Pinnacle gets TA

[samballs]

They'll vote yes just to vote yes. Have u ever met a PNCL pilot

 

[PCL_128]

Just found out that pay raises are only 1% and capped at industry average. To me, this is the biggest failure of the TA, and I would vote NO simply on that basis if I were still at Pinnacle. We will never improve the lives of regional pilots if they can't at least get a COLA raise.

 

[20sx]

From what I've heard about the TA, I really don't expect the MEC to approve it. COLA's that don't even pretend to keep up with inflation, ridiculous. Sad, the FO's would see an immediate improvement in their quality of life just based on the hourly rate going up. I wonder how long it would take to redo this contract? Would it be cost efficient to have to live with the old contract for another 2 years?

 

[OCP]

Probably better than living with this TA for 5(!) years. Maybe if it was only 2 or something. Even mesa's is only 2.
And if the PCL pilot group would get together on this it wouldn't last 2 years. When ASA decided to fly the safest airplanes in the industy and follow the FOM to the letter, it took 2 weeks to TA our contract. But you can't be the most on time airline and expect mgt to just reward you for your efforts.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Just found out that pay raises are only 1% and capped at industry average. To me, this is the biggest failure of the TA, and I would vote NO simply on that basis if I were still at Pinnacle. We will never improve the lives of regional pilots if they can't at least get a COLA raise.

Doesn't sound like they "took it back"...Quick...get Prater on the phone!

 

[i fly boxes]

Probably better than living with this TA for 5(!) years. Maybe if it was only 2 or something. Even mesa's is only 2.
And if the PCL pilot group would get together on this it wouldn't last 2 years. When ASA decided to fly the safest airplanes in the industy and follow the FOM to the letter, it took 2 weeks to TA our contract. But you can't be the most on time airline and expect mgt to just reward you for your efforts.

It took you guys 5 years to get to that point so stop pretending like you are the greatest pilot group ever. What were you doing the previous 4 years?

 

[73belair]

It took you guys 5 years to get to that point so stop pretending like you are the greatest pilot group ever. What were you doing the previous 4 years?

Nothing! That is the point! NO ONE IS PRETENDING ANYTHING. The ASA pilot group was weak as he!! for years, but at that time the industry was nothing like it is today. I want offer advice on what PCL could do if they wanted to. What I'm telling you is that when ASA actually got together (over 5 years later!) it took no time to get things done. I know PCL will pass this crap. And more than anything I think that ALPA has failed if they actually let this pass. I want to hope that PCL's MEC will reject this before it gets a vote, but I doubt it. Mesa was bad enough, but "take it back?" Come on. If you take this crap then what? 5 freaking years! Only 1% increase in pay!? No flight/duty rigs? 75% deadhead pay? What??? You have 122+ 200's. What is the pay raise for them? (16 900s?). A 2 year FO at ASA makes a low wage of $35. PCL?

 

[20sx]

From what I've read, they didn't push for flight/duty rigs because it really wouldn't make that much of a difference. Pilots at Pinnacle know that generally, we're scheduled fairly tightly. Yes, there might be a 4 hour sit, but usually a 4 day trip will be scheduled near 29 hours. In the future with future rest rules, now, that might be when duty rigs would be really nice. What bugs me the most is the near lack of reserve rules. A big part of our pilot group will continue to suffer under scheduling's grip.

 

[JustaNumber]

What bugs me the most is the near lack of reserve rules. A big part of our pilot group will continue to suffer under scheduling's grip.

That was also ASA's biggest problem with the old contract. There were almost no rules whatsoever, you were scheduling's slave. Reserve rules are now light years ahead of what we used to have, to the point that often some pilots who could hold a decent line actually bid reserve. That's the way it should be. DON'T THROW YOUR JUNIOR GUYS UNDER THE BUS---DON'T SETTLE!!!

 

[WildBlue]

Correction to my post.

Currently you cannot "refuse" a JA, you can be unavailable (unlimited times) for a JA less than 72 hours. The new language now allows for an outright refusal.

It was a all or none deal, 3 LOA's as a package. ASAP and FOQA were desired by the union, extension language by the company. The ASAP program has been pulled by the union a few times. Mgmt has stated they would love to see it go away. Raw FOQA data was used to fire a pilot about a year ago.

Basically all of those LOA's could be considered a failure.

Let me correct your correction: There is no contractual ability to refuse a junior assignment in the current agreement. The "right", if you wish to call it that, is contained in a mgmt. policy.

Raw FOQA data was not used. Mgmt attempted to use the FOQA software and was twarted by the VP Safety. They subsequently went to the FDR and has an engineer read the raw data stream. This incident created the negotiating position that resulted in an agreement in TA that protects pilots even if the FOQA program disappears.