New Emirates order....

[flyboyike]

Give it a rest, you guys. EK is going to do what EK is going to do and DL is going to do what DL is going to do regardless of the amount of foam forming on your mouths. You're embarrassing yourselves.

 

[sniper]

sugarsugar....





you can have your own Camel now
It will be your bonus for 2013



thats the latest hot rumor

 

[sniper]

Varmint


A camel for you as well for 2013... profit sharing


No kid/pilot will be left behind says your management

 

[sniper]

another camel for Fareview please



no pilot/kid will be left behind


management

 

[General Lee]

Give it a rest, you guys. EK is going to do what EK is going to do and DL is going to do what DL is going to do regardless of the amount of foam forming on your mouths. You're embarrassing yourselves.

Do you have an app in with EK Ike? This is an opinion board and everyone is allowed to participate.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Varmint]

Really? You are comparing rape victims being jailed to kids who bring fake guns to school and getting expelled? Really? The heat over there is melting your brain. Wow. The kids actually did something wrong if it looked like a weapon.


Bye Bye---General Lee

No. I am mentioning legal travesties since you decided you needed to bring up the rape victim case in Dubai...again and again and again.....which we all agree is utterly stupid and backwards.

BUT

So is prosecuting (not just suspending or expelling) some 7 year old kid who snuck a toy nerf gun to school. He will now have a criminal record and a tag on his name in NCIC....not to mention the info the NSA will probably gather on him and his family.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/02/04...ng-nerf-style-toy-gun-to-hammonton-nj-school/

Notice the absence of juvenile insults and inflections towards you in my post. I am beginning to think Freebrd is right about you.

 

[flyboyike]

Do you have an app in with EK Ike? This is an opinion board and everyone is allowed to participate.

At this point I got an app with about everyone who's not an RJ operator, so yes, I do.

Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but I still think there is a difference between "participating" and slinging feces, especially when y'all are supposed to major airline pilots, the very light of the vocation, a shining example for young and old.

 

[Dornier 335]

FI article

Terminal velocity

As the Gulf carriers expand their fleets, so too their home airports are investing in infrastructure to meet passenger growth

Welcome to Abu Dhabi?s best-kept secret,? says Tony Douglas of the giant Midfield Terminal emerging from a man-made canyon in the sand, several storeys deep. The chief executive of Abu Dhabi Airports (ADAC) admits the traditionally self-effacing emirate has kept a low profile on the 700,000m2 structure, which from 2017 will be the new hub of flag-carrier Etihad, with an initial capacity of 30 million passengers a year. This has been harder to do, however, as the development begins to loom above ground level and into view from the main highway into the city.

The emirate?s 1970s-era international airport, with its two modest terminal buildings, has struggled to keep pace with the growth of Etihad and slot demand from other airlines. The airport catered for a record 14.7 million passengers in 2012, and ADAC expects numbers to be nudging 20 million by the time the Midfield Terminal opens. Douglas is confident the new building, which will have 65 gates (including eight for the Airbus A380), and is located between the airport?s two runways, will give the carrier the room it needs to beyond 2030.

Although plans for the new terminal have been public almost since Etihad?s founding in 2003, the Abu Dhabi government has kept publicity to a minimum. ?Once the structure becomes visible in November, watching it grow will become a spectator sport,? says Douglas.

By early 2015, you?ll be looking at it from the highway and saying 'wow'.? Etihad?s move to the Midfield Terminal will give ADAC the capacity to market the United Arab Emirates' capital to international carriers ? something Etihad?s demands for space have made it hard to do, he adds.

Dubai World Central was hailed as the world?s biggest airport project, with six runways and a capacity of 160 million passengers. But development of Dubai?s mega hub ? situated one hour's drive from Abu Dhabi International ? is largely on hold. The city is instead focusing on boosting capacity at its existing international airport, to cope with the growth of Emirates and demand from foreign airlines.

Dubai World Central should have been on its way to becoming the world?s biggest airport this decade, had the city state?s financial crisis in 2009 not stymied Dubai?s infrastructure ambitions. The blueprint for the project ? in the desert near the port of Jebel Ali ? includes hundreds of square kilometres of aviation-related industrial, commercial and residential developments, with the airport at the centre.

