Picken's $700 Billion Plan

[blueridge71]

Nuke Power is great. No doubt. The problem is, the tree huggers hold up the approval process to build Nuke power plants. The other problem is the fact that it will take years to build them.

That is why we need to drill now: To allow time to get our nuclear infrastructure caught up to our power demands.

Oil is a short term power supply at this point. I've been hearing lately that that could have oil flowing from continental shelf in as little as two years because of a lot of the exploration was done prior the ban.

 

[blueridge71]

Skydash, I just want to point out that you have a quote attributed to me at the top of this page that I did not write. Not sure why it has my name on it.

 

[blzr]

Why is it so complicated? Because drilling for more gas and oil and building more coal and nuclear plants are all dead ends. The energy source will run out, and they money is wasted. That saying, we DO need more nuclear plants in the short-term, to help us bridge from oil/coal to renewables.

I had to laugh at this one. the earth makes oil and coal EVERY DAY!!

I heard a mine engineer make a funny about a year ago. He told our group that we definately need to start looking for alternatives to "CLEAN" coal. Someone asked him "Why"? He said that at our current rate of mining, and it is FAST PACED, that Thunder basin would play out between 200 and 300 years from now.

Environmentalists wako's!! gotta luv'em.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Where did you get an education from?

Do you realize how many Windmills it would take to Power NYC?

Um... Windmills don't supply electrical power.
Windmills grind grain into flour. (dumbass)


To address your question.
NYC electrical power requirements vary from 4-5GW (that's billions of watts).

Using a baseline 5MW wind turbine, 1000 of them. 500 if the upgrade is made to 10MW turbines.
So, assuming 4 acres/per turbine, a 4k acre plot will do nicely.

CE

 

[Bai B Nai]

Those of you with the any assets might want to consider foreign investing to protect your portfolio a la Peter Schiff and EuroPacific Capital.
His comments the past two years seem extremely prescient.
Check out his firm and/or his book.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1_Yo2BGdUk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw5E-47Uq7k


Don't hesitate. Work to protect yourself now.

 

[vetteracer]

ANWR is about 60 miles from the pipline. They could have that stretch built in 2 months. They built the entire Alaska pipeline in 2 years. 30 billion just over the sites in ANWR that have been explored.

That oil does go to Japan, and Japan in return buys oil from Mexico or Canada for us. It's a matter of shipping, but things may have changed in the last ten years!! as of 94 that was the deal.

And for any of you that have never been to ANWR this is how you get there. NOT LIKE THE PICTURES FROM THE LIB NEWS.

Oil from Alaska ( NON ANWR, we can't drill there, it a park you know!!) So if you are thinking about taking the Family there for some outdoor fun, here is how you get there. Here is the road called the Dalton Highway or by locals known as the HAUL road. When I lived in AK, it was not open to the public. Only commercial vehicles. SO, if you want to go to ANWR and have a pick nick here is how you get there.
You start here !!! Note the road, this is the best part of the road, you can do at least 45-55 and make some good time.

Here is the fist hill, looks like no problem right, that hill is over a mile long and near vertical. The guy driving that truck is going about 75 so he can make it up the other side. I know, I was in the pass. seat. I was 8.

Oh, and it is just the start of the hills, or grades.
A truck would get one round trip on a set of tires.

Then you come to the Brooks Range. Here is the start. The grades here are worse then the above pics.

If you are in the range before June1st or after August 1st. You risk this
Look in the very back of the pic, see the spilt in the trees, that the road, a near vertical grade.

The Haul Road, Late August. Note a spare truck and 150 gal. of fuel and a snow blower. Don't want to be stranded here.

If you get stuck in by weather at ANWR, this is how you get back home to Prudhoe Bay. Since it is still light, this pic was probably taken in Sept.

Here is a test site at ANWR. Again around Sept/oct.

Here is a rig at Prudhoe Bay, again around Oct. NOTE, no Beautiful Mountains, no pristine streams, or meadows it's a barren waste land of frozen tundra.

HERE is the best of it all. The Canadians are Drilling into ANWR from there side of the border, at a 45 degree angle and pumping it out. HAAAA the jokes on us !!!!

 

[rajflyboy]

Um... Windmills don't supply electrical power.
Windmills grind grain into flour. (dumbass)


To address your question.
NYC electrical power requirements vary from 4-5GW (that's billions of watts).

Using a baseline 5MW wind turbine, 1000 of them. 500 if the upgrade is made to 10MW turbines.
So, assuming 4 acres/per turbine, a 4k acre plot will do nicely.

CE

If you believe those statistics... I have some great land on a steep hillside I am willing to sell you cheap!!

 

[Poahi]

Um... Windmills don't supply electrical power.
Windmills grind grain into flour. (dumbass)
CE

Comon guys, windmill is a verb:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkLK35RKS2E&feature=related

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

If you believe those statistics... I have some great land on a steep hillside I am willing to sell you cheap!!

Tell me, troll of trolls, which stats are incorrect?

Oh, that's right, you're just trolling.

The bridge is this way-------------->

CE

 

[Mr.B]

I don't see Natural Gas distribution sights going up all over the place. Its not happening.



You can fill the car from home......wake up, it's not a dream.

http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=847

 

[400pilot]

So it would add only about 1% to world supply, and would have a negligable affect on oil prices.

You have been saying this over and over again yet are missing one simple point. It is not a proportional change in price. For example, over the last 10 years, the world has increased consumption 2 million bpd over supply. If you take out the artificial highs from speculating and assume a real demand cost of $65 per barrel, then you have a 100% increase in price over a 2%-3% increase in consumption. Adding 1%-3% in supply will have an affect on prices....regardless of where it is sold.

 

[Wesb737fo]

Seriously....how can you not like a guy willing to ride on a nuclear missile dropped from an Air Force bomber?

