NWA/DAL negotiations update

[FDJ2]

Hey, Scabboy is back. Considering 80% of your "widebody" flying is paid the same as 757, I wouldn't make fun of the word premium.

Actually, what's interesting is that DAL 757 pay is equivalent to your A330 pay. Doesn't do much for your premerger expectations or your lack of real premium flying.

 

[General Lee]

12 year s/o 102+intl ovrd = 73ng and more than md80. If we are such an albatross, then why is moak and the gang raising hell to stop this? You know why, you need us as we need you. If this was not the case then why are y'all not doing the keep delta my delta thing again? If you are so sure about deltas stand alone future then man up and block this thing. Otherwise be honest and admit that both mecs are doing there best (jtfs, veritas, media leaks, talking points etc) to represent thier pilots. You have to give both mecs credit for trying to protect the entire list, not just the sr. At some point we will have to work together.

You're right. And as Captain, I will do half of the walkarounds, and I will buy the third and fifth beers (pitchers in Fargo) on every layover!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Superpilot92]

So what all of you are saying is you really have no clue and we should all be happy that you arent in the negotiations?

 

[General Lee]

So what all of you are saying is you really have no clue and we should all be happy that you arent in the negotiations?

We aren't in negotiations, but FDJ2 is really close by.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[~~~^~~~]

You have to give both mecs credit for trying to protect the entire list, not just the sr. At some point we will have to work together.

Yes....

 

[GogglesPisano]

Considering 80% of your "widebody" flying is paid the same as 757, I wouldn't make fun of the word premium.

I've got to hand it to you. You guys certainly win in the "spin" category. Don't let any pertinent facts get in the way, like the one where DL pay is about about 10-15% higher than NWA's across the board.

 

[nwaredtail]

I've got to hand it to you. You guys certainly win in the "spin" category. Don't let any pertinent facts get in the way, like the one where DL pay is about about 10-15% higher than NWA's across the board.

Not for long.

 

[General Lee]

Not for long.

Ummmmm, oooo-kay? What?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[GogglesPisano]

He means negotiating capital is going to be expended bringing their pay up to ours.

 

[nwaredtail]

Ummmmm, oooo-kay? What?


Bye Bye---General Lee

You mean you haven't heard yet? You will soon.

 

[General Lee]

You mean you haven't heard yet? You will soon.

Are you talking about the parking of all of the DC9s? That stinks. Was that the rumor? Just waiting for it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

I am sure he is close by. As are the other spinmeisters reading from the talking points from mgmt, moak and the dalpa mec on the alpa natl board. You guys just can't stand the fact you are dealing with a large group who is not going to take your bs, unlike the smaller western and pan am groups who did not have a choice. Now, if your mgmt along with ours decides to shrink us into submission you might get away with your little grab. Otherwise, you will be reasonable and come to an agreement we can both live with.

quote=General Lee;1595178]We aren't in negotiations, but FDJ2 is really close by.


Bye Bye--General Lee[/quote]

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

And to add to my previous post can any dalpa spinmiesters please answer my question from my post 117? Here it is again:

You know why, you need us as we need you. If this was not the case then why are y'all not doing the keep delta my delta thing again? If you are so sure about deltas stand alone future then man up and block this thing.

Can you honestly answer without the dalpa, mgmt crib notes? For the life of me I can't figure out why you put so much effort into derailing the merge with lcc. You would have owned the east coast and when us or ual went tu you could have scavenged the pacific.

 

[General Lee]

And to add to my previous post can any dalpa spinmiesters please answer my question from my post 117? Here it is again:

You know why, you need us as we need you. If this was not the case then why are y'all not doing the keep delta my delta thing again? If you are so sure about deltas stand alone future then man up and block this thing.

Can you honestly answer without the dalpa, mgmt crib notes? For the life of me I can't figure out why you put so much effort into derailing the merge with lcc. You would have owned the east coast and when us or ual went tu you could have scavenged the pacific.