REACHING LIMIT

However, Paul Griffiths, chief executive of Dubai Airports, expects the new gateway ? also known as Al Maktoum International ? to ?play the dominant role? after 2020, by which time Dubai International will have reached its limit of almost 100,000 passengers a year.

Emirates is understood to be planning to move its operations to DWC long-term, although Dubai International is likely to remain its home until well into the 2020s.

At the moment the new airport is playing a secondary role, catering mostly for freight operations. Opened in 2010, DWC is used by 34 cargo airlines. The first scheduled carrier at DWC, Hungary?s budget airline Wizz Air, began passenger service in October. ?We expect [other low cost carriers] to follow,? says Griffiths.

The just-opened passenger terminal at DWC has capacity for 7 million passengers, although only a fraction of that number will use it next year. Plans for ?phase two? of the development are ?in discussion?, according to Dubai Airports.

Dubai Airports is also persuading business jet operators to move from Dubai International to DWC, because slot constraints are causing delays for their high-end passengers. Jet Aviation has established the airport?s first fixed-base operation.
Dubai Airports is also talking to some of the mainly low-cost carriers that use the no-frills terminal 2 at Dubai International about moving to the new airport. However, Flydubai ? terminal 2?s biggest operator ? has no immediate plans to relocate. In addition, some flights will relocate temporarily to DWC during a runway resurfacing programme at Dubai International next year.

Dubai International is still expanding. Dubai Airports is building a fourth concourse ? to provide more gates for overseas carriers ? while a third runway was ?considered but ruled out?. The airport is near the old commercial centre of the city, and a new runway would only have been possible by demolishing large amounts of property surrounding the airport, says Griffiths.

Griffiths expects Dubai International, which will handle about 66 million passengers this year, to overtake London Heathrow as the largest airport in terms of international traffic by 2015. He says the hub could cope with ?upper 90s? if Emirates continues to invest in Airbus A380s ? but that, with two runways, would be its limit.
Elsewhere in the Gulf, in Doha, Qatar Airways is poised to jump across to its all-new hub, Hamad International airport (HIA) in early 2014. The development, largely built on reclaimed land next to the existing airport, has been mired in contractual disputes and had been due to open at the end of last year. However, with two runways, 41 contact gates ? several of which will offer dual-deck air bridges for A380s ? and an initial capacity of 28 million, Hamad International will give Qatar ? at least for a few years ? the region?s most modern airport.

 

[Dornier 335]

part 2

GROWTH RATES

With such high growth rates and the delay in moving over to the new hub, Qatar Airways is rapidly outgrowing the current Doha airport, which only has remote stands. ?Next year, the current airport would be handling nearly 28 million passengers,? Qatar Airways chief executive Akbar Al Baker told our sister magazine Airline Business recently. ?This is why we?ve already started working on the final phase [at HIA], which will increase capacity to 48-50 million passengers, and should be ready in 2016.?

Further up the coast in Oman, work is well advanced to transform Muscat International airport, with the addition of a second runway and a completely new terminal complex. Bahrain is adopting a three-phase development, which includes the modernising of Gulf Air?s existing hub at Manama ahead of a long-term construction of an all-new airport.
The Omani government describes the construction of the new Muscat International airport as the ?largest infrastructure project undertaken in [its] history?. The development, on land adjacent to the existing Seeb airport, will have an initial capacity of 12 million passengers, rising in phases to 48 million. The current facility handled 7.5 million passengers last year ? an increase of 17% on the previous year.

As part of the new airport?s construction, the existing runway will be extended to 4,000m (13,100ft), and a second runway of similar length is due to open in 2014. The airport, which is designed to accommodate Airbus A380-sized Code F aircraft, is due to open within five years.

POLITICAL PROBLEMS

Bahrain airport is confident that the worst is behind it, following the collapse of one local carrier and the downsizing of its hub operator Gulf Air, and is close to launching a $1 billion investment programme to boost the airport?s capacity.

In the wake of the political upheaval in early 2011 Bahrain?s traffic had declined, but rebounded in 2012 to 8.5 million passengers. The recent airline developments will see 2013 traffic fall to 7.5-8 million.

The kingdom?s political problems ?have subdued to a large extent... life is back to normal in Bahrain?, says Bahrain Airport Company chief executive Mohamed Yousif Al-Binfalah.

