Organization Of Black Airline Pilots

[Amish RakeFight]

Good post Reebo.

 

[Sticky]

Triple B,

I think you might be a fun guy to drink beers with. I cannot understand why you always come across as a big league tool when you post.

We already have an organization of white airline pilots. They just screwed up the acronym. It is called ALPA.

I would also be up for a new organization called something like Blue Collar Pilots Association. Seems like every buys their jobs these days.

Ding! Ding! We have a winner folks! The most horrible post of the year so far!

 

[Sticky]

This thread is just sad. The guy was just looking for someone to go into an inner city school to talk to impoverished black kids about becoming a pilot. Oh, the horrors.

For a smart guy, you can be pretty dumb sometimes.

 

[Redtailer]

Wow, this is just unbelievable.

How many people here who are opposed to OBAP have actually been to a meeting, convention, sponsored event, or heck even seen it on video?

How can you call an organization racist if you don't even know what it's really about? The comparisons of OBAP to any racist organization is flat out wrong. The KKK has repeatedly spit its messages of hate. The Arians, nazis organizations, etc. You know where these people stand.

So you just call it a racist organization because this is what you want to believe opposed to doing some research.

Lastly, when was the last time AOPA, AIR Inc., ALPA or any other alphabet group decided to visit or mentor pilots from inner city or predominantly non-caucasian schools?

Growing up I NEVER saw any of those groups in my school or in any others. OBAP was there.

There is a gap in the system and OBAP seeks to fill that gap.

I am all for someone starting OWAP. Good luck getting members not because of being labeled racist, but it would collapse due to a lack of funding because the market is already flooded with such organizations already (AIR Inc., AOPA, etc.).

Simply put, when the other organizations start actively recruiting and mentoring in ALL segments of the population equally there will no longer be a need for OBAP.

 

[pipe]

The guy getting the most votes for President is black. The most votes of ANYBODY in either party is black.

His strongest demographic is the black voter -- followed by HIGHLY EDUCATED WHITE PEOPLE!!!! (the smart white people want nothing to do with Hillary)

So where does it end? Is this not proof positive that the need for affirmative action is over? My message to the welfare and reparations crowd after Obama wins is this - if a black man can be president of the most powerful nation in the world, then there are no excuses left.

This may finally be a chance to move past all of this crap.

PIPE

 

[PCL_128]

To clarify, I don't support affirmative action at all. But affirmative action has nothing to do with OBAP or the original intent of this thread.

 

[pipe]

Wow, this is just unbelievable.

How many people here who are opposed to OBAP have actually been to a meeting, convention, sponsored event, or heck even seen it on video?

How can you call an organization racist if you don't even know what it's really about? The comparisons of OBAP to any racist organization is flat out wrong. The KKK has repeatedly spit its messages of hate. The Arians, nazis organizations, etc. You know where these people stand.

So you just call it a racist organization because this is what you want to believe opposed to doing some research.

Lastly, when was the last time AOPA, AIR Inc., ALPA or any other alphabet group decided to visit or mentor pilots from inner city or predominantly non-caucasian schools?

Growing up I NEVER saw any of those groups in my school or in any others. OBAP was there.

There is a gap in the system and OBAP seeks to fill that gap.

I am all for someone starting OWAP. Good luck getting members not because of being labeled racist, but it would collapse due to a lack of funding because the market is already flooded with such organizations already (AIR Inc., AOPA, etc.).

Simply put, when the other organizations start actively recruiting and mentoring in ALL segments of the population equally there will no longer be a need for OBAP.

I went to a lily-white rural high school. No one ever came to tell us about being a pilot. Was that because we were white? Or did OBAP not give a presentation because we are white? Woe is me. We had to figure it out ON OUR OWN!!!

PIPE

 

[Amish RakeFight]

The guy getting the most votes for President is black. The most votes of ANYBODY in either party is black.

His strongest demographic is the black voter -- followed by HIGHLY EDUCATED WHITE PEOPLE!!!! (the smart white people want nothing to do with Hillary)

So where does it end? Is this not proof positive that the need for affirmative action is over? My message to the welfare and reparations crowd after Obama wins is this - if a black man can be president of the most powerful nation in the world, then there are no excuses left.

This may finally be a chance to move past all of this crap.

PIPE

Pipe, that is too simplistic. It is much broader than "whites voting for a black candidate." If you think this indicates the eradication of racism and prejudice in this country, there's a bridge for sale with your name on it.

