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I find it disheartening that so many are consumed by negativity, even while working for the best company in the industry IMO. ...
I sincerely hope that the majority of NJ pilots have the right attitude and mirror what I see coming from Captain Dad. In my interaction with NJ pilots, most are upbeat and appreciative for how things are going at NJA. They are thankful for the Union leadership, who I assure you, are positive, visionary leaders.

Ultra Grump, I understand your skepticism to an extent, but it is bordering on cynicism. He tries hard to live up to his name, doesn't he? ;) ... these other less tangible things ... will also open up more doors and opportunities for all which in my opinion is ALWAYS a good thing. Well said, 'Auburn!

The union/non union debate is as old as time. Personally, from a pilot's perspective, I am tired of being in the non-union shop situation that you describe. You are right, it's do what you're told or else. You have to fight for everything all the time. It is too hard on a family, and too hard on the individual who has laid out so much personal sacrifice and financial risk. Only pilots that have spent the money and time and made the sacrifice (and of course their spouses and families) will understand what I am talking about. I do, and I think you will be a good match for the NJ Pilots' Union as well as the Company. Welcome! (I'll say it again officially when you join the NJ board).

For instance, I... It is the fault of the kind of management thinking at these types of organizations that has caused pilots to HAVE to unionize to survive and provide for their families. No other labor group (not to mention we are PROFESSIONALS, not LABORERS) gets treated as badly, period. People like B19 WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND because they have not been through it. He is not worth listening to or even engaging with, it's worthless. Again, very well put! You will find that your experiences are shared by many of the NJA pilots. It's one of the reasons for their strong unity.

Personally I am thanking my lucky stars for NetJets and what it is going to provide for my family. I am paying right now 403 bucks a months for health insurance of my own for my wife and 3 year old. On April 7th, I will immediately recover 5k for the year in those expenses. Not to mention the rest of the great things that will be provided. Finally, I am reaping some return on my investment. Health care has long been considered a staple benefit for professionals so the lack of it (too often seen for pilots) shows disrespect. If other frac pilots unionize I think the health care issue may be one of the deciding factors. .....

Let's all try to be positive. I can tell you that from the interview process it is obvious that there is a huge push in a new direction. Based on my husband's joint committee work, I agree. They are looking for people with positive attitudes and bright outlooks that will contribute to the overall end goal which is being and maintaining their reputation of being the best of the best. Yes, the joint Company-Union goal is to provide and gain a reputation for customer service synonymous with the Ritz hotel experience .

I sure hope that is the majority outlook at NJA ....

I think that it is. Leaders in management and among the pilots recognize that ambitious goals backed by a motivated, positive attitude aren't just more pleasant; they're more productive, in the long run, too. NJA is going for the green from a fresh outlook to interest in the environment. NJA pilots are going for the green, too...;) Four leaf clovers for everyone!
 
just popped my resume/app in the mail today. Hmmm, not sure but can you tell me what is just sooo bad at NJ? I am an outsider of course and looking at the greener grass in the neighbors yard.

Good Luck! The NJA lawn is one I think you'll enjoy. The pilots are getting ready for some yard work (elections) so look for that if you get the job.

NJA pilots, if the weevils are leeching the green from your grass give 'em the boot....;)
 
....Our success as a company is the result of hard work by all sides. Union and non-union, pilots and non-pilots. (Happy B19?)
Well said, Q! And way to handle the fudspinner. :p

Our success as a "unionized pilot group" is the result of hard working dedicated individuals who were not willing to buy the BS levied upon them by Bill Boisture and the MEC of Local 284. Absolutely! It was pilots helping their fellow pilots and all (family members too) standing up together for a fair deal. That is what the NJ Pilots' Union is and I'm proud to be associated with them.

To paraphrase Dave McGhee right after the 2005 CBA, "Well congratulations gentlemen, you got what you wanted, now I have no idea how the company is going to afford this, I hope it doesn't bankrupt us." DM would have been new to NJA then; sounds like he was drinking the Boisture brew...:rolleyes: Yeah, record profits since. (What 500 something million in 2007!) Including an additional raise not mandated by our CBA. Following an excellent year in 2006, as well. Interest Based Bargaining (IBB) which brought the new pay scale is just another term for team work. :)

... I'll let the companies black ink attest to the fact that there are talented hard working people working at Netjets toward a common goal, with rare exception. Good point! It's one others of us have made as well and it proves that Union and non-union, pilots and non-pilots can work well together, in spite of what the few anti-union posters would like to have readers believe.

Respectfully
-Q

Thanks for sharing your perspective as one who has worked on both sides of the fence for NJA. My husband does a lot of joint committee work and his opinion is much like yours. Regards, NJW
 
PS Mavrck

CA1900 was just joking about the schedule being unpredictable. That doesn't apply to the 7&7 and even the 18 day is posted by the 15th of the month prior. If CA meant that the daily schedule of the job is often unpredictable, that's correct. It goes with territory, but many (like my husband) enjoy the variety. Good luck with the hiring process! NJW
 
Yep, the daily schedule is what I meant -- you can go from working mornings to nights and back in the same tour, with no control over it. (Although if it's too much, the contract allows you to just say you're too fatigued to deal with it anymore, and get some more rest.)
 
CA, the daily schedule meaning occurred to me as I typed, but I didn't think it'd hurt to clarify that, and to point out that many of the pilots prefer variety over a routine that can become monotonous/boring.
 
CA, the daily schedule meaning occurred to me as I typed, but I didn't think it'd hurt to clarify that, and to point out that many of the pilots prefer variety over a routine that can become monotonous/boring.

:laugh: I'm still having flashbacks of flying back and forth to Buffalo all day!
 
HEY!!!!!!!!

Here's some more AWESOME News!!! I just heard that NJ bought FedEx! Sweet wide-body action! Nice.

Anyway, Congrats guys/gals. The news from back in December was awesome enough by itself, but more positive news like you've just gotten only means more job security and growth where you are right now. And, in case you haven't noticed, many jobs in the aviation industry have historically been 'lacking' in those areas. So, feel good about these new changes. And, pilots, quit yer damn bitchin' so much!!!!!!

You don't know what you've got, til it's gone!
 
we already knew NJ was expanding and wanting to build acampