Organization Of Black Airline Pilots

[BOYCAPTAIN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMfr2CgIPhg

 

[WestHouston]

White Males have no need for an advocacy group so there can only be one motivation for even suggesting one...

And THERE is the problem. Who the hell are you? Besides an obvious racist. Who are you to say what whites need and don't need? It's people like you that perpetuate the racism and victim mentality.

 

[Big Beer Belly]

There are myriads of such special interest groups (like the AARP) and they're a heathy part of our society.

LUNACY!

AARP advocates for issues important to the elderly, regardless of RACE, GENDER, RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION, or SEXUAL ORIENTATION.

Somehow I'm not surprised you have this confused.


BBB

 

[PCL_128]

LUNACY!

AARP advocates for issues important to the elderly, regardless of RACE, GENDER, RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION, or SEXUAL ORIENTATION.

Exactly. They divide people into two groups: old and not old. They advocate only for the old. How is this different than a group that advocates for black pilots, again?

 

[Big Beer Belly]

They divide people into two groups: old and not old. They advocate only for the old. How is this different than a group that advocates for black pilots, again?

Ignorance must truly be bliss.

BBB

 

[TWA Dude]

It's people like you that perpetuate the racism and victim mentality.

Actually, it's the labellers like you who do so.

 

[inline]

Go place your vote for Huckabe or Romney. Your so stupid on so many levels I can't even respond to your posts.

My vote for Hillary keeps meaning more the more you talk.

If someone started an " organization of white airline pilots" (and no, it's not called ALPA, Allied, AOPA, etc.,) that pilot would be harassed and or fired by their employer and Jesse and Al S. would be camped out on your doorstep bellowing into a bullhorn.

BTW, go ahead, vote for Billary. You'll be sorry, because she's the easiast for McCain to defeat.

 

[Reebo]

Since the other thread was locked, I'm copying to this one. My vote for best post EVER!!!!

From "THEHANGAR"

RANT TIME or one long run on sentence.....

As someone who finished a b.s. and a masters in chemistry and has worked outside of aviation for a few years before becoming a pilot, I'd have to say it (aviation) is the most prejudiced and on occasion racist environment I have ever seen. I don't know if its a lack of education(which hinders lateral thinking), ignorance(tendencies from the thoughtless or the single-minded), stupidity(under-performance in brain activity) or how most people were raised(environment) but prejudice and hate is thriving in our crew rooms and fbo's. In my ten years as a pilot from 135, 91, 61, 141, 121, 91k. I have positively only flown with only 3 black pilots and maybe 8 female pilots. With no black or female, chief pilots or D.O.'s at the companies I've worked for. The combined pilot workforces of the companies I've worked for is about 10,000. While these numbers don't directly indicate anything other than a low number of these groups attracted to aviation in general. It's the reaction which colors the picture. With numbers like these why do so many white male pilots complain about minorities and women taking their jobs? Or even getting them unfairly? Considering, in years past, blacks were not allowed to get many of these jobs or an education for that matter. Which in turn directly limits their ability to get them now.

Also I'm sorry to burst anyones bubble but its not JUST blacks that benefit from "unfair" Affirmative Action sort of advancement. In fact, from first hand experience, "Affirmative Action" is also happening in your local Universities and Med Schools. It may not be an enacted law, but someone is looking out for you. In this case for its for WHITE, Hispanic and Black students. It is well known that most graduate/medical school interview committees for science and engineering colleges will limit the number of Asians (Indian, Chinese, Pakistani etc..) they accept at some point, in order to get more WHITE, Black and Hispanic students. Why? Because if they didn't our Medical Schools and Engineering Grads would be overwhelmingly Asian... which in most cases this just prevents them from being ALL Asian. In these cases some of the better students aren't getting the nod all the time.

Lets not forget that it was years of prejudice which allowed whites to move up the the corporate ladder without having to compete against the best or the most qualified because the best minorities either weren't allowed to or didn't have the good ol' boy network to fall back on. You know the story... I'm gonna work for my "daddy's carrier" when I grow up.

Certain outspoken and generally White republican Americans seem to want everyone to know that they built this country and it is what it is today only because of that. To forget the facts that the genocide of Indians(in the millions) and free labor (by the brutal enslavement of an entire race), is what also allowed this country to flourish. To ignore these facts is extremely racist on many levels. We spend many hours a day loving the heroics of the "Forefathers", "Founding Fathers" our "Father's Fathers" and the "Flags of our Fathers".
Lets interject real history and not revise history in to the quintessential American dream. American history has been white washed into apple pie and baseball. While many great and wonderful things have been done by white Americans lets not forget those "Fathers" of ours were enslaving blacks and killing the Natives of this country. History needs to reflect that... that way we don't fall into the trap of arrogance and self-righteousness. We SCREAM about "illegal" aliens these days without ANY moral shame. Everyone who's come to this country from 1490 until the United States of America was formed came here "illegally". Whites didn't come here with altruistic goals in mind, they came to benefit THEMSELVES just like anyone else. English trading companies came to steal resources, Christian Missionaries came to convert the peaceful masses, and People looking to just make a living on basically "free" land. We forced black slaves to speak English, yet Spanish on occasion is anti-American. When we go to war and civilians are killed we call them collateral damage, when anyone else does it we selectively label them as terrorists(depending on if we need something from them or not). So to turn around and judge anyone ESPECIALLY the black community with a severe eye is hypocritical and the height of immorality.