Really? Is it that hard for you to understand? A merge with AAA would have been terrible because of overlapping routes and hubs. Their main hubs were CLT (next to ATL), PHL (next to JFK), and PHX (near our LAX and SLC). That would have cost huge jobs. Plus, they didn't add anything to our network. You guys have hubs in the upper midwest, something we don't have. You have Asia, which is something that would take us a long time to achieve. That's about it---it fits better like a puzzle. You both have militant groups though, but we thought your group would love to get rid of Steenland and try something a bit different (yes, we know you had RA before Steenland). Most of you hate Steenland, and probably at least respect RA. But in reality, you are an older airline with mostly old planes with a great Asian presence, with a couple really inhospitable hubs that 99% of our guys would not want. Other than all of that, we really like you guys, except your really senior guys that don't know how to negotiate and are afraid to.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

So doh with base/equipment fences should be no problem. I will gladly stay in msp/dtw if my seniority is protected. PS I live in the south and would never, I repeat never move to atl and I here the commute is a bitch from where I live.

couple really inhospitable hubs that 99% of our guys would not want

 

[General Lee]

So doh with base/equipment fences should be no problem. I will gladly stay in msp/dtw if my seniority is protected. PS I live in the south and would never, I repeat never move to atl and I here the commute is a bitch from where I live.

couple really inhospitable hubs that 99% of our guys would not want

Put that in writing----no hub changes for any NWA pilot or Delta pilot (from a DL/NWA hub to the other's hub etc)---EVER. Sounds gravy. So, what happens if they open a new hub in Wichita or somewhere else? Then Relative Seniority should work, right? For a new hub---maybe a Honolulu hub or San Juan hub. There has NEVER been an ALPA merger with DOH---only relative seniority. So, you should have no problem with that, as long as we all stay in our own bases. Sounds good. Call the lawyers.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FDJ2]

So doh with base/equipment fences should be no problem.

You wont get DOH in the new Delta. Kiss that good bye. Hasn't anyone told you, DOH was removed from ALPA merger policy. Not to worry though, you'll get relative seniority by comparable categories. That will protect your interests and what you bring to the merger.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Is there ANY way I could convince all of you soon-to-be-joined-at-the-hip-for-the-rest-of-your-careers numbskulls to quit sniping at each other?

Give it a rest.
Support your MEC.
Focus on the benefits...not the piques.

The industry is at the precipice. Everything I'm hearing indicates there will be money thrown at both pilot groups to put this together, if we can do it without having a meltdown.

If you're not up for it, fine. You can be one of that 5% of each group that cause us to shake our heads in dismay, until somebody throws a telethon to raise money for their forced sterilization.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Occam,

Just bored on reserve. No open time. Having a little fun with the ptp boys and the talking points. Take care.

Is there ANY way I could convince all of you soon-to-be-joined-at-the-hip-for-the-rest-of-your-careers numbskulls to quit sniping at each other?

Give it a rest.
Support your MEC.
Focus on the benefits...not the piques.

The industry is at the precipice. Everything I'm hearing indicates there will be money thrown at both pilot groups to put this together, if we can do it without having a meltdown.

If you're not up for it, fine. You can be one of that 5% of each group that cause us to shake our heads in dismay, until somebody throws a telethon to raise money for their forced sterilization.

 

[Superpilot92]

Is there ANY way I could convince all of you soon-to-be-joined-at-the-hip-for-the-rest-of-your-careers numbskulls to quit sniping at each other?

Give it a rest.
Support your MEC.
Focus on the benefits...not the piques.

The industry is at the precipice. Everything I'm hearing indicates there will be money thrown at both pilot groups to put this together, if we can do it without having a meltdown.

If you're not up for it, fine. You can be one of that 5% of each group that cause us to shake our heads in dismay, until somebody throws a telethon to raise money for their forced sterilization.

Couldn't agree more! There is no point in fighting one another on here we are very close to being on the same team. I cant wait till its over so we can ALL move forward.