 

[jke406]

Pipe, that is too simplistic. It is much broader than "whites voting for a black candidate." If you think this indicates the eradication of racism and prejudice in this country, there's a bridge for sale with your name on it.

What exactly is your "non simplistic" formula for figuring out when the "eradication of racism and prejudice in this country" has occurred?

It sure as hell won't happen as long as there is an OBAP or any organization whose existence is defined by racial differences.

 

[pipe]

Pipe, that is too simplistic. It is much broader than "whites voting for a black candidate." If you think this indicates the eradication of racism and prejudice in this country, there's a bridge for sale with your name on it.

Can I get the government to spot me a low-interest loan for this bridge? Maybe some sort of a tax incentive program for the disadvantaged? Or maybe I could get this bridge from you without a fair bid if I hire a bunch of minorities at my bridge company.

I will look into it and get back to you.

PIPE

 

[ImRickJames]

If you want to tell someone they are stupid, then make it sound a bit more intelligent:

You're so stupid...

I saying you stupid. learn talk english. Go back you country!

 

[ImRickJames]

Racism is racism. Organizations such as OBAP feel it is acceptable to have a race-based agenda because their constituents have historically been persecuted. I, and others, disagree. If this society is to progress to one of color-blindness (the ideal as espoused by MLK) then organizations that are race-based continue to perpetuate racism. Taking the emotion out of this touchy subject, I fail to see how anyone can argue this important point. Attempting to "right" a wrong with another wrong (affirmative action) is wrong, IMO.

The Organization of Black Airline Pilots is clearly a group of individuals identified by their race. The same goes for the Congressional Black Caucus (promotes causes of interest in the black community), the United Negro College Fund (ostensibly funds gathered benefit only blacks), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (again the organization's title appears self-explanatory).

I do not support any organization which attempts to divide our society based on race, gender or sexual orientation. For this reason, I am also not a proponent of Women In Aviation.

If not now, then when exactly do we internalize the teachings of great civil rights leaders and start treating (judging) each other by the content of one's character rather than the color of one's skin? The same question goes for gender?



BBB

I agree with you. We don't need any other race or gender taking more than the the 1% jobs they have. I mean c'mon, they get everything they need and they are never discriminated against. I'm tired of being discriminated against, at my pilot interview they told me that they already had 9,000+ white pilots and 50 minorities and they weren't sure if they were going to give me the job or to the 51st minority or woman. ALPA and every other pilot organization should be enough. Jeez, soon they'll want to be President.

 

[ImRickJames]

So I guess I shouldn't start up OCRAP?

I'll call it the Organization of Conservative Republican Airline Pilots. Might help some of my other bro's get jobs...

So your gonna combine ALPA, APA, SWAPA and call it OCRAP. It's got a nice ring. I like it.

 

[AC560]

Growing up I NEVER saw any of those groups in my school or in any others. OBAP was there.

So there are no poor white people, Chinese people, Hispanic people? Why not advocate an organization that is for helping underprivileged kids and skip the whole race thing.

 

[Big Beer Belly]

So there are no poor white people, Chinese people, Hispanic people? Why not advocate an organization that is for helping underprivileged kids and skip the whole race thing.

Careful AC560... you're teetering on the pivotal truth here. OBAP is not seeking equal treatment, a color-blind society, or any such "nonsense". It's a classic racist organization seeking "SPECIAL TREATMENT".

Visit their website and you will see they have "negotiated" special deals with certain airlines for BLACK applicants to receive "special consideration".

This is 2008; a BLACK presidential candidate has received broad national support and could very well become our next president. For some who have a ve$ted interest in perpetuating the racial divisions in society this is terrible news. It's terrible because it indicates that our nation is not nearly as racially divided as the race-baiting activists would have you believe. Imagine the fund-raising challenges these societal pariahs will have if a BLACK president is elected President of the United States.

BBB

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

BBB:

If you character promotes colorless or color blindness then it wouldn't matter to you if a white guy or a black guy was requested....

Go to the inner city my man... your character is calling you.....

 

[Dizel8]

BBB:

If you character promotes colorless or color blindness then it wouldn't matter to you if a white guy or a black guy was requested....

So if it said whites only........................?

 

[AC560]

So if it said whites only........................?

Al Sharpton would be calling for your head.......

 

[Big Beer Belly]

BBB:

If you character promotes colorless or color blindness then it wouldn't matter to you if a white guy or a black guy was requested....

