Does anyone have any information for pilots placed in the NWA pool. One NWA class was just a week or so from starting when the class was cancelled. My guess is that Pilot HR at NWA is dead and all future hiring will be through Delta. Any information or educated guesses are appreciated. Thanks
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lakemead1
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I was jumpseating the other day and the FO has a friend in the pool and he was under the impression that the pool would be dissolved. Any new hiring would probably be done by Delta, and the poolies would have to apply and interview again.
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Someone on our Dalpa board stated that a friend of his (?) attended a job fair in Chicago recently, and both Delta and NWA had a booth. The Delta people said we would hire 100 or so next year, and the NWA people said 450.(remember, we have seperate certificates for atleast all of 09, so that is possible--a total of 550 that is) Why that many? Probably NOT due to all of the retirements that NALPA said would happen, but rather the manning changes we gave them when they got our contract and rules associated with it. If you got hired on the NWA side, you would probably go to a DC9 or a bus(I doubt the 747FE at ANC will be an option much longer, IMO). On the Delta side, you might go to the MD88, 738, or 767ER in JFK.(just a guess) I don't know if those numbers are accurate, but there you have it. Let's hope we do hire that many.
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I am under the impression that we don't have to man to the Delta requirements for many months. That being the case, if they need to hire, it will be for a multitude of reasons. Retirements would be one of those reasons. Pulling more 9s out of the desert may be another. Either way, that is good for our poolies. Remember, our pilots don't have to retire at 65.
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Remember, I said I had read that the guys said 450 NEXT YEAR, which could be a few here and there, until they possibly hit that number. As far as guys retiring at age 65 or earlier, NALPA gave the impression that 1000 were going to go all at once. That didn't happen. And, you also have to remember that some LARGE planes may leave the fleet (very good chance), so that might mitigate any increase due to some DC9s coming out of the desert. I too hope we do a lot of hiring regardless.
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Hmmm, that's not what Eddie boy said in MSP. He told the group there that there were going to be significantly FEWER changes in fleet makeup due to logistics.
No changes to 747-2, or SEA or ANC Fleet makeups.
So, I wouldn't call that a very good chance.
MD-90s leaving, though? Very good chance. Can't support having just 16 when there are other AC already in the fleet doing the same job.
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That's funny, that's not what B.C. said (a VP of route networks) at an incommand session just a week ago. He said "they're gone." Do you really think Eddie would just come up and say "Hi, I'm your new CEO, and here is what you are losing." As far as the MD90s go, they are debating whether or not they can get enough to support a fleet (50 or so needed), and they are still looking to see if they can do that. (Although Saudia has 28 for sale NOW) They are looking at other things right now from your friends inbetween MSP and DTW, and that does look promising, as stated by RA in a recent incommand session. We'll see, but you and I (and the arbitrators) know what will stay and what won't (like your 94 DC9s----do you really have that many?), and the confidential statements in the testimony will show the way eventually. If the 742s do stay---fantastic! Our proposal for the SLI has me in the top 10% if those FOs----I can't wait to be Sarah Palin's neighbor.(after the fence is up)
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You can see Russia from our crew room there.That's funny, that's not what B.C. said (a VP of route networks) at an incommand session just a week ago. Well, then it seems that the good'ol boys from ATL need to get their stories straight doesn't it. I expected better/clearer intel from the Holy DAL leadership. He said "they're gone." Bastian said with fuel falling they see opportunity with cargo and are re-thinking any previous plans they may have had. Do you really think Eddie would just come up and say "Hi, I'm your new CEO, and here is what you are losing."OK, soooooo.....he'll come up and lie to our faces....according to you. That's cool.....we're used to that at NWA. Nice to see that won't change under Delta leadership.As far as the MD90s go, they are debating whether or not they can get enough to support a fleet (50 or so needed), and they are still looking to see if they can do that. (Although Saudia has 28 for sale NOW) They are looking at other things right now from your friends inbetween MSP and DTW, and that does look promising, as stated by RA in a recent incommand session. We'll see, but you and I (and the arbitrators) know what will stay and what won't (like your 94 DC9s----do you really have that many?),We did on 1/1/08, we have 75 in service now, not including those in storage, fully paid for, ready in a weeks notice...with fuel prices falling ya know, like Bastian said (or was he lying about that too?)Said they will be around for at least 5 or 6 more years. and the confidential statements in the testimony will show the way eventually. If the 742s do stay---fantastic! Our proposal for the SLI has me in the top 10% if those FOs Cool....and the NWA proposal has me asking you for checklists on big airplanes...but who knows...ANC is nice
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Has it been 30 months already? I hope you guys have the opportunity to use it.
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Well, see there is this little problem of the union called IAM at NWA. It was not something that was completely looked at when DAL made all of these grand plans for post DCC.
It stipulates in their contract that ALL NWA jets will be serviced Above, Below wing along with cabin cleaning, by IAM.
Now if you run the numbers on moving the DC-9's to ATL, 330's to NYC and ATL, 744's to ATL and NYC, 320's to SLC and CVG, it would require Delta to in essence hire 1000's of new NWA employees in these hubs to service these airplanes. It cannot be done by Delta's DGS per the IAM contract. Now that is a significant cost.
With Delta having the goal of getting rid of the representation, it does not serve them well to have our employees become NWA employees represented by IAM. If we hired these people it would cause the DAL side of the operation to be grossly over staffed in ATL, NYC, CVG, and SLC. Now why would they do that? Our jets could be serviced by NWA folks because there is no union here.
There are ways around it, but it appears that DAL rather have the voting employee groups take care of this problem in the next six months than to go to the IAM and ask for a waiver. Who knows how it will turn out, but it does throw a wrench in their initial plans.
It stipulates in their contract that ALL NWA jets will be serviced Above, Below wing along with cabin cleaning, by IAM.
Now if you run the numbers on moving the DC-9's to ATL, 330's to NYC and ATL, 744's to ATL and NYC, 320's to SLC and CVG, it would require Delta to in essence hire 1000's of new NWA employees in these hubs to service these airplanes. It cannot be done by Delta's DGS per the IAM contract. Now that is a significant cost.
With Delta having the goal of getting rid of the representation, it does not serve them well to have our employees become NWA employees represented by IAM. If we hired these people it would cause the DAL side of the operation to be grossly over staffed in ATL, NYC, CVG, and SLC. Now why would they do that? Our jets could be serviced by NWA folks because there is no union here.
There are ways around it, but it appears that DAL rather have the voting employee groups take care of this problem in the next six months than to go to the IAM and ask for a waiver. Who knows how it will turn out, but it does throw a wrench in their initial plans.
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What happened with NetJets??? I had a phone interview after you and got flushed shortly their after, but I thought you were still waiting to hear.
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I am still waiting to hear, but it's been 4 months. I'm not holding my breath.
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Yeah, your NWA proposal is a lot like USAir East's. How'd that come out, anyway? Just because you ask for the moon doesn't mean you'll get it, or even "middle ground." Nope. And I used to do ANC almost exclusively in the summer nonstop from ATL. The last two years though have had a 764 on it, a non premium widebody larger than your A332.
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Probably I would guess. Until the seperate certificates are merged (SOC), everything will stay status quo.
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Do you have to put your opinion of the merger on every damn thread? We get it. You think NWA's proposal is not realistic. What you think does not matter. The only thing that matters is the arbitrators' opinions. Maybe you're right, maybe you're not, but I am tired of reading your repetitive posts over and over again. Stop hijacking threads.