Picken's $700 Billion Plan

[Poahi]

It's fairly simple. Use what infrastructures and technology that are already in place...

1. Nuclear power for the grid (produce hydrogen at night...like the FRENCH)
2. Natural gas for the cars (plenty of it/cheap/clean)
3. Kerosene for the jets.

You can thank me later.

I'm still amazed that so few people get this...

 

[blueridge71]

A few things that you niglect to mention. Oil drilled out of ANWR and the OCS is not guaranteed to be sold here in the US. We send allot of oil out of alaska to Japan already.

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It doesn't matter where the oil goes as long as goes into the market. Supply goes up. Price goes down. Oil prices are down already with just the discussion of drilling.

 

[rajflyboy]

Viable alternatives to oil are not out there as of yet. Most are too expensive for the average citizen. Most will not power the important things we need (Semi Trucks coming to your grocery store) (Ships that transport goods to this country) (Airplanes... Ie.. your JOB). Hopefully at somepoint down the road we will get that type of technology. Its not here yet.

For most of the countries population Wind is not an alternative. Maybe some small midwest town can be powered with windmills but you will NEVER power a large city.

Drilling for Oil in the USA is the only Quick Fix and is the best way for us all to keep Jobs in AVIATION !

T Boone Pickens is a farse... and he is using OUR taxpayer dollars for his lame plan.

 

[blueridge71]

The point wasn't that both France and the US have safety concerns to the degree that Chernobyl did. The point is that no matter how safe they are they still get liabilty caps which save them hundreds of millions of dollars in insurance payments. Still a form of subsidy.
I personally don't mind subsidizing nuclear energy. I do mind people who claim that nuclear has proven profitable without generous subsidies. If it's okay to subsidize nuclear why not wind and solar?

I don't consider a liability cap a true subsidy. I consider it tort reform and I'd like to see more of it.

Mississippi enacted tort reform a few years ago, and it has really helped the economy, especially health care costs. Unfortunately, other Democratic special interest groups, the American Bar Association and the American Trial Lawyers Assn., make it difficult to pass tort reform on a national scale.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/cc/?id=110007260

 

[rajflyboy]

If Boone Pickens really believed in Windmills why is he too scared to spend his own money on the project. Instead he uses Taxpayer dollars.

 

[blueridge71]

T Boone Pickens is using government funding to buy those windmills. Windmills that will never be able to power big ciites like NYC, Chicago, LAX, Atlanta, Etc. Wind power througout the USA is a farse. In some regions with a lot of wind.. a lot of land and a few houses it will work.

They should probably set up a ring of windmills around Congress.

 

[rajflyboy]

They should probably set up a ring of windmills around Congress.

I agree !!

 

[Smarta$$]

A few things that you niglect to mention. Oil drilled out of ANWR and the OCS is not guaranteed to be sold here in the US. We send allot of oil out of alaska to Japan already.

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It doesn't matter where the oil goes as long as goes into the market. Supply goes up. Price goes down. Oil prices are down already with just the discussion of drilling.

No they are not down for that reason. There was an unexpected build in inventories. Remember a few months back when Saudi said they will be increasing production by 700000 barrels a day? After that announcement, the price basically went up.

Your full of crap.

The reason it matters is because the drill, drill, drill croud keeps saying that it will lower our dependance on foriegn oil. Well if our demand stays the same, and some of that new oil is shipped over seas, then you still have to import the same amount.

It is also miss leading to say things like ANWR would supply 5% of US consumption because it implies that the affect on our gas price would be at least a 5% savings. Well oil is priced based on world supply and demand. So it would add only about 1% to world supply, and would have a negligable affect on oil prices.

ANWR at its peak would produce about a million barrels per day. Sounds awful close the the 700K barrels the Saudis pledged to increase. When the price went up.

Keep spreading the half truths.

 

[blueridge71]

If Boone Pickens really believed in Windmills why is he too scared to spend his own money on the project. Instead he uses Taxpayer dollars.

