NJ Recalls

[fischman]

Great question. I think any raise more than 10 percent would be too much for captains like me. Here is what I think pay ought to be: Captains are paid adequately now, but we obviously need COLAs. FOs need 10 percent more with COLAs.

I agree. I think 10% WOULD be too much for a Captain like you.

I, on the other hand, am worth no less than $250,000 a year. Just because you don't know what you're worth, don't mess it up for the rest of us.

 

[G4dude]

I agree. I think 10% WOULD be too much for a Captain like you.

I, on the other hand, am worth no less than $250,000 a year. Just because you don't know what you're worth, don't mess it up for the rest of us.

Um, you are familiar with the concept of discussion without insults? Also, I don't know what I am worth because I don't agree with you? You seem to be a little narcissisic, maybe.

 

[fischman]

I'm not sure how I insulted you? I agreed with you!

If anything, you insulted me with saying a 10% raise would be too much.

In not narcissistic. I'm awesome. Haven't you heard?

 

[pilotyip]

Um, you are familiar with the concept of discussion without insults? Also, I don't know what I am worth because I don't agree with you? You seem to be a little narcissisic, maybe.

Now Stop That!! This is FI, insults are the mark of a true professional in this business. Just look at all the professionals posting on this site.

 

[Some guy]

I would agree that 98% of you are worth every dollar and then some. I keep seeing the SWA argument as a comparison. Why not go work for them if they're making tens of thousands more? Their job is easier in many aspects and duty times are probably more stable.

SG

 

[SDCFI]

I would agree that 98% of you are worth every dollar and then some. I keep seeing the SWA argument as a comparison. Why not go work for them if they're making tens of thousands more? Their job is easier in many aspects and duty times are probably more stable.

SG

Man, I can just up and go work for SWA? You should've told me this sooner! All these years I've wasted filling out and updating their application.

In the meantime why don't we make our current jobs better instead of settling for less because someone out there has it worse off than us.

 

[acaTerry]

I would agree that 98% of you are worth every dollar and then some. I keep seeing the SWA argument as a comparison. Why not go work for them if they're making tens of thousands more? Their job is easier in many aspects and duty times are probably more stable.

SG

If everybody just quit every time things got tough, eventually there would be NOWHERE good to go. Sometimes you just have to fight.

 

[realityman]

If everybody just quit every time things got tough, eventually there would be NOWHERE good to go. Sometimes you just have to fight.

Bingo!

I wonder what the majors would be like if the pilots of the past had just "quit to find greener pastures"? How many greener pastures would there be?

 

[Turbo TA]

Great question. I think any raise more than 10 percent would be too much for captains like me. Here is what I think pay ought to be: Captains are paid adequately now, but we obviously need COLAs. FOs need 10 percent more with COLAs.

Really?

 

[Some guy]

Man, I can just up and go work for SWA? You should've told me this sooner! All these years I've wasted filling out and updating their application.

In the meantime why don't we make our current jobs better instead of settling for less because someone out there has it worse off than us.

The point was you would if you could. People make comparisons to something that likely isn't attainable in many cases. One of the bigger issues I'm seeing discussed here is salary. Demand salary based on what you do and why, not based on what someone else makes in a different environment. Anyone who says those SWA guy and gals put in the same workload as a fractional pilot has lost their mind. You deserve more because you're earning more and work harder. i truly hope your group can make things better.

SG

 

[big shacks]

Question for NJ guys. I'm currently a regional CA /commuter/ line holder. Don't see career progression with current employer. Looking for stability and more time with family, even if it means 7 on 7 off. That's better than 5 on 2 off currently. I would appreciate any feedback

 

[Some guy]

Read through all the threads. These guys hate their jobs, are underpaid, treated poorly by the company, and are facing the reduction of medical benefits to the same level as what everyone else in the country has. Oh, and occasionally some will complain about the color of their ties or something.

SG

 

[Some guy]

Question for NJ guys. I'm currently a regional CA /commuter/ line holder. Don't see career progression with current employer. Looking for stability and more time with family, even if it means 7 on 7 off. That's better than 5 on 2 off currently. I would appreciate any feedback

On second thought, go work for SWA. I hear they pay well and you wouldn't have to settle for such a low quality job.

SG

 

[pilotyip]

Read through all the threads. These guys hate their jobs, are underpaid, treated poorly by the company, and are facing the reduction of medical benefits to the same level as what everyone else in the country has. Oh, and occasionally some will complain about the color of their ties or something.

SG

but, but, but, they are true professionals and should be recognized as how much better they are than the rest of the pilot population.

 

[Willy21]

Yip, why don't you tell me more about how your above comment fosters civil discussions on this board? You complain about the name calling and childish comments and yet you pile on. I guess it is only civil when the post agrees with your opinion?

