedals you shouldn't be surprised that you have to
go around.
 
as was mentioned earlier the 777 is certified to land in a crab. It's listed as one of the 3 crosswind landing techniques in the 777 FCTM. Since you don't appear to have flown the 777 maybe you aren't qualified to critique this particular crew.
 
Green said:
as was mentioned earlier the 777 is certified to land in a crab. It's listed as one of the 3 crosswind landing techniques in the 777 FCTM. Since you don't appear to have flown the 777 maybe you aren't qualified to critique this particular crew.
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Why land in a crab, even if the aircraft is stressed to handle it,
when, with basic flying skills, the use of rudder would straighten you
out and allow you to land on the centerline, going straight down the
runway?

If the plane doesn't touch down on the centerline, or starts to drift,
then a go-around would be in order.

Everyone has a different ability and experience level. The pilot flying that approach either was having "A bad day," or really needs to set his
crosswind landing limitations really low.

The "Book," won't tell you that, but experience will.
 

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