There is a short, medium and long-term development plan for Bahrain?s airport infrastructure, starting with an $80 million upgrade over the next 2-3 years to the existing facilities. ?In the next five years, the government plans to invest $1 billion to increase the capacity of the terminal to 13.5 million passengers,? Al-Binfalah says.

A long-term plan is to build a completely new airport, but construction is at least 15-20 years away, says Al-Binfalah: ?The initial steps have been to identify two potential locations, both of which would be on reclaimed land.?

 

[fastback]

Nah, Delta wants control of the revenue. Your planes have so much debt attached to them (100 A380s cost what again?) and so many employees per plane, that it wouldn't make financial sense. Have you seen the latest DL feed contracts on Delta Connection? Delta wants the revenue for themselves, and it's doubtful they need your feed.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Yeah, that whole economies of scale concept is such a drag, huh?

 

[General Lee]

Yeah, that whole economies of scale concept is such a drag, huh?

No, it's called keeping revenue for themselves, and limiting extra supply, to keep fares higher. Consolidation helps with that. Have you also noticed the lack of gate space at most European and American airports? The US/AA merger is causing a scramble for "real estate" at Major US Airports. Nobody wants to give a gate away. But, I'm sure the Gulf Carriers can expand a lot into the deepest parts of Africa. I think EK hasn't added Yaounde, Cameroon yet. Go for it Fairview! Then, add a Douala hub! Instant growth for you guys. Enjoy that!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[atpcliff]

Emirates committed to 200 new aircraft, Qatar, 100, and Etihad 50....EK also had 50 options.

Who is going to fly all of these planes, combined with MASSIVE current orders in Asia, and the orders elsewhere???

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Who is going to fly all of these planes, combined with MASSIVE current orders in Asia, and the orders elsewhere???

The ones that are offered the money...! Simple as that..! I'm getting bombarded by "updates" in T&C'S on a weekly basis it seems. The expat pilot's market will get very interesting in the next 5 years...!

 

[atpcliff]

If you talk to a lot of guys on these boards, you aren't getting those adverts, because there is a massive surplus of pilots and no jobs anywhere....plus China will provide all of it's own pilots in the very near future...and will provide thousands of pilots to the US when the US airlines sell out to the Chinese...

 

[fareview]

Not going anywhere...the last few years have been a hell of a ride...looks like its going to continue.

Also being bombarded with 777 LHS job vacancies through the agencies.

Good news all round.

fv

 

[jonjuan]

Emirates committed to 200 new aircraft, Qatar, 100, and Etihad 50....EK also had 50 options.

Who is going to fly all of these planes, combined with MASSIVE current orders in Asia, and the orders elsewhere???

And where will all of the limited gate space come from, especially in the US?

 

[sniper]

And where will all of the limited gate space come from, especially in the US?

RJ kind of operation out of Dubai to India, Pakisistan and China

They should consider the Fixed Gear option since they will fly those on short segments like the Japanese did with the 747s

Lock the Gears and fly one hour segments.


ps

FT3

 

[General Lee]

And where will all of the limited gate space come from, especially in the US?

You must fly between small, rural airports.... But, there is plenty of room for new A380s within Africa. I think an hourly shuttle between Douala and Abidjan would be perfect.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Flyer1015]

Not all these aircraft are net growth. I know it sounds crazy, but Emirates is actually retiring 777-200s and I believe the -300s. The -200ER/LRs and 300-ERs are staying long term. On the Airbus side, it sounds like they are retiring all their A340s, both -300s and -500s. Just something to keep in mind because these new planes will not be all net growth.

 

[overseas boy]

You must fly between small, rural airports.... But, there is plenty of room for new A380s within Africa. I think an hourly shuttle between Douala and Abidjan would be perfect.


Bye Bye---General Lee

I know you may like to think you're the centre of the planet but the USA accounts for less than 5% of the world's population. EK has plenty of places to go you sad narcissist.

 

[johnsonrod]

When will EK switch over to the new, bigger Dubai airport to accommodate a lot of these new aircraft? I've heard capacity is real tight at the existing Dubai airport.

 

[sniper]

I know you may like to think you're the centre of the planet but the USA accounts for less than 5% of the world's population. EK has plenty of places to go you sad narcissist.