That is a good point. The same arguement applies to stem cell research. If it is so promising, why does the federal government have to fund the research? Private companies should be standing in line to invest.

 

[Sailpilot]

If Boone Pickens really believed in Windmills why is he too scared to spend his own money on the project. Instead he uses Taxpayer dollars.

Hmmmm.....

I use my money and collect profit or loss.

I use your money and collect profit or lose your money.

I think it makes perfect sense to me.

 

[rajflyboy]

Hmmmm.....

I use my money and collect profit or loss.

I use your money and collect profit or lose your money.

I think it makes perfect sense to me.

Doesn't make Sense for ME (The Taxpayer)

 

[rajflyboy]

SWA Guy,
Ok, let's say you're right and Pickens is only doing his endeavor for self-serving profit and not his deep concern that the world is at peak oil.

Who cares?

It makes us less dependent on foreign oil.
It will lower the price of oil.
It will reduce our trade deficit.
It will help American families.

Let him make some money but also let this PATRIOT help America.

You think our government is going to fix the energy problem?

Oh and drilling in the U.S. being announced will do absolutely NOTHING to the price of oil for the next 7-10 years. You're dreaming. Yes I say drill everywhere and anywhere but it won't make an impact on supply/demand for years to come.

There is a REAL supply/demand problem now that the high price is fixing like it's supposed to do.

The free markets are working great.

Jet

Ok

How is that Windmill going to Power the Jet you fly? You know.... The one you earn a salary Flying?

 

[Sailpilot]

Just because you don't like the rules....Know the rules.
Remember the guy that makes the golden rule?

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I would rather pay 170 billion for Iraq and not take their oil. It's much better then building our own energy independance. (sarcasm)

 

[rajflyboy]

I'm still amazed that so few people get this...

I'm amazed that people think this technology is just going to fall off the tree tonight and we can use it tomorrow.

This technology you speak of is YEARS away. We need relief NOW.

 

[Sailpilot]

I'm amazed that people think this technology is just going to fall off the tree tonight and we can use it tomorrow.

This technology you speak of is YEARS away. We need relief NOW.

Um Ya........

I've never seen a windmill, reactor, transformers (not the robots), power stations that network over larger areas while carring energy through miles of high-tension powerlines.

Dude, are you for real or just trying to get a laugh from us? Quit playing, I know you can't really be this

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Are YOU serious? Nuclear power is successfully used all over the world. Kits are already sold to convert vehicles to natural gas. It would take a while to set up the infrastructure but the technology is already there.

 

[rajflyboy]

Um Ya........

I've never seen a windmill, reactor, transformers (not the robots), power stations that network over larger areas while carring energy through miles of high-tension powerlines.

Dude, are you for real or just trying to get a laugh from us? Quit playing, I know you can't really be this

Where did you get an education from?

Do you realize how many Windmills it would take to Power NYC?

and..... I'd have to ask... How are you going to power the Jet's you fly without OIL.

Yes >> Oil controls the JOB YOU HAVE.

 

[Sailpilot]

Hold on guys! I have to go feed the rabbit on the wheel generator charging my computer. What is the external "power" you talk of? Is it some kinda "witchcraft"!?

 

[rajflyboy]

Are YOU serious? Nuclear power is successfully used all over the world. Kits are already sold to convert vehicles to natural gas. It would take a while to set up the infrastructure but the technology is already there.

Nuke Power is great. No doubt. The problem is, the tree huggers hold up the approval process to build Nuke power plants. The other problem is the fact that it will take years to build them.

 

[rajflyboy]

Are YOU serious? Nuclear power is successfully used all over the world. Kits are already sold to convert vehicles to natural gas. It would take a while to set up the infrastructure but the technology is already there.

I sure can't find a Natural Gas Pump at any gas station I have been too.

This technology and system isn't ready to go yet here in America. Possibly in the future.

Oil Powers the Jets that pay us.

 

[Sailpilot]

Do you realize how many Windmills it would take to Power NYC?

.

