NWA wants DOH

[ACL65PILOT]

I still think that it is funny that you think the 767 is not a wide body. What is it? A wide narrow body?
Geez

 

[Scope out RJ's]

I still think that it is funny that you think the 767 is not a wide body. What is it? A wide narrow body?
Geez

Its just not super duper, ultra premium, radical gnarly, really cool, awsome wide body!

 

[MXAV8R]

Superpilot, gotta stop wasting time on this idiot. I'm with you, but he'll never see your point. It's a shame, because 99% of the DAL pilots you meet are great guys, but THIS is where the "$hit don't stink" stigma comes from.

There are a few bad (or blindly arrogant) apples in every barrel. Don't judge the whole group by this guy.

MX, I'm glad you're proud of where you work. However your tact and humility leave plenty to be desired. Consider how you may come across to those less fortunate (or dare I say lucky???) than yourself.

Okay...I'll take a lashing...My post did come across arrogant. I without a doubt know how lucky I am... And,yes, luck has a big role in this industry. We all want whats fair for both pilot groups.

 

[Schwanker]

I still think that it is funny that you think the 767 is not a wide body. What is it? A wide narrow body?
Geez

It's the smallest wide body there is and is jointly classed with large narrow bodies. It also goes very junior on your list, which goes to show it isn't the premium flying the larger (>500K) wide bodies are.

Schwanker

 

[Schwanker]

Its just not super duper, ultra premium, radical gnarly, really cool, awsome wide body!

Scope-that's why it goes junior on the DAL seniority list.

Schwanker

 

[Schwanker]

Yawn, my point is proven yet again. You guys never will wise up, neither will your lawyer. The only question is will you continue holding your breath if you lose?

That lawyer, who many NWA guys were less than fond of, made your expert witnesses/pilots look really silly on the stand. They couldn't even begin to defend your indefensible position.

Schwanker

 

[Noserider76]

That lawyer, who many NWA guys were less than fond of, made your expert witnesses/pilots look really silly on the stand. They couldn't even begin to defend your indefensible position.

Schwanker

Hmmm. Read all the transcripts thoroughly and never saw that part.

Brings up the question though, did we think the US Airways/AWA integration (or lack of) went so well that we had to hire the same lawyers or did one party hire one first and the other felt compelled to respond? Old Mr Katz does seem like a one trick pony.

 

[General Lee]

I guess you could lump them into 3 categories then:

NWA's 60+ 747's/330s with DAL's 10 777s.

75/76 Class aircraft (large NB/tiny old WB)

737/A320/DC-9/MD-80

Combine those groupings with a dynamic list to consider respective retirements and you're getting closer. Without dynamic, this would be a huge windfall for the DAL side as DAL has very little premium widebody flying as they only have 10 777s-that's it!

Schwanker

Ooops, you forgot some. First, the 767-400 is equal to your A330, and your 742s are on the way out. And, the 767-300s (which are also counted as "widebodies" at UAL, AAL, and bigger than CAL's 767-200s and USAir's 767-200s) cannot be missed, and will take over your Asia flying soon from a new SEA base while those SEA A330s go East to JFK. Can you recaluculate, please? Get rid of the 742s and some of the DC9s while you are at it. Also, add a bunch more 777s that are coming, while your 787s are not.(along with fences) And the DC9 should be in a category all by itself, since it will leave the fleet before the MD88, which is a lot larger anyway. That is the way the arbitrator panel will see it, and that is the way it was done with our joint contract pay wise.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

That lawyer, who many NWA guys were less than fond of, made your expert witnesses/pilots look really silly on the stand. They couldn't even begin to defend your indefensible position.

Schwanker

You mean like the Nicelau award? That was recent, right? Yeah.....I think it was..... Relative seniority with some positioning for "special items" (USAir had INTL flying that AWA did not, and NWA has planes going away, which DL does not....hmmm). Yeah, I think our propsal has merrit... Oh wait, DOH does.....riiight.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Scope-that's why it goes junior on the DAL seniority list.

Schwanker

Wait, I am probably senior to you, (or will be), and I fly the INTL widebody. That probably is because it is GREAT FLYING, and we have a lot of it to spread around. There are junior portions to all flying, if there is enough of it. You guys don't have as much, and therefore guys will even commute to DTW to do it. Same with us, except it happens to be NYC. The top half or better in NYC is senior, though. Great trips, overall.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PuffDriver]

That lawyer, who many NWA guys were less than fond of, made your expert witnesses/pilots look really silly on the stand. They couldn't even begin to defend your indefensible position.

Schwanker

More evidence. He made a fool of himself. Trying to equate age to seniority? Puleeaasssee. trying to bring up topics which are not allowed per agreement between the sides? Classy. Makes me wonder what other agreements the NWA side is going to break. Methinks something is starting to smell like USAir/AWA. Tiny problem though, you guys are NOT in the majority.

This is going to go bad quickly for the NW pilots, who cannot even keep their committees together.

 

[General Lee]

More evidence. He made a fool of himself. Trying to equate age to seniority? Puleeaasssee. trying to bring up topics which are not allowed per agreement between the sides? Classy. Makes me wonder what other agreements the NWA side is going to break. Methinks something is starting to smell like USAir/AWA. Tiny problem though, you guys are NOT in the majority.

This is going to go bad quickly for the NW pilots, who cannot even keep their committees together.

I don't think pay rates are used in these talks? Or are they?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Read the side letter again. JPWA pay rates.

 

[Schwanker]

You mean like the Nicelau award? That was recent, right? Yeah.....I think it was..... Relative seniority with some positioning for "special items" (USAir had INTL flying that AWA did not, and NWA has planes going away, which DL does not....hmmm). Yeah, I think our propsal has merrit... Oh wait, DOH does.....riiight.



Bye Bye--General Lee

SS-
I know you elite DAL guys like to equate NWA to USAIR. In case you didn't realize it, NWA is in a stronger financial position than DAL. With until this quarters numbers come out.

I also like your mythical fleet expectations of each side, based on zero foundation. DAL had 10 777s with I believe ZERO firm orders (I could be wrong as I haven't looked it up to be sure-I'm sure you'll correct me) when this merger was announced. NWA is updating it's freighter fleet while you are convinced it's going away. There is no more credibility to that than your old 767 fleet and MDs going away, but yet you like to spew it as fact.

Schwanker

 

[Schwanker]

I don't think pay rates are used in these talks? Or are they?


Bye Bye--General Lee

SS-
It really doesn't matter, the new rates have been negotiated. NWA gave up a lot for these new rates in an effort to have unity with the DAL side even though many on the DAL side attempted to leverage their position against the NWA side with LOA 19.

Why was it DAL ALPA requested to lower the rates on the A330? DALPA asked for lower rates, not management. Management gladly obliged. Why did DALPA insist on lower rates for an aircraft? I thought you'd prefer to see higher pay rates.