Pinnacle gets TA

[PCL_128]

The issue is the MEC directed the NC, not the pilot group.

Actually, I would argue that the real problem was that NO ONE was directing the NC. The MEC is supposed to be the ones directing them, not the pilot group. The pilot group directs the MEC, and the MEC directs every committee. Unfortunately, I think there has been a problem on the PCL MEC for a long time that too many MEC members are apathetic and not keeping a close enough eye on what's going on with their own committees.

 

[dondk]

Unfortunately, I think there has been a problem on the PCL MEC for a long time that too many MEC members are apathetic and not keeping a close enough eye on what's going on with their own committees.

Sadly, I agree. They wonder why no one wants to volunteer.

 

[JoeMerchant]

This is the direct result of creating a whole level of flying that is simply a "stepping stone"....Nobody really cares because they are leaving in a few years for greener pastures.....We created this mess once again....

 

[PCL_128]

This is the direct result of creating a whole level of flying that is simply a "stepping stone"....Nobody really cares because they are leaving in a few years for greener pastures.....We created this mess once again....

No disagreement.

 

[JoeMerchant]

No disagreement.

.....then why do you promote it?

 

[PCL_128]

.....then why do you promote it?

I don't. I promote brand scope, eventually leading to single lists. The outsourcing whipsaw must stop.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I don't. I promote brand scope, eventually leading to single lists. The outsourcing whipsaw must stop.

You also went from Gulfstream to Pinnacle to Air Tran....Chasing the "greener grass" yourself....You also ridicule those who actually stay and make a career out of the regionals...You are part of this problem....Don't you see that?

By the way, how is that "brand scope" going?

 

[PCL_128]

You also went from Gulfstream to Pinnacle to Air Tran....Chasing the "greener grass" yourself....

Yep, such is the industry. Everyone is trying to move on to a "career airline" that has good pay, work rules, and benefits. Until we fix the outsourcing problem, that's not going to go away, Joey. Most people aren't content to spend a career at the regionals. You say yourself that "30%" of the regional guys are lifers (I think that's an exaggeration, but for argument's sake...), so you're admitting that nearly 3/4 of all regional pilots are planning to move on. It's just reality.

You also ridicule those who actually stay and make a career out of the regionals...You are part of this problem....Don't you see that?

Not at all. I don't ridicule that guys that are making a career out of the regionals, I ridicule guys that are doing so and have such an inferiority complex that they've devoted their lives to trying to steal mainline seniority while simultaneously trying to convince everyone that their regional is the best thing since sliced bread.

By the way, how is that "brand scope" going?

Not too good. Arrogant mainline pilots wouldn't sit down to talk about it, and arrogant RJ lifers wouldn't consider reasonable integration proposals. People like you killed the idea, Joey.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

The TA apparently just passed the MEC. Read EVERY word, guys and gals.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yep, such is the industry. Everyone is trying to move on to a "career airline" that has good pay, work rules, and benefits. Until we fix the outsourcing problem, that's not going to go away, Joey. Most people aren't content to spend a career at the regionals. You say yourself that "30%" of the regional guys are lifers (I think that's an exaggeration, but for argument's sake...), so you're admitting that nearly 3/4 of all regional pilots are planning to move on. It's just reality.

That is exactly why we have the situation we have....You support it, you participate in it....yet you admit that it is a problem....

3/4 of all regional pilots are planning to move on....Doesn't mean they will move on however.....

Not at all. I don't ridicule that guys that are making a career out of the regionals, I ridicule guys that are doing so and have such an inferiority complex that they've devoted their lives to trying to steal mainline seniority while simultaneously trying to convince everyone that their regional is the best thing since sliced bread.

Nobody is trying to "steal mainline seniority"....In fact, it is the other way around....I'm not trying to get 15 years longevity on a Maddog list.....but some of them are trying to have 2 years there bump me down on an RJ....Who is trying to "steal seniority"?

Not too good. Arrogant mainline pilots wouldn't sit down to talk about it, and arrogant RJ lifers wouldn't consider reasonable integration proposals. People like you killed the idea, Joey.

We are getting somewhere with you...You admit there is "arrogance" at the mainline level....The "RJ lifers", who you just said you respect, just want protection....They are very open to a "reasonable integration proposal"...Why do you think they aren't?

 

[JoeMerchant]

The TA apparently just passed the MEC. Read EVERY word, guys and gals.

Of course it did...It will pass at the pilot level also...

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Of course it did...It will pass at the pilot level also...

I've heard a few of the rumors in regards to the contents arent as bad as was first thought, esp in regarding to pay (apparently starting with the current industry average and a min raise per year as well as a max raise per year to keep up with the average).

We'll see what comes out when it's actually put out to the masses.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I've heard a few of the rumors in regards to the contents arent as bad as was first thought, esp in regarding to pay (apparently starting with the current industry average and a min raise per year as well as a max raise per year to keep up with the average).

We'll see what comes out when it's actually put out to the masses.

It's far below ASA...This will put Pinnacle at the head of the line for new flying...The undercutting amongst union "brothers" continues...

 

[dondk]

I've heard a few of the rumors in regards to the contents arent as bad as was first thought, esp in regarding to pay (apparently starting with the current industry average and a min raise per year as well as a max raise per year to keep up with the average).

We'll see what comes out when it's actually put out to the masses.

I just hope they don't flip to section 3 and base everything on that (some will though).

For Joe, if it does pass, it will not be a landslide, that is certain. The MEC did not vote unanimously, nor do I think the pilot group will.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I just hope they don't flip to section 3 and base everything on that (some will though).

For Joe, if it does pass, it will not be a landslide, that is certain. The MEC did not vote unanimously, nor do I think the pilot group will.

60/40 pass....