One Rate for Comair? Thanx SkyWest

[JI Gone OH]

Management's proposal was just released. They are offering one rate for all equipment (Turbojets), from 40-100 seats, and they are LOW! (below industry average). An insincere thank you to the group from SLC!!

 

[Rogue5]

Well, vote no then...

 

[Tim47SIP]

Not good!

JUST SAY NO!

There, that will fix it uke:

 

[JI Gone OH]

JUST SAY NO!

There, that will fix it uke:

Now there's a great idea.... I don't think we get a vote in Chapter 11! Why are we the only one's that are supposed to say no, anyway? Why has everyone else caved since 2001? (and don't give me the 9/11 excuse).

 

[Sinca3]

Well with rates that low you can almost guarantee you will underbid everyone else in the DCI system! So, you might actually see 90-100 seaters. Sorry to hear you folks are getting this $hit shoved in your face...........
Good Luck

 

[V-1]

Well with rates that low you can almost guarantee you will underbid everyone else in the DCI system! So, you might actually see 90-100 seaters. Sorry to hear you folks are getting this $hit shoved in your face...........
Good Luck

Thanks for your support.

 

[Shrek]

Now there's a great idea.... I don't think we get a vote in Chapter 11! Why are we the only one's that are supposed to say no, anyway? Why has everyone else caved since 2001? (and don't give me the 9/11 excuse).

TSA voted no bubba......

 

[Rogue5]

SkyWest just did as well...

80% participation: 71% No, 29% Yes.

 

[CFIT]

Management's proposal was just released. They are offering one rate for all equipment (Turbojets), from 40-100 seats, and they are LOW! (below industry average). An insincere thank you to the group from SLC!!

Relax, slip into something comfortable.

Maybe your thong is on too tight.

Maybe you have period puffiness.

 

[JI Gone OH]

SkyWest just did as well...

80% participation: 71% No, 29% Yes.

They agreed to fly 70 seaters for 50 seat rates though, didn't they?

 

[JI Gone OH]

Maybe you have period puffiness.

It's not that, I missed my cycle. Maybe I'm pregnant ;-)

 

[JI Gone OH]

TSA voted no bubba......

I was generalizing a little bit, sorry for the misunderstanding. How did you know my name was Bubba?

 

[Rogue5]

They agreed to fly 70 seaters for 50 seat rates though, didn't they?

I did not, nor did a majority of the pilots on property at this time. SkyWest has hired almost a thousand pilots since that vote was taken, out of a total pilot group of only about 2,200. Many lessons have been learned since then. Many things have changed. The last vote overwhelmingly in the negative was hopefully only the beginning.

Best of luck to you guys in your current battle, though.

We all need it...

 

[jehtplane]

They agreed to fly 70 seaters for 50 seat rates though, didn't they?

Didn't you agree to a pay freeze with the assuption of getting more jets? Pot calling the kettle black?

 

[N590MA]

Don't feel like the only ones. I'm sure our management will want us to fly our ARJ's for 50 seat rates, and our Saabs for Metroliner rates. Of course that is with no work rules. Guess we all are in for a rough ride.

 

[JI Gone OH]

Didn't you agree to a pay freeze with the assuption of getting more jets? Pot calling the kettle black?

Yeah, 4 years after everyone else in the DCI system agreed to underbid us. What should we do, continue to tell Mgmt. to pack sand..... Alone? Get real.

 

[JI Gone OH]

Don't feel like the only ones. I'm sure our management will want us to fly our ARJ's for 50 seat rates, and our Saabs for Metroliner rates. Of course that is with no work rules. Guess we all are in for a rough ride.

My sentiments to you guys as well. I know we're not alone...

 

[jehtplane]

Yeah, 4 years after everyone else in the DCI system agreed to underbid us. What should we do, continue to tell Mgmt. to pack sand..... Alone? Get real.

Uh, the ASA pilot group was approached with an offer of a pay freeze and we told management to go pound dirt. If ASA was able to win the RFP which they did, which I am sure DCI knew where those airplanes were going anyway, the ASA pilot group gave nothing!... I do wish you all the best.

