One Rate for Comair? Thanx SkyWest

[Flyer1015]

First off, you need to read my post. It was an average!!!!!! ( otherwise known as a form of blended rate).All I'm going by is what is on two web sites. It says that the 135 pays 69 max. The 145 pays 80. XJT guys got a pay raise. Good on ya!!!!!!!! Let's do the math shall we? 92.41+81.69/2=87.05 87.05 is your new average at Express Jet.


AF

Mathematically speaking, the "averages" idea works so as long as both groups you speak of are roughly broken down 50/50. In another words, it would assume that there are 50% ERJ-135s and 50% ERJ-145s.

However, it is not 50/50, in fact:

30 of the -135s

236 of the -145s (by end of 2005).

 

[ArcticFlier]

Mathematically speaking, the "averages" idea works so as long as both groups you speak of are roughly broken down 50/50. In another words, it would assume that there are 50% ERJ-135s and 50% ERJ-145s.

However, it is not 50/50, in fact:

30 of the -135s

236 of the -145s (by end of 2005).

I'm aware it's not perfect..................but it does make the point, nonetheless.


AF

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

First off, you need to read my post. It was an average!!!!!! ( otherwise known as a form of blended rate).All I'm going by is what is on two web sites. It says that the 135 pays 69 max. The 145 pays 80. XJT guys got a pay raise. Good on ya!!!!!!!! Let's do the math shall we? 92.41+81.69/2=87.05 87.05 is your new average at Express Jet.


AF

I think he was just making it a point that your first "average post" was inaccurate.

TA

 

[bvt1151]

Whether it's a blended rate or not your managment would be gunning for that $17 million. If SKYW got a new payscale tomorrow with $20 override for the 70 seater do you think that concession demands at CMR would go away?

Quit looking for a scapegoat. We're just not buying it.

The concessions stink, but the blended rates are the only real slap in the face. 90-seat aircraft for $90 an hour MAX? Thats even worse than Mesa and Chautauqua. What other regional airline has proven pilots are willing to work for one rate? Only Skywest. I'm not saying they were malicious in voting it in, I just think it illustrates how a single pilot groups "innocent" decision affects the whole regional industry.

I think a non-blended-rate agreement at Skywest would eliminate the blended rate agreement being forced down Comair's throat. Remember, the judge wants to see precidence. If a pilot group actually voted for a blended rate, he'll think it can't be unfair for Comair to be forced into one.

Look at the Comair future rates and compare them to Skywest's. They are 5% less than Skywest across the board. Freds offered an identical Skywest payscale minus 5%. Now tell me again this has nothing to do with Skywest?

 

[ILS2DH]

These payrates suck, no doubt. But I don't think we need to worry about flying 90 seaters at these rates -- we're NEVER going to get them. Just more BS from Fred. Delta will (and should I believe) get them, NW is setting up shop for 70s and 90s, and US Air is getting them as well. 90 seat pay scales at regionals are just bait, that's all.

 

[JI Gone OH]

90-seat aircraft for $90 an hour MAX?

I.M.H.O., we should only be negotiating pay scales for equipment we have on the property....

 

[JI Gone OH]

and US Air is getting them as well.

I thought that Mid Atlantic's 90's were going to CHQ?

 

[ILS2DH]

Mid Atlantic's 70s went to CHQ. Not sure what happened to their pilots. About a month or so ago I read that they would be getting 90s. Makes you wonder what will happen to the 90s that Mesa flies for AWA.

 

[crzepilot]

I don't think the pilot group should stand for this, this is not a union, I know that alpa would incur penalties for a strike, but who gives 2 cents now, all pilots should just get together and have our own walk out. This is BS

 

[JI Gone OH]

Mid Atlantic's 70s went to CHQ.

You're absolutely correct; I was still waking up.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Look at the Comair future rates and compare them to Skywest's. They are 5% less than Skywest across the board. Freds offered an identical Skywest payscale minus 5%. Now tell me again this has nothing to do with Skywest?

Look. I guess you just don't get it. CMR pilots wages would be under attack regardless of SKYW's long expired TA. Managment is after 17 or so million bucks. They have chosen to try and cram a blended rate down CMR pilots throats. Would you feel better if they separated the rates and still made you take a paycut? The bottom line is the total payroll is being reduced. It's just a matter of how the pain is being spread. The union might be able to negotiate separate rates but they are going to be a lower than they are now.

I got out of this industry for a period of time thanks to CMR and other airlines that went to PFT. I wasn't about to spend 10 grand for a 12,000 a year job. I watched guys with fewer hours and less experience move into the regional jobs. Those are the same people that will be most effected by these paycuts. I worked in the construction industry while some guys and gals bought their jobs and supported a practice that was extremely detrimental to the profession. Don't lecture me about how SKYW is the reason for CMR paycuts. The mothership is bankrupt. Maybe you didn't get the memo.

 

[strega7]

Well said Dave! Think of where we might be if the Comair pilot group had said NO! to PFT. But those guys wanted jobs so bad they would even pay for them! That's like worse than Ho Jets or something.

 

[ArcticFlier]

I think he was just making it a point that your first "average post" was inaccurate.

TA

How was it inaccurate? I said it was an average between pay rates for the different, but similar aircraft. To further expand, I didn't have the time (nor inclination) to break down each individual airlines total fleet number and apply it to the final number. Would that have been more accurate? You bet. Regardless, my point was made.

Thanks for saying that my post was my first average one. I'm assuming the rest have been top notch.

AF

 

[jehtplane]

Well said Dave! Think of where we might be if the Comair pilot group had said NO! to PFT. But those guys wanted jobs so bad they would even pay for them! That's like worse than Ho Jets or something.

PFT was the norm in the 90's, it was not paying for a job, would you go to Southwest? What is the difference?

 

[pilot772]

Mid Atlantic's 70s went to CHQ. Not sure what happened to their pilots. About a month or so ago I read that they would be getting 90s. Makes you wonder what will happen to the 90s that Mesa flies for AWA.

I believe that Amerca west and Usair mainline pilots secured scope for these airplanes. (the emb-190 will be flown at mainline) Included in this agreement was the ability for upwards of 90: crj9 and emb170 to be flown by express carriers(mesa,chq, awac, etc)