NWA Pool

[Simon Says]

General,

That 450 on the NWA side, would those be hired through NWA at MSP?

What happened with NetJets??? I had a phone interview after you and got flushed shortly their after, but I thought you were still waiting to hear.

 

[ERfly]

What happened with NetJets??? I had a phone interview after you and got flushed shortly their after, but I thought you were still waiting to hear.

I am still waiting to hear, but it's been 4 months. I'm not holding my breath.

 

[General Lee]

You can see Russia from our crew room there.

Yeah, your NWA proposal is a lot like USAir East's. How'd that come out, anyway? Just because you ask for the moon doesn't mean you'll get it, or even "middle ground." Nope. And I used to do ANC almost exclusively in the summer nonstop from ATL. The last two years though have had a 764 on it, a non premium widebody larger than your A332.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

General,

That 450 on the NWA side, would those be hired through NWA at MSP?

Probably I would guess. Until the seperate certificates are merged (SOC), everything will stay status quo.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[hockeypilot44]

Yeah, your NWA proposal is a lot like USAir East's. How'd that come out, anyway? Just because you ask for the moon doesn't mean you'll get it, or even "middle ground." Nope. And I used to do ANC almost exclusively in the summer nonstop from ATL. The last two years though have had a 764 on it, a non premium widebody larger than your A332.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Do you have to put your opinion of the merger on every damn thread? We get it. You think NWA's proposal is not realistic. What you think does not matter. The only thing that matters is the arbitrators' opinions. Maybe you're right, maybe you're not, but I am tired of reading your repetitive posts over and over again. Stop hijacking threads.

 

[DTW320]

Yeah, your NWA proposal is a lot like USAir East's. How'd that come out, anyway? Just because you ask for the moon doesn't mean you'll get it, or even "middle ground." Nope. And I used to do ANC almost exclusively in the summer nonstop from ATL. The last two years though have had a 764 on it, a non premium widebody larger than your A332.

Bye Bye--General Lee

USAir East's position was DOH with no conditions and restrictions. They were warned several times before the ruling that they should modify that. They disagreed.

Also, you're showing your typical ignorance.....the NWA proposal classifies the 767400 as a premium widebody. We have 11 A332 that seat the same as your transatlantic 764's. We also have 21 A333's that are larger than any of your 764's. But, Hey!....at least your ignorance doesn't seem to interfere with your arrogance. So, you've got that going for you.

Thanks for playing!

BTW, No comments on any other points in my post other than the "seeing Russia" part? Nothing in the official DALPA Talking Points (TM) yet? Pity.

 

[General Lee]

USAir East's position was DOH with no conditions and restrictions. They were warned several times before the ruling that they should modify that. They disagreed.

Also, you're showing your typical ignorance.....the NWA proposal classifies the 767400 as a premium widebody. We have 11 A332 that seat the same as your transatlantic 764's. We also have 21 A333's that are larger than any of your 764's. But, Hey!....at least your ignorance doesn't seem to interfere with your arrogance. So, you've got that going for you.

Thanks for playing!

BTW, No comments on any other points in my post other than the "seeing Russia" part? Nothing in the official DALPA Talking Points (TM) yet? Pity.

So, since you have 10 year fences it will happen then, right? Riiiiight. You must have thought McCain and Palin were going to win too? The problem with you guys is that you are used to whining and crying, and then getting your way. You go for the moon, and hope to get something in the middle. We won't play that game. Nicelau gave something that was fair, and that was 500 at the top for their differences, and then relative seniority. We asked for the same, but with 400 on the bottom for smaller and least paying planes, and planes leaving the fleet while we expand NOW, with better pay overall. (pre DCC is all that matters) Our lawyer has trounced yours and your witnesses, and all you have is that Bloch said we "are equals"---meaning one is not failing while the other is rescuing. We aren't equal in size, we aren't equal in planes, we weren't equal in pay, and our future orders weren't equal. Your pilots kept their pension, and ours left because of that. You now have our rules, and we don't have the pension. That blows most of your DOH reasoning out of the water. Most of your fleet is old, and many will be going away. Try to refute any of that please. Thanks for playing.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DTW320]

So, since you have 10 year fences it will happen then, right? Riiiiight.It makes it a VERY different position than the position of the USAir MEC. You keep bending over backwards to compare this merger to that one. Good Luck! You must have thought McCain and Palin were going to win too? The problem with you guys is that you are used to whining and crying, and then getting your way. I think there's enough "whining and crying" on BOTH sides to go around(pssst....remember how DALPA could "stop any merger" if they didn't get what they wanted......until they couldn't?) You go for the moon, and hope to get something in the middle. We won't play that game. Nicelau gave something that was fair, and that was 500 at the top for their differences, and then relative seniority. We asked for the same, but with 400 on the bottom for smaller and least paying planes,That's funny.....we don't have 400 DC9 FO's.....hmmmmmm. and planes leaving the fleet while we expand NOW, with better pay overall. (pre DCC is all that matters) Our lawyer has trounced yours and your witnesses,your heavily biased opinion only (HBOO) and all you have is that Bloch said we "are equals"---meaning one is not failing while the other is rescuing.We've got a lot more than that as any objective observer would agree (and has)....but according to you guys this is all just a formality....a show put on to give the appearance of due diligence....before simply awarding whatever DALPA wants.....I think you should embrace that idea....it will make the outcome even more entertaining for me. We aren't equal in size, we aren't equal in planes, we weren't equal in pay, and our future orders weren't equal.Agree....except that we were unequal in those metrics to a degree completely different than the degree of the differences in your proposal.....something the arbitrators know very well. Your pilots kept their pension,the majority of NWA pilots have a frozen amount close to what they would have received from the PBGC if it was terminated.....like you. and ours left because of that. You now have our rules, and we don't have the pension. That blows most of your DOH reasoning out of the water.Puhleeez....that's funny right there. Most of your fleet is old,about 4 years older than DAL in average fleet age....huge right? and many will be going away really?....which ones...I see you still have no comment on Bastians comments regarding price of fuel and the cargo division OR the DC9's staying around well past the next contract amendable date.. Try to refute any of that please.It was a pleasure! Thanks for playing.You're welcome!