Of course blacks do get advantages and of course some people take advantage of a system, but which group doesn't? We all do.. one group isn't morally superior to the other. We are all human. You can't just point to perceived "black" faults to make points. If you do, then you have to point to the perceived "white" ones. You point to blacks in jail, I'll point to white executives and politicians (who have screwed us 10 times more) who should be. You point to crack, I'll point to alcohol. You point to rape, I'll point to pedophilia.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard remarks that were just out and out racist in the cockpit on a weekly basis... It used to be only blacks, now its Mexicans, Arabs, Muslims and of course women... Wait thats not enough, everyone is a terrorist and a liberal if they don't become a Lemming.. WAH WAH WAH:crying: .. Whites HAVE every advantage IN THE WORLD.. and yet some seem to be the MOST ungrateful.

America AS a WHOLE (ALL RACES AND RELIGIONS) does owe Native and Black Americans. We owe them because they WERE sacrificed, for the promotion and advantage of one group. We owe them the best schools, the best neighborhoods and the best support to take their rightful place next to everyone else in society. This doesn't alleviate self responsibility or motivation in the least from their communities.

Obviously, I think this entire thread speaks to a deeper issue which not only affects pilot groups(but more emblematic) but our society in general. I would only hope that rational minds from all walks of life are able to respect humanity and not judge hastily. No one is perfect nor is any one group. To simplify life and its perceived problems into "black and white", better or worse and good and evil is a dangerous path to traverse as it doesn't leave room for thought, dialog or philosophical differences..



RANT OVER

later..........


I use the terms "race, black, white etc.." in their loosest and least scientific form. As science and scholars realize that very little genetic or scientific data can actually support the exisistence of actual races other than the Human race.. Most if any differences generally stem specific environmental pressures and are not consistent through any "race", or group of people. However, for the sake of discussion and to describe general outward and cultural differences which people do possess, these terms still contain worth.
Last edited by THEHANGAR : Today at 02:47.

 

[Dizel8]

While I cannot for certain ascertain what BBB is trying to say, the way I interpret it, is that in a true egalitarian soceity, we do not need, nor should we accept differentiation due to color ( or religion, national origin etc, etc.)

The question then is, do we live in a egalitarian society. Those of us that base our perception of people on their merits believe so, and it seems that BBB just might be that kind of person. If so, he is the very last person that should be called racist.

If one considers the above to be true, then indeed, the call for a specific color individual is an affront to BBB and others. However, those that espouse the view, that AA kids probably would respond better to an AA pilot, just might have a point, as sad as that is

MLK was an amazing person, whose life was cut short too early by those who felt threatened by his words, but I also think he would be aghast at what Jesse Jackson and Farrakhan is promoting.

I am not black, so I do not know if racism is alive and well. I hope not, since I base my perception of people on who they are, not on what ethnicity they are. Hence such things as Miss Black America strikes me as being wrong, as is any organization that discriminates against any group. Either discriminaton is wrong or it isn't, cannot be both ways!

 

[Dizel8]

"America AS a WHOLE (ALL RACES AND RELIGIONS) does owe Native and Black Americans. We owe them because they WERE sacrificed, for the promotion and advantage of one group. We owe them the best schools, the best neighborhoods and the best support to take their rightful place next to everyone else in society. '

I respectfully disagree with that rhetoric as I believe that is not what MLK preached. I think we owe them a society that makes darn sure, that color isn't a determining factor in any endeavour. Let a man be judge on his actions and only on his actions, not his origin. That is what it says in the constitution and yes, I do know the irony in that statement.

By perpetuating the guilt society, we will never get any further, as a matter of fact, we will move backwards.

I think the issue is, well at least in my case, is that I honestly do not believe that people regardless of their background should be treated differently. By doing so, we are allowing discrimination, and although in this case, it is reverse discrimination, it should still be viewed as being wrong, right?

Secondly, at what point will the guilt trip be over, 50 years, a hundred, 500? Should we pay reparations? Will that make it better?

"This doesn't alleviate self responsibility or motivation in the least from their communities."

And that my friend, is a slippery slope indeed. One could argue, according to your sentiments, that motivation is hampered by a lack of "affirmative action" iow, unless more is given, motivation will be kept at bay.