 

[JI Gone OH]

Uh, the ASA pilot group was approached with an offer of a pay freeze and we told management to go pound dirt. If ASA was able to win the RFP which they did, which I am sure DCI knew where those airplanes were going anyway, the ASA pilot group gave nothing!... I do wish you all the best.

You won the RFP (along with SKYW and CHQ) because you were cheaper than we were, regardless how you voted on the freeze. It's that simple.

 

[jehtplane]

You won the RFP (along with SKWY and CHQ) because you were cheaper than we were, regardless how you voted on the freeze. It's that simple.

Sounds like poor management to me, and I thought ours was bad, still not Skywest's fault. anyway good luck to you folks just the same.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Before blaming SKYW you might want to consider the fact your parent company is in bankruptcy and your counterparts at mainline DAL may soon be flying left seat in narrowbody jets for less than what a senior SKY captain makes.

Thinks where rates might have been if it wasn't for PFT. Can't blame that one on SKYW.

 

[meatwallet]

SkyWest just did as well...

80% participation: 71% No, 29% Yes.

That's PATHETIC. Amost 1/3rd of your pilot group!!!!! Looks like the senior guys are looking out for the junior ones.

 

[blackbox]

Dont try to put this on SKywest just because they arent ALPA or represented by any other union. Mesaba F/o has one payscale and PSA has a blended rate, but its much worse than Skywest's.

 

[General Lee]

Before blaming SKYW you might want to consider the fact your parent company is in bankruptcy and your counterparts at mainline DAL may soon be flying left seat in narrowbody jets for less than what a senior SKY captain makes.

Thinks where rates might have been if it wasn't for PFT. Can't blame that one on SKYW.

Say what? Are you sure about that Dave? Airlinepilotpay.com says your 18 year Captains make $93 an hour. Even after our pay cuts (proposed 19.5%), I will still make about $125 an hour (a lot lower than the $160 an hour it is now) on the MD88 as a Captain. Get your facts straight. Oh, are you talking about the 100 seaters? Oh, those narrowbodies. Well, the USAir/AWA rates for the E190 are about $98 an hour, so we may have some negotiating room there. We shall see.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[crashpad]

I thought the rates looked respectable for a feeder.

 

[USC328]

That's PATHETIC. Amost 1/3rd of your pilot group!!!!! Looks like the senior guys are looking out for the junior ones.

Don't be soo sure. I'm 100 from the bottom of the list and I voted no.

 

[meatwallet]

Don't be soo sure. I'm 100 from the bottom of the list and I voted no.

of course you did, cause that's what, like $0.20 raise?

80% voted (out of 2000+), and a third said yes! Simply disgusting.

 

[172driver]

We may have these rates forced upon us by the judge but that doesn't mean we have to accept them. You guys can attack SKYW pilots all you want but if we fly for these rates, we are truly scum. At least their blended rate is reasonable...this is ridiculous.

The proposed scale is absolutely bottom of the industry. It is equivalent to Mesa's 70 seat scale, but at least they can move up to the 900 and make a little more. I will walk before I fly one hour in a jet for this kind of money.

Until now, I have given Fred the benefit of the doubt. Now, I'd love to give him a kick in the nuts. I have almost three years in and can start over somewhere else. I had hoped not to but this will force my hand. I feel extremely sorry for the older guys who really have nowhere to go and just wanted to stick it out for their last years.

 

[skyslug]

These proposed rates really bite, there's no question about that... however this is just round one. I suspect (hope) our union will get the information they need and then counter. This blended rate really favors the 50 seat jet. If we are to eventually get larger scale aircraft (70 and above) to replace the 50 then this rate is a double whammy for us and a huge benefit for the company! I am sure our union is well aware of this (?).

Personally I would rather this be resolved with our input and vote versus going to Prudence.

 

[swampfan]

I am sure the union is well aware of the hit we would take if larger a/c were to come. Our negotiating folks are very good and will get what they can before sending something to the membership. I very much doubt this will get sent to our membership because it would be a waste of time. We would overwhelmingly reject this, so they might as well go ahead and reject it for us. When we do vote, I am sure there will be some compromises there and hopefully some contract improvements that won't cost money.