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I didn't sue anybody. My union does not speak for me.
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Downwind
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They should.
There are two entities in CMH and one wants to strip away your pay, benefits, and scope for the benefit of the Howell's. I don't agree with NJASAP on every issue and I sure didn't agree with how they treated the furloughed. You don't like the NJI integration. Get over it. I haven't found anyone I agree with 100% yet. This is a fight and neutral won't be an option soon. Our livelihoods are on the line and I would suggest joining the side that's fighting for you.
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Welcome to democracy. You have been met at the ballot box. Your views are your own and have been out voted. Long live freedom. The great thing is you have been out voted. And will continue to be out voted for the duration of your tenure at NJ. Your union does not speak for you. It does for the majority.
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Who does? The company? Good luck with that. Hey, if they do I'm sure they'd welcome you giving back some of your salary, and agreeing to use less of your medical benefits, and working more days for no additional pay. How are you enjoying coach on those international airlines of 10 hours or less?
Or do you just prefer to speak for yourself? Bad news, like it or not (obviously you don't) you now work at a union shop. The individual voice has very little power. The union derives its power from its collective. Individual voices don't usually get very far with their agendas because the company only has to recognize the collective union voice.
Given that the company wants to take from you what you have (not even maintain your status quo) there's only one voice out of the three that has any chance of defending what you already have, and possibly even bettering it.
It's simply amazing to me that you, or anyone else for that matter, dont care to have that voice speak for you.
You don't have to agree with everything the union does. I don't. But the main goal of the union is to PROTECT AND ENHANCE what you have. Why on earth don't you want it speaking for you?
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GIV. Is nothing more than a management stooge.. He may be a pilot but management is pulling the strings....
No one with even 5 years in this industry can be as oblivious to his work surroundings as GIV claims to be....
He claims to really not know what is happening or why people are upset.
He consistently claims that he is overpayed or doesn't deserve a raise---- who says that???
Claims to be afraid to speak his mind because of bullying... ..... What does he think is going to happen? Late night visits by thug pilots... News flash, pilots wouldn't know the first thing about strong arming in the real world.
Quit paying attention to this guy
No one with even 5 years in this industry can be as oblivious to his work surroundings as GIV claims to be....
He claims to really not know what is happening or why people are upset.
He consistently claims that he is overpayed or doesn't deserve a raise---- who says that???
Claims to be afraid to speak his mind because of bullying... ..... What does he think is going to happen? Late night visits by thug pilots... News flash, pilots wouldn't know the first thing about strong arming in the real world.
Quit paying attention to this guy
You are correct in every detail. By the way, I am not bitter over the integration or anything else. I just hope the union doesn't push too hard and cripple the company. And I think both sides will behave responsibly. I hope.
Another county heard from, a consistently obnxious one. I am probably in the majority at the former NJI, and am not some radical kook in the G cockpit.
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Like the 2 former NJI crews (pilots & FAs) in STL on an over night at hotel executive lounge admitting they were LUCKY the integration happened bc if it hadn't this new EMT would have sent NJI crews packing without UNION protection? Is that the majority you are talking about? Hope so. They get it. U need to catch up.
Just bc u don't want to hear or believe the truth doesn't make it less true.
The new EMT would have sent NJI crews packing? For what?
I don't mind the disagreement, but must some people be so disagreeable about it? Like my close friend Bentover?
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And this is the crux of the matter amigo. JH and his team have been acting IRRESPONSIBLY for the better part of the past two years. And they are getting WORSE.
Until you recognize this as fact, we're all spinning our wheels in this conversation.
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funny you seem to keep paying attention to him.
Then I trust you will accept no financial or quality of life gains that may be achieved in this negotiating cycle?
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I didn't sue anybody. My union does not speak for me.
Oh my reluctant brother you are wearing me out!!!!
Fine G4, all you have to do is become a "dues payer" and you won't have to be a part of the union.
Say, how many dues payers are at NJI anyway?
Lord have mercy G4, you profess your union doesn't speak for you then you post this in the Flexjet thread?
G4 posted;
"The IBT worked out badly for NJA. Same will happen at FLEX/FO, in my opinion. If you want a union, go in house".
Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! Have a great Christmas man! I have got to meet you on the road man!!!!!! Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!
Ohhhhh man!!!!!!
Oh my reluctant brother you are wearing me out!!!!
Fine G4, all you have to do is become a "dues payer" and you won't have to be a part of the union.
Say, how many dues payers are at NJI anyway?
Lord have mercy G4, you profess your union doesn't speak for you then you post this in the Flexjet thread?
G4 posted;
"The IBT worked out badly for NJA. Same will happen at FLEX/FO, in my opinion. If you want a union, go in house".
Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! Have a great Christmas man! I have got to meet you on the road man!!!!!! Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!
Ohhhhh man!!!!!!
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ghostrider64
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Are you that naive? For much less expensive help...duh.
Somewhere along the way you missed the announcement...RTS is no longer protecting you.
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Well Said
I don't think that was gonna happen.
I joined the union, I pay my dues. I was just saying they don't always represent MY views. That's all. I am not bitter, just aware I am paying dues to a group with which I won't always agree. No big deal.
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For anything...possibly get rid of higher compensated employees as a COST SAVINGS INITIATIVE instead of furloughs based on seniority. The EMT would have been free to furlough or out right dismiss AT WILL employees such as former NJI crews before the integration. But due to the Union and CBA, former NJI crews got same protection as original NJA members. As it should be.
Again, hopefully the majority of former NJI crews understand this like the crews I met in STL. Hopefully you will catch up.
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It could have but, as the other crews realize and still waiting on you to wake up to the fact, THANKFULLY we will never know what the EMT would have done and that is only bc of YOUR UNION and the protections YOUR NJASAP brothers and sisters secured even for YOU.
Again, those crews said it. And I'm glad to have them amongst our ranks.
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"Don't think" all you want...one only need to line up the obvious dominoes to see that's exactly the way it's going now...just ask those on furlough about to be terminated enmass, and the recent posting of pilot vacancies at Netjets...
But you're a special class, that the company always relies on, I doubt the "singular you" was in jeopardy.
Of course now that you're Union, you ALL are protected...dues money at work, despite your disdain for us...
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Is nobody capable of having a decent conversation? I don't have disdain for anybody. I just don't agree with the union sometimes, and I am in the majority at the former NJI. No big deal, just good conversation, and I can always learn some things.
pilotyip
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Remember unions represent the views of 50%+1.
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I would say unions represent <50% + 1 because many people will not take part and make their voice be heard. I get it that there are strong personalities in the union world. Those are the people that the contracts favor. If you are unwilling to yell up close don't expect anybody to feel sorry for you when you are whispering from a distance.
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As I have stated and proven before, you have not empirical evidence to support that statement. Last time I challenged you on it you ignored it. So again, prove that statement with data and facts.
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Lets see at union wants to come in and wants to organize my place of work. 49% of the pilots vote against the union because of bad experiences they have had before at union places, 51% vote for the union. Who wins?, the 51% get to impose their will upon the 49%.
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Really? What happened to the rest of the nonunion employees after Santulli was removed?
For someone who doesn't agree with the Union sometimes, you sure do make it a full-time occupation to bash it publicly.
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