Pinnacle gets TA

[JoeMerchant]

The PCL MEC did the right thing by voting to send this out for a vote. If they had voted it down at the MEC level, there's no doubt that the NMB would have parked them. But if the pilot group votes it down, then it's likely that the NMB will just ask them to return to the table to fix a few key items so it will be able to be ratified by the pilots.

I thought your Messiah, Obama, was going to fix all this....Are you saying a Democratic NMB would park Pinnacle? How can that be?

 

[dondk]

Did they? I remember that the 30 day cooling off period came to an end and they kept talking till they had a deal. Did it happen at 3am for a few minutes?

I vaguely remember it was about 3 days worth. I started a trip as they went out and finished it when they came back. The place was a ghost town down in the old op's. Call it what you want, but the only flights operating were management pilots and the few that didn't go home.

 

[PCL_128]

...if you call a few key items COLA raises to match inflation, rigs, 100%DH, and an overhaul of reserve rules. I'm not saying it needs to be industry-leading, but there is no reason it should be anything less than industry standard in all respects; "taking it back" shouldn't mean "taking it from the back."

I wouldn't expect a complete overhaul of anything, but you could probably ratchet up the days off for reserves, get 100% DH, and bring up the pay rates. Rigs probably wouldn't happen, though. You could get a few things done pretty quickly with a rejected TA and get it back out for a new vote, but completely rewriting it will mean another 1-2 years.

I thought your Messiah, Obama, was going to fix all this....Are you saying a Democratic NMB would park Pinnacle? How can that be?

Haven't we been through this a dozen times already, Joey? The NMB would be right to park an MEC that rejected its own TA. The MEC has no one but themselves to blame if their own NC brings back a TA that they find unacceptable.

 

[pinn82]

Rates still less comair after the pay cut taken at comair 2.5 yrs ago, and that is after being frozen at the same rate pre-bankruptcy.
Would someone get a pair, you need to go above industry average.

I Don't know what you are looking at FO is pretty much the same as Comair and CA is on average $3 more an hour.

 

[AiRegency]

The initial 76 seat rates are the average of:

ASA
Comair
Compass
Mesaba
Republic
Skywest

44-59 seat turbojet CA:

57.38
59.68
61.96
64.01
65.94
67.93
69.98
72.10
74.33
76.62
78.83
81.37
83.76
86.24
88.25
89.98
91.68
93.29

FO:
23.11
32.15
35.06
36.83
37.84
38.69
39.47
40.05


60-76 turbojet CA:
61.27
63.10
65.73
67.70
69.39
71.52
73.72
75.91
78.57
81.31
83.78
86.48
89.02
91.77
94.52
97.07
99.55
102.09

FO:
25.73
34.48
36.81
38.33
39.30
40.26
41.25
42.03
42.06
42.08
42.08
42.08
42.08
42.08
43.07
44.03
44.93
45.96

Can anyone post the previous pay scale or a link to it?

 

[WayBack]

I thought your Messiah, Obama, was going to fix all this....Are you saying a Democratic NMB would park Pinnacle? How can that be?

Remember this bumbling fool (PFT-128)how he was prancing around and pounding his fist saying that PCL was going to strike, and the NMB would release them because Osama was President?
Hey PFT_128, I thought you were "ready to take it to the mat!"??? What happened? Just the thought of it has you get out of breath and cramp up in your hairy axe wound?

 

[BoilerUP]

If those posted rates are accurate, both the CA & FO 50 seat rates are below the Oct 2008 rates in AWAC's CONCESSIONARY 2003 contract...and the 60-76 seat FO rates are, too.

 

[dondk]

it is important to note these are the rates effective 5/04 and the rates they have been working off of since. The CAP was 15 years, the new CAP is 18 years.


-200 CA

[FONT=&quot]5/1/04[/FONT][FONT=&quot] 55.07 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 56.76 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 58.51 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 60.31 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 62.14 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 63.96 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 65.52 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 67.42 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 69.62 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 71.62 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 73.68 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 75.80 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 77.96 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 80.21 [/FONT] 82.37

-200 FO

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[FONT=&quot]5/1/04[/FONT][FONT=&quot] 20.73 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 24.39 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 30.09 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 33.28 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 34.31 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 35.06 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 35.64 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 36.23 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 36.23 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 36.23 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 36.23 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 36.23 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 36.23 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 36.23 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 36.23 [/FONT]

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These rates for the -900 went into effect as of 12/07


900 pay
Year Captain First Officer
1 $61.27 $25.73
2 $63.10 $32.81
3 $65.73 $35.49
4 $67.70 $37.24
5 $69.20 $38.06
6 $71.31 $39.22
7 $73.32 $40.32
8 $75.69 $40.32
9 $78.10 $40.32
10 $80.73 $40.32
11 $83.19 $40.32
12 $85.19 $40.32
13 $88.35 $40.61
14 $91.10 $41.90
15 $93.62 $43.07
16 $95.72 $44.03
17 $97.67 $44.93
18 $99.69 $45.96


A quick snapshot, it appears the majority are getting 3% COLA for the last 5 years and about $2-$4 bucks more for waiting 5 years. With the exception of the top 5% of the seniority list which appears to get nothing.

 

[73belair]

Are there any steps built in for (at least) the next 5 years of the contract duration? Or it just one raise right now?

 

[PCL_128]

Are there any steps built in for (at least) the next 5 years of the contract duration? Or it just one raise right now?

It has a system somewhat similar to the EGL contract. Minimum 1% raises are guaranteed each year, but if the industry average increases, then their rates increase with it, up to a max of 3% each year. Not a horrible system, but not great either.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Yep, such is the industry. Everyone is trying to move on to a "career airline" that has good pay, work rules, and benefits. Until we fix the outsourcing problem, that's not going to go away, Joey. Most people aren't content to spend a career at the regionals. You say yourself that "30%" of the regional guys are lifers (I think that's an exaggeration, but for argument's sake...), so you're admitting that nearly 3/4 of all regional pilots are planning to move on. It's just reality.



Not at all. I don't ridicule that guys that are making a career out of the regionals, I ridicule guys that are doing so and have such an inferiority complex that they've devoted their lives to trying to steal mainline seniority while simultaneously trying to convince everyone that their regional is the best thing since sliced bread.



Not too good. Arrogant mainline pilots wouldn't sit down to talk about it, and arrogant RJ lifers wouldn't consider reasonable integration proposals. People like you killed the idea, Joey.

You are debating a guy that trumpets conservative values all while he sued his union for the biggest socialist welfare distribution of wealth pay out via the RJDC.......