Oh...wait.....I think that was Slim Pickens....nevermind


C'mon....eight pages of posts and no T.Boone/Slim Pickens Dr. Strangelove jokes!

 

[Smarta$$]

HERE is the best of it all. The Canadians are Drilling into ANWR from there side of the border, at a 45 degree angle and pumping it out. HAAAA the jokes on us !!!!

Here is the dumbest part of your whole load of crapp. If the Canadians are drilling it, then that oil is going into the worlds supply and demand equation. It doesn't matter if it is US oil, or canadian oil, or saudi oil. It is a world supply and demand formula.

What is the current retail price for a barrel of US oil? Didn't think so. The only people in the US that would directly benefit is oil companies and there employees.

 

[Hank Hill]

It's fairly simple. Use what infrastructures and technology that are already in place...

1. Nuclear power for the grid (produce hydrogen at night...like the FRENCH)
2. Natural gas for the cars (plenty of it/cheap/clean)
3. Kerosene for the jets.

You can thank me later.

Dude, did you just say that natural gas is plentiful and cheap??? LMAO!!

The price has doubled over the past year and production in North America is basically peaking now. Or will in the next few years. Now imagine what will happen if you introduce a gargantuan new source of demand for this fuel (personal automobiles).

Can you say price shocks and shortages?

Wake the heck up and take a reality check, will ya?

 

[Hank Hill]

For $1.2 trillion, we can have 240 nuclear plants at $5 billion a piece. Nuclear power wins this contest hands down.

Where are you going to get the uranium?

Uranium is in serious shortage. In fact, it's in much greater shortage than oil since the world produces enough oil to meet world crude demand every year, but only produces 60% of the annual uranium demand. The shortfall is made up from inventories, decomissioned old Soviet nukes, etc.

You may also have noticed the price of uranium skyrocketed by well over 1,000 percent in the first 7 years of this decade as this shortfall situation has become more apparent. It has since had a sharp correction, but you can bet after it consolidates awhile it will climb skyward again. Especially if you were to announce massive new orders of nuke plants here in the USA!!

So riddle me this Batman. If the world can produce 100% of oil demanded every year, but only 60% of the uranium demanded, wouldn't it make more sense to start shutting down nuclear power plants and replacing them with oil fired plants?

Think before you type, my friend. No one should ever be able to propose nuclear as a solution to the energy crisis without first saying where the uranium will come from!! What are you gonna do, s--t it out?

 

[SkiFishFly]

Where are you going to get the uranium?

Uranium is in serious shortage. In fact, it's in much greater shortage than oil since the world produces enough oil to meet world crude demand every year, but only produces 60% of the annual uranium demand. The shortfall is made up from inventories, decomissioned old Soviet nukes, etc.

You may also have noticed the price of uranium skyrocketed by well over 1,000 percent in the first 7 years of this decade as this shortfall situation has become more apparent. It has since had a sharp correction, but you can bet after it consolidates awhile it will climb skyward again. Especially if you were to announce massive new orders of nuke plants here in the USA!!

So riddle me this Batman. If the world can produce 100% of oil demanded every year, but only 60% of the uranium demanded, wouldn't it make more sense to start shutting down nuclear power plants and replacing them with oil fired plants?

Think before you type, my friend. No one should ever be able to propose nuclear as a solution to the energy crisis without first saying where the uranium will come from!! What are you gonna do, s--t it out?

Got any sources (credible) on this one? There is uranium in NM and other places in the US. The mines have been shut down for a while due to lack of US demand.

 

[coolyokeluke]

Dude, did you just say that natural gas is plentiful and cheap??? LMAO!!

The price has doubled over the past year and production in North America is basically peaking now. Or will in the next few years. Now imagine what will happen if you introduce a gargantuan new source of demand for this fuel (personal automobiles).

Can you say price shocks and shortages?

Wake the heck up and take a reality check, will ya?

T Boone Picken's plan is to replace a percentage of the electrical production from natural gas by using wind power. Thus that natural gas would be available to power cars. Not all cars.

 

[coolyokeluke]

HERE is the best of it all. The Canadians are Drilling into ANWR from there side of the border, at a 45 degree angle and pumping it out. HAAAA the jokes on us !!!!

Source? This has as much validity as the Chinese angle drilling off our coasts to steal our oil. I've flown in the Alaska/Canada border Arctic Ocean area, didn't see any oil wells on the Canadian side. Prove me wrong and I'll admit it.

 

[vetteracer]

Here is the dumbest part of your whole load of crapp. If the Canadians are drilling it, then that oil is going into the worlds supply and demand equation. It doesn't matter if it is US oil, or canadian oil, or saudi oil. It is a world supply and demand formula.

What is the current retail price for a barrel of US oil? Didn't think so. The only people in the US that would directly benefit is oil companies and there employees.

They are drilling at a 45* (directional drilling) and they are limited on hitting the "Big pool". So Mr. Smart AZZ I never mentioned that oil was a single US commodity. BUT why are we not in there as well pumping it out. There is only so many rigs (4 to be exact) that the Canadians can get in the location needed to do the directional drilling. The oil pumped out of Alaska would most likely never be refined in the U.S. SO what, it adds to the overall supply. The Canadians are also having logistical problmems getting the oil shipped out. They trans-Canadian pipeline is not done, so they are limited that way as well. We have a 900 mile pipeline in place, another 58 miles of flat tundra to plug into it! Big deal. It would mean jobs for Americans as well. Go back to your load of crap and eat it.

 

[400pilot]

Here is the dumbest part of your whole load of crapp. If the Canadians are drilling it, then that oil is going into the worlds supply and demand equation.

More rigs = more oil

There is not a finite amount that can be drilled at any given time....of course until its gone...