I hate to say this, because it can be viewed in a variety of ways, most of them wrong, but take a quick look at the second generation asians, they are, as group, racing ahead in the american society. They were not given anything in particular and yet, they are managing to succeed. Why is that?

 

[Big Beer Belly]

I respectfully disagree with that rhetoric as I believe that is not what MLK preached. I think we owe them a society that makes darn sure, that color isn't a determining factor in any endeavour. Let a man be judge on his actions and only on his actions, not his origin. That is what it says in the constitution and yes, I do know the irony in that statement.

By perpetuating the guilt society, we will never get any further, as a matter of fact, we will move backwards.

I think the issue is, well at least in my case, is that I honestly do not believe that people regardless of their background should be treated differently. By doing so, we are allowing discrimination, and although in this case, it is reverse discrimination, it should still be viewed as being wrong, right?

Secondly, at what point will the guilt trip be over, 50 years, a hundred, 500? Should we pay reparations? Will that make it better?

I wholeheartedly agree Dizel. If not now, then when do we begin to treat each other with color-blindness?

BBB

 

[inline]

It is called ALPA

Tired old response. No where in ALPA's title does is say " white."

 

[jke406]

It is called ALPA

Sheezus, if I had a dollar for every weak-deak liberal apologist who spouted off that ridiculous cliche...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Certain outspoken and generally White republican Americans seem to want everyone to know that they built this country and it is what it is today only because of that. To forget the facts that the genocide of Indians(in the millions) and free labor (by the brutal enslavement of an entire race), is what also allowed this country to flourish. To ignore these facts is extremely racist on many levels. We spend many hours a day loving the heroics of the "Forefathers", "Founding Fathers" our "Father's Fathers" and the "Flags of our Fathers".
Lets interject real history and not revise history in to the quintessential American dream. American history has been white washed into apple pie and baseball. While many great and wonderful things have been done by white Americans lets not forget those "Fathers" of ours were enslaving blacks and killing the Natives of this country. History needs to reflect that... that way we don't fall into the trap of arrogance and self-righteousness. We SCREAM about "illegal" aliens these days without ANY moral shame. Everyone who's come to this country from 1490 until the United States of America was formed came here "illegally". Whites didn't come here with altruistic goals in mind, they came to benefit THEMSELVES just like anyone else. English trading companies came to steal resources, Christian Missionaries came to convert the peaceful masses, and People looking to just make a living on basically "free" land. We forced black slaves to speak English, yet Spanish on occasion is anti-American. When we go to war and civilians are killed we call them collateral damage, when anyone else does it we selectively label them as terrorists(depending on if we need something from them or not). So to turn around and judge anyone ESPECIALLY the black community with a severe eye is hypocritical and the height of immorality.

We judge others by thier actions and ourselves by our thoughts....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

No volunteers from the white guys to go to DTW inner city... I thought we were color blind?

 

[Big Beer Belly]

No volunteers from the white guys to go to DTW inner city... I thought we were color blind?

Rez,

You must be exceptionally slow on the uptake to have missed the point of the last 150 or so posts... I'll repeat it s-l-o-w-l-y... no white guys were invited. Only BLACK pilots need apply... and apparently only BLACK pilots from a similarly underprivileged background in particular need apply. The original poster (Psycho) is a white airline pilot with a child who attends the very school in question.

I suggest you try Reading Dynamics for better comprehension in the future.

BBB

 

[jke406]

No volunteers from the white guys to go to DTW inner city... I thought we were color blind?

If you're going to presume to lecture us, perhaps you should take the day off and non-rev up there? If not, shut your yapper.

 

[John Pennekamp]

No volunteers from the white guys to go to DTW inner city... I thought we were color blind?

I volunteered twice dumbass. Keep running your mouth, Rez. PM me with the details.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Rez,

You must be exceptionally slow on the uptake to have missed the point of the last 150 or so posts... I'll repeat it s-l-o-w-l-y... no white guys were invited. Only BLACK pilots need apply... and apparently only BLACK pilots from a similarly underprivileged background in particular need apply. The original poster (Psycho) is a white airline pilot with a child who attends the very school in question.

I suggest you try Reading Dynamics for better comprehension in the future.

BBB

More accurately, we honkeys we told we're not welcome, because black inner city kids can't relate to some white guy telling them how great piloting is. They have to relate to a brotha who shares their background and overcame the same "obstacles". Funny, there's lots of poor white kids in Detroit, Rouge, Warren, Eastpointe, Hamtramck, Dearborn, and lots of other crappy ghettos. But as you said, only blacks need apply. THAT is the true irony of this discussion about racism. It's ok for them to discriminate, but not for us.

 

[jke406]

One specific Demographic is being requested you Moron. Please reread my original post.
Every time I visit this website I am embarrassed to be an Airline Pilot.
No suprise that we have been so completely bent over by management. They may be morally bankrupt but at least they continued to mature after High School.

It turns out there was a specific demographic being requested. Care to rephrase your high-minded rant, genius?