Depends:

Locations of windmills. Diameter of blades. Average velocity of flow. Interference (transfer friction of voltage transmission). Diameter of transfer cables. Temparture of above or below ground cables. Just to name a few of the variables.

*I might know a little about this subject, but please keep going.

Another option: Hydrogeneration in the Rivers that surrond your example of NY city.

** Before you start making another statement about this option ... let me stop you and say it's already in use on a smaller scale. (Google Hydro energy east river)

 

[rajflyboy]

Depends:

Locations of windmills. Diameter of blades. Average velocity of flow. Interference (transfer friction of voltage transmission). Diameter of transfer cables. Temparture of above or below ground cables. Just to name a few of the variables.

*I might know a little about this subject, but please keep going.

Another option: Hydrogeneration in the Rivers that surrond your example of NY city.

** Before you start making another statement about this option ... let me stop you and say it's already in use on a smaller scale. (Google Hydro energy east river)

Yes

Its called a Dam

Here is a great one! http://www.tva.com/sites/fontana.htm

 

[Sailpilot]

Yes

Its called a Dam

Here is a great one! http://www.tva.com/sites/fontana.htm

You can't even get that right!!!!!!!

Have you seen a Dam on the east river??????

You have to be just messing with me!

If your not; It's a hydroturbine submerged in the water. Size is about same as a chevy tahoe. They had to place the turbine twice. First time, the engineers underestimated the force placed on the turbine with currents traveling around 5 knots. Second placement, shortened blades while generating a highier amount of power then originally thought possible.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6344642

Please, if your just joking... Hahaha, good one.
If not.... do you fly aircraft!?

 

[rajflyboy]

Dam's also produce energy hero.

Fontana is one of the many dam's in Western NC that produce energy.

 

[Sailpilot]

Dam's also produce energy hero.

Fontana is one of the many dam's in Western NC that produce energy.

Ummmm Okkk??? Thanks for the lesson?

So Captain, what did you fly to get 17500 hours? I'm calling bullsh!t. I'm thinking, college kid, probably UND? I did like the comment about you being a "taxpayer". Pst, paying for music on itunes and not pirating it is not a "tax".

 

[coolyokeluke]

Ok

How is that Windmill going to Power the Jet you fly? You know.... The one you earn a salary Flying?

You're either a flame baiter or a simpleton. The idea is that you reduce petroleum demand by alternatives and that will leave more oil to be made into JetA.

Many city buses run on natural gas. It's not an exotic technology.

There is no more cheap, easy to get oil. There is plenty of oil out there, but it's deeper, more viscous, sulpher laden, in smaller deposits, etc. The world has not located a major oil field in many many years, and most of the major fields are in decline. It is past time to be looking at alternative ways of doing things.

 

[Mr.B]

I sure can't find a Natural Gas Pump at any gas station I have been too.

This technology and system isn't ready to go yet here in America. Possibly in the future.

Oil Powers the Jets that pay us.

They have them at.....ready.....AIRPORTS!

 

[rajflyboy]

You're either a flame baiter or a simpleton. The idea is that you reduce petroleum demand by alternatives and that will leave more oil to be made into JetA.

Many city buses run on natural gas. It's not an exotic technology.

There is no more cheap, easy to get oil. There is plenty of oil out there, but it's deeper, more viscous, sulpher laden, in smaller deposits, etc. The world has not located a major oil field in many many years, and most of the major fields are in decline. It is past time to be looking at alternative ways of doing things.[/quote]

If you believe that line of BS then I think you should try to find a NEW career!

 

[Soverytired]

I'll say this for Pickens .. . 20% of all electricity via solar and wind in 10 years (cost 1 trillion dollars) is at least achievable, and a goal within reach with current technology and has measurable results.

Contrast this with Al Gore's "plan" which would cost tens of trillions, has no specific goals other than "save the planet somehow", magic and non-existant technology, and moving goalposts.

 

[rajflyboy]

I'd be fine with T Boone if he would use his own money for the project!!