 

[pilotyip]

Yip, why don't you tell me more about how your above comment fosters civil discussions on this board? You complain about the name calling and childish comments and yet you pile on. I guess it is only civil when the post agrees with your opinion?

Egads!, caught in the act of being myself. Just trying to keep the thread alive, trying to get my thread to surpass the "1260 days to go" thread.

But along those lines, why is it that I cannot be considered a professional in my role of mentoring young pilots starting out in their careers? Giving them the skills and training that allow them to move to the next level, like the 26 pilots that I have, recruited, recommended for hire and trained who over the years that have moved onto NJ. But if you are NJ pilot attacking anyone who does not agree with the 100% pro-union stance, that is well, the definition of a true professional?

 

[Willy21]

Egads!, caught in the act of being myself. Just trying to keep the thread alive, trying to get my thread to surpass the "1260 days to go" thread.

I'm glad I could add to that count.

But along those lines, why is it that I cannot be considered a professional in my role of mentoring young pilots starting out in their careers?

I have never said you weren't a professional. You are right, we need sage advice for the younger generation of pilots. We become the pilots that trained us.

Giving them the skills and training that allow them to move to the next level, like the 26 pilots that I have, recruited, recommended for hire and trained who over the years that have moved onto NJ.

You take pride in that and I think people should be proud of their work. Why do you bash the NetJets pilot group and then take pride in sending quality pilots to that same group?

But if you are NJ pilot attacking anyone who does not agree with the 100% pro-union stance, that is well, the definition of a true professional?

The NetJets pilots are asking for what they think they are worth. They take pride in the work they put in each tour just as you take pride in mentoring young pilots and sending them off into the better flying jobs. How does that make them any less of a professional than you think you are? "Pro-Union" might just be more like "united in understanding your true worth." In this case I would find it safe to say until you have been a NetJets pilot in these current times it's hard to understand the challenges and frustrations they face and overcome daily.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Word.

 

[shanes123]

Yip is a legend in his own mind. And a delusional one at that.

 

[G4dude]

NJA is the BEST job I ever had. Just not perfect. I don't see what's so hard about it.

 

[T-1GUY]

Somehow that doesn't surprise me one bit.

 

[OPECJet]

Question for NJ guys. I'm currently a regional CA /commuter/ line holder. Don't see career progression with current employer. Looking for stability and more time with family, even if it means 7 on 7 off. That's better than 5 on 2 off currently. I would appreciate any feedback

You will have schedule stability but likely little to no career stability. I do not believe based on their actions that current management foresees NJA as a going concern. You will be a probationary pilot in what has become the most toxic labor/mgmt relationship I've ever seen.

 

[Sky Captain]

NJA is the BEST job I ever had. Just not perfect. I don't see what's so hard about it.

Then why did you sue your company?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...s-sued-by-pilots-claiming-privacy-breach.html

 

[Hawkered]

It won't go far. People left theit passwords on company devices and turned them back into the company for IT problems!!

Please stop doing that!!

 

[acaTerry]

That's no excuse. If someone leaves their wallet on the counter does it justify me taking their credit cards?

 

[jonjuan]

That's no excuse. If someone leaves their wallet on the counter does it justify me taking their credit cards?

What if the wallet is owned by the company?

 

[pilotyip]

Yip is a legend in his own mind. And a delusional one at that.

delusional? isn't that what FI is all about, that pilots are the center of universe?:laugh:

 

[Hawkered]

What if the wallet is owned by the company?

It's an interesting case, but unfortunately, I see the company winning this one. The device is company owned, many use it on company provided time and WiFi.

There's a burden of responsibility for each employee's actions to be monitored in the workplace, (think breaches of confidentiality regarding owner movements, trading in ellicit materials or Post 9/11 security concerns). It would also seem pretty obvious that they can watch us "while we work" on these devices at the server.

I don't think we can stop them doing it. We just need to stop using company devices to go on websites such as these, or for any personal use.

Seems obvious, I know!

 

[acaTerry]

It's an interesting case, but unfortunately, I see the company winning this one. The device is company owned, many use it on company provided time and WiFi.

There's a burden of responsibility for each employee's actions to be monitored in the workplace, (think breaches of confidentiality regarding owner movements, trading in ellicit materials or Post 9/11 security concerns). It would also seem pretty obvious that they can watch us "while we work" on these devices at the server.

I don't think we can stop them doing it. We just need to stop using company devices to go on websites such as these, or for any personal use.

Seems obvious, I know!

After reading this, I agree. If it was in fact done on company devices, they set themselves up. One has to be smarter than that.

 

[Hawkered]

After reading this, I agree. If it was in fact done on company devices, they set themselves up. One has to be smarter than that.

I've seen people posting on the message board on company i-Pad while in recurrent!