And 38 percent of the market place in aviation d---- a----

but again koolaide and camels


FT3

 

[General Lee]

I know you may like to think you're the centre of the planet but the USA accounts for less than 5% of the world's population. EK has plenty of places to go you sad narcissist.

Wow, struck a nerve... Anyway, you are correct. Even though the US has more traveling passengers than most countries (maybe not China), it is highly desirable to attain slots and gates, and US airlines are very protective. Same with LHR and other busy European airports.

Watching the new aircraft orders coming out of the Gulf is impressive. But, 5 or 6 airlines all around a 200 mile radius with big massive hubs?? (Dubai, Doha, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Muscat, Kuwait, Sharjah, etc). How can they all coexist? A fare war to attract the same people connecting would be troublesome. They are all going after the same East to West and vice versa traffic, because other than laborers and some very rich people, not many want to go to a very hot place like the Gulf. Arizona heat plus Florida humidity. No thanks! I predict tough times eventually.

I think you guys should build new hubs in the darkest part of Africa. How about Yauonde, Cameroon? Now there is a place you can throw 30 A380s and hit all of the other big African cities. I bet there will be NO problem attaining gates or slots there....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

When will EK switch over to the new, bigger Dubai airport to accommodate a lot of these new aircraft? I've heard capacity is real tight at the existing Dubai airport.

Rod,

I predict Bamako, Mali or Yaounde, Cameroon as their next big hub. Even though ATC probably is weak or non existant, 30 daily A380 flights should be no problem. Space them out one every 45 mins.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Damascus, Tripoli and even Cairo recently were considered "safe" cities.....

Wait til the extremists start pushing their weight around Dubai.....the western traveler will drop those airlines quick!

 

[bizicmo]

I know you may like to think you're the centre of the planet but the USA accounts for less than 5% of the world's population. EK has plenty of places to go you sad narcissist.

I don't understand, who cares what percentage the US is to the world population? How about a comparison of people who can actually afford tickets? 20% of the population in east Europe and Central Asia live on less then $2 a day, 50% of sub Sahara Africa lives on less then $1 a day, 25% of North Africa/middle east live on less then $2 a day, 85% of south east Asia lives on less then $2 a day and 50% of east Asia/pacific lives on less then $2 a day. The homeless guy on the corner of I45 and FM1960 here in Houston has a better chance of getting a ticket then these people in the other regions.

 

[likeitis]

I don't understand, who cares what percentage the US is to the world population? How about a comparison of people who can actually afford tickets? 20% of the population in east Europe and Central Asia live on less then $2 a day, 50% of sub Sahara Africa lives on less then $1 a day, 25% of North Africa/middle east live on less then $2 a day, 85% of south east Asia lives on less then $2 a day and 50% of east Asia/pacific lives on less then $2 a day. The homeless guy on the corner of I45 and FM1960 here in Houston has a better chance of getting a ticket then these people in the other regions.

See this where numbers seem to get the best of Americans. These areas you pointed out are home to around 4 billion people. Even if only 20%(it's higher than that) can afford to fly once/year, that's still 800,000,000 people. 267% the size of the US. All within 6-7 hours flight of DXB and DXB just happens to be situated in the most advantageous location. The US carriers can't compete not because of product, labor rules or pricing, it's location, location, location...... You can't convince people to buy another widget when they already have one. Especially when the quality of your widget is subpar. Many of these areas are of course poor but fly on BA, KLM, Lufthansa, EK, etc. through Africa and you will be amazed at how full first and business class is. The top duty free destination worldwide on all airlines that fly there is Lagos. Go figure.

 

[Green]

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/12/business/looking-for-an-emerging-market-airline-routes/index.html

 

[8sugarsugar]

look at it this way, 2.5 aircraft needed per each ULR destination in America. 8 more US destinations, that's 20 777X's needs just for one daily flight. You do 3 daily, that is 60 777X's needed. It adds up quick.

 

[8sugarsugar]

Rod,

I predict Bamako, Mali or Yaounde, Cameroon as their next big hub. Even though ATC probably is weak or non existant, 30 daily A380 flights should be no problem. Space them out one every 45 mins.


Bye Bye---General Lee

once again, sarcasm if the lowest form of intelligence.