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G4dude said:
Not a lack of a backbone, just a difference of opinion. I have had 11 flight departments close their doors, and I am acutely aware that companies don't inevitably continue forever. We don't operate in a vacuum. We compete against private flight departments, Flex/Flops, charter companies like Clay Lacy, potential fractional startups, XO Jet, and airlines' first class cabins. And we better make money, or the stockholders will take their investment dollars and go somewhere else. Uncle Warren dumping us would not be a good thing, I suspect.
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G4dude said:
Ferrari is a small company. almost a boutique business, catering to a very small market. We don't want that for NJA, surely. Most of us would be unemployed.
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G4dude said:
I believe if we get a significant raise, we will shrink 30 percent at least, especially with Obamacare's inflation of labor costs. Doesn't mean I am stupid or craven, just my opinion as someone with a certain level of knowledge of business and economics. I hope I am wrong.
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You have to stop posting this stuff, this is FI. Reality has no place on this site. You have to post that unions can do no wrong and management can do no right in order to be a real FI member.
 
I choose to hold myself to a higher standard. If the company goes under because they can't afford my services, so be it. When Netjets didn't pay me what I expected for my services, I shopped my resume around. My new job seemed to agree with me. I was grossly underpaid. I now fly with Captains every day that exceed 300k a year. First officers pay blows away Netjets. G4 and Yip, you spew your weak ass crap in the fractional forum day in and day out. Twenty three jobs? Really? Your career is a prime example of a bottom feeder. I say again, grow a backbone. Then again, you are probably worth the pay and conditions you are are currently working for. Keep your head in the sand and don't rock the boat. This is the best job you will ever get.
 
G4dude said:
Ferrari is a small company. almost a boutique business, catering to a very small market. We don't want that for NJA, surely. Most of us would be unemployed.
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Respectfully, what in the hell do you think Netjets is?
 
T-1GUY said:
I choose to hold myself to a higher standard. If the company goes under because they can't afford my services, so be it. When Netjets didn't pay me what I expected for my services, I shopped my resume around. My new job seemed to agree with me. I was grossly underpaid. I now fly with Captains every day that exceed 300k a year. First officers pay blows away Netjets. G4 and Yip, you spew your weak ass crap in the fractional forum day in and day out. Twenty three jobs? Really? Your career is a prime example of a bottom feeder. I say again, grow a backbone. Then again, you are probably worth the pay and conditions you are are currently working for. Keep your head in the sand and don't rock the boat. This is the best job you will ever get.
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I just love the personal insults just because I don't agree with you. Congrats on your new job.
 
T-1GUY said:
I choose to hold myself to a higher standard. If the company goes under because they can't afford my services, so be it. When Netjets didn't pay me what I expected for my services, I shopped my resume around. My new job seemed to agree with me. I was grossly underpaid. I now fly with Captains every day that exceed 300k a year. First officers pay blows away Netjets. G4 and Yip, you spew your weak ass crap in the fractional forum day in and day out. Twenty three jobs? Really? Your career is a prime example of a bottom feeder. I say again, grow a backbone. Then again, you are probably worth the pay and conditions you are are currently working for. Keep your head in the sand and don't rock the boat. This is the best job you will ever get.
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You actually did what I advocate. You voted in the marketplace by leaving NJA for a better paying job, rather than trying to shut NJA down. Kudos.
 
T-1GUY said:
Yip, you spew your weak ass crap in the fractional forum day in and day out.
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Hey I started this thread, it gives me a right to post. Got lots of friends at NJ, I helped many of them get there. Turned down NJ because I could not take the pay cut. I am happy, I see many here who appear not to be. That is too bad, live is too short to be unhappy.

G4dude said:
You actually did what I advocate. You voted in the marketplace by leaving NJA for a better paying job, rather than trying to shut NJA down. Kudos.
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Good advice this guys get it.
 
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G4dude said:
A very large aircraft operator employing LOTS of pilots. And I want them to keep their jobs.
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That is a bit short sighted.

Pilot salaries will have little to no bearing on NJA's long term survival. I would be interested to know how many flights are coded yellow or red as opposed to 2008. That's where NJA's success or demise hinges. It is also largely in the hands of a pilot group who have earned a better compensation package and better adherence to the agreement once signed.
 
OPECJet said:
That is a bit short sighted.

Pilot salaries will have little to no bearing on NJA's long term survival. I would be interested to know how many flights are coded yellow or red as opposed to 2008. That's where NJA's success or demise hinges. It is also largely in the hands of a pilot group who have earned a better compensation package and better adherence to the agreement once signed.
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Heck, I would love a big raise. As long as it doesn't cost us our jobs. Question: if we NJA pilots are paid more than our competitors, and our planes and fuel and maintenance cost the same, how will we compete with FlexJet and XO, etc?
 
G4dude said:
Heck, I would love a big raise. As long as it doesn't cost us our jobs. Question: if we NJA pilots are paid more than our competitors, and our planes and fuel and maintenance cost the same, how will we compete with FlexJet and XO, etc?
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You're already paid more than your competitors. NJA is 30% more expensive than our competitors. NJA is raking in money. They make that money off of your superior, quality service. You deserve to be compensated well for this service and in line with your peer group. Here I believe your definition of your peer group needs to be broadened.

Before the furlough I was in the X. That would put my perceived peer group as a 3rd year 737 FO. I fly similar trips to that pilot group and I expect to be compensated accordingly, especially since my core job functions occur after the passengers have left whereas the 73 guy is taking a dump and grabbing lunch after they're gone.

The company has already stated through BH issued press releases that they can afford it, all the while asking me to work for sub-regional work rules.

No thanks, and you're selling yourself VERY short if you buy in to what they're selling.
 
OPECJet said:
You're already paid more than your competitors. NJA is 30% more expensive than our competitors. NJA is raking in money. They make that money off of your superior, quality service. You deserve to be compensated well for this service and in line with your peer group. Here I believe your definition of your peer group needs to be broadened.

Before the furlough I was in the X. That would put my perceived peer group as a 3rd year 737 FO. I fly similar trips to that pilot group and I expect to be compensated accordingly, especially since my core job functions occur after the passengers have left whereas the 73 guy is taking a dump and grabbing lunch after they're gone.

The company has already stated through BH issued press releases that they can afford it, all the while asking me to work for sub-regional work rules.

No thanks, and you're selling yourself VERY short if you buy in to what they're selling.
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You might be right. Maybe NJA can continue to prosper and pay us more. I'm just worried.
 
G4dude said:
Heck, I would love a big raise. As long as it doesn't cost us our jobs. Question: if we NJA pilots are paid more than our competitors, and our planes and fuel and maintenance cost the same, how will we compete with FlexJet and XO, etc?
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Why would the owners have to a nickel more? SWA pays their crews almost $100k a year more than NJA. If an airline posts a profit of $25 million in a year, it was considered a success.

Did you not read how much money NJA made in '12 and '13?

It was a success.

The owners won't have to notice a single difference except the bigger smiles on the crews faces.
 
fischman said:
Why would the owners have to a nickel more? SWA pays their crews almost $100k a year more than NJA. If an airline posts a profit of $25 million in a year, it was considered a success.

Did you not read how much money NJA made in '12 and '13?

It was a success.

The owners won't have to notice a single difference except the bigger smiles on the crews faces.
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And yet they won't pay. What now?
 

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