Bye Bye--General Lee

You'll like ANC and the 742.

 

[OMNIDC10FO]

Has it been 30 months already?

Not even close, right? First flight was May, 2007!

 

[IFLYIMC]

Not even close, right? First flight was May, 2007!

Not first flight, DOH!

 

[DashTrash400]

We have four eligible for flowup right now; they're all management in flight ops or training & are unlikely to leave. I count a grand total of 10 Compass pilots that *aren't* management who will be eligible for flowup before the end of 2009. The number that actually take the flowup will probably depend on how the future viability of Compass is looking about that time.

 

[General Lee]

Originally Posted by General Lee
So, since you have 10 year fences it will happen then, right? Riiiiight.It makes it a VERY different position than the position of the USAir MEC. You keep bending over backwards to compare this merger to that one. Good Luck! You must have thought McCain and Palin were going to win too? The problem with you guys is that you are used to whining and crying, and then getting your way. I think there's enough "whining and crying" on BOTH sides to go around(pssst....remember how DALPA could "stop any merger" if they didn't get what they wanted......until they couldn't?) You go for the moon, and hope to get something in the middle. We won't play that game. Nicelau gave something that was fair, and that was 500 at the top for their differences, and then relative seniority. We asked for the same, but with 400 on the bottom for smaller and least paying planes,That's funny.....we don't have 400 DC9 FO's.....hmmmmmm. and planes leaving the fleet while we expand NOW, with better pay overall. (pre DCC is all that matters) Our lawyer has trounced yours and your witnesses,your heavily biased opinion only (HBOO) and all you have is that Bloch said we "are equals"---meaning one is not failing while the other is rescuing.We've got a lot more than that as any objective observer would agree (and has)....but according to you guys this is all just a formality....a show put on to give the appearance of due diligence....before simply awarding whatever DALPA wants.....I think you should embrace that idea....it will make the outcome even more entertaining for me. We aren't equal in size, we aren't equal in planes, we weren't equal in pay, and our future orders weren't equal.Agree....except that we were unequal in those metrics to a degree completely different than the degree of the differences in your proposal.....something the arbitrators know very well. Your pilots kept their pension,the majority of NWA pilots have a frozen amount close to what they would have received from the PBGC if it was terminated.....like you. and ours left because of that. You now have our rules, and we don't have the pension. That blows most of your DOH reasoning out of the water.Puhleeez....that's funny right there. Most of your fleet is old,about 4 years older than DAL in average fleet age....huge right? and many will be going away really?....which ones...I see you still have no comment on Bastians comments regarding price of fuel and the cargo division OR the DC9's staying around well past the next contract amendable date.. Try to refute any of that please.It was a pleasure! Thanks for playing.You're welcome!



DTW,

Your DOH argument is weak, just like USAir East's. You are bringing older planes that pay the least. Even with plans "changing" everyday, you are still losing DC9s, and the 742s will be sooner than later, something the arbitrators have probably seen in "confidential" hearings. We are bringing more widebodies and higher pay to the picture, while your senior guys benefit and keep their pensions. If you continue to say that your DC9s are only "4 years older" than our MD88s, I think I will and the arbitrators will start bursting out laughing. Can you name any other US Airlines that still use DC9s in pax configurations? One step into the cockpit will tell anyone how old that thing is. (but hey, it is a "workhorse...") And your pensions equal what we got? I got $36,000 that automatically went into the 401K, which is now sunk. Yeah, sounds equal.....Riiiight. A guaranteed $12,000 a month for senior captains is equal to 401K money that may or may not be there. And Eddie did talk to a DL crew about your meeting at MSP, and gave a good trip report, saying it was hostile initially, and he didn't want to make big waves, and could understand your own hostility towards past management. Yes, he will tell you what you want to hear. As soon as your unions are voted out and don't have to push back each plane at every station, things will move.

Keep trying to refute it all. It is entertaining. Ask your lawyer how it fealt losing with the USAir deal. And who is your "objective" observer? Was it your 744 Captain who admitted ratios were used in prior SLIs? Was it your A320FO who admitted attrition had never been used before? Was it your computer model specialist who admitted that a Jan 1st snapshot was used for fleet numbers, while omitting our 777s on firm order, and added 787 slots? Wow, maybe you are right?????? Oh yeah, Bloch said we were "equals...."


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[TNPILOT]

Why are we talking about the SLI on a NWA Pool thread again?

 

[AirportBum]

Why are we talking about the SLI on a NWA Pool thread again?

Exactly. The General seems to be taking an unhealthy pleasure in insisting that his company (Delta) will be (in his opinion) parking airplanes. For some reason in his mind, this is a good thing. He can't seem to get over it, and thus pollutes every thread with his rhetoric.

Good luck to the poolies, I'm pulling for ya. Hopefully we'll get some good info after this SLI business is over with, which should still keep most poolies within their "year."

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Because the junior RDs are getting nervous. The spin machine is in overdrive and will remain that way until the wisemen hand down the middle of the road list. Then wait for the real whining to begin.

Why are we talking about the SLI on a NWA Pool thread again?