Go to the inner city my man... your character is calling you.....

Rez,

A famous saying loosely translated comes to mind:

It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

BBB

 

[frog_flyer]

I'm founding the NCAA.

National Caucasian Advancement Association.



.... we're still knee deep in litigation with some entity called the "National Collegiate Athletic Association."

Funds for the war chest are always welcome. PM for details.
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[DoubtingThomas]

For the first time ever, if General Lee were to interject on this thread, it would be a definite step up.

Seems to me, the purpose of the thread, before it's massive de-railment, was to solicit the help of anyone who wants to go speak at inner-city schools.

Can anybody deny that black kids in America, and perhaps Detroit especially, need positive role-models to come talk to them and show that they care?

IMO the best scenario would be to have a black AND a white pilot go speak together. The reasons for this are obvious. Anyway, I'm a Michigan native and only a 3 hour drive from Detroit. I'd be interested in helping if I'm able.

P.S. RAH captain, (I know it's a regional OMG!), white guy...

 

[Tweaker]

_____My electric co-op magazine had a letter to the editor that claimed that all Americans are African Americans. Since the proponderance of scientific evidence has concluded that all modern humans descended from ancestors that originated in Africa, ALL AMERICANS ARE AFRICAN AMERICAN.
_____Good logic, works for me. Anyone wanna try that at their next interview?
_____Now let's all sing Koombaya, beeotches!:beer:

 

[John Pennekamp]

BBB:

If you character promotes colorless or color blindness then it wouldn't matter to you if a white guy or a black guy was requested....

Go to the inner city my man... your character is calling you.....

I'm still waiting for your PM, Rez. I'll meet with you and we'll go talk to the kids in Detroit together. Time to step up, little man. Send me the details.

 

[SUNDOWN]

I'll admit I didn't read this whole thread, but aren't like 98% of airline pilots white. Why do so may people feel threatend? Also if I understand it correctly, everyone is allowed too join OBAP and welcomed in with opened arms. To the pilots who want a white airline pilots assoc. That would be great but based on what need. Remember that for years pilots who were not white (women,minorities,etc) had a very hard time obtaining interviews and jobs due to the social structure at the time. Hence these organizations were created. Now that the enviorment is more equitable, there is a backlash against the names of these org's. It makes no sense that OBAP or any other org. change their name in order to assuage pilots who are ignorant of the true intent of these groups. It's kind of of a moot point anyway. Regionals are now giving signing bonuses to anyone willing to show up. My how times have changed.

 

[Skank]

I have no problem with OBAP, just want equal rights. Got a problem with that?

If you find yourself in a federal penitentiary there are some excellent groups you could join who would "represent" you.

 

[Foxcow]

I have no problem with OBAP, just want equal rights. Got a problem with that?

I hope this is a joke.

 

[SUNDOWN]

Al Sharpton would be calling for your head.......

I would rather have someone open their mouth to reveal their ignorance like Sharpton than to cloak it as an "honest mistake" for the sake of political ambition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Participation_in_the_Ku_Klux_Klan

 

[jke406]

I would rather have someone open their mouth to reveal their ignorance like Sharpton than to cloak it as an "honest mistake" for the sake of political ambition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Participation_in_the_Ku_Klux_Klan

Speaking of "ignorance," your signature fills that bill.

Thanks for the hypocrisy, though.

 

[ImRickJames]

Idiots

The greatest part of this whole thread is that it started as a simple question and flamed by those inividuals who are "so very concerned" about that discrimination of OBAP. First of all, you have just incriminated all the major and regional airlines because they have close ties to the organization. So whoever you work for, make sure you write your CEO and tell them you don't appreciate your employer associating with such a heinous organization.

Best of all, the typical "I know whats best for you" attitude, mostly displayed by either conservative or evangelical or so called christians. My guess is that you probably fit into one of these hypocritical groups. Try this on for size. Mind your own business and try running your own life and stop acting like you know what's best for everyone else or every other race.

You guys make me laugh. The Bush's and Huckabee's of this world. Round em up and put em in a circus! Oh yeah, did I mention mind your business! You guys are a funny bunch.

 

[737 Pylt]

Speaking of "ignorance," your signature fills that bill.

Thanks for the hypocrisy, though.

:laugh:
This coming from the same doosh posting as tanker clown!

Shouldn't you be getting your white mask to the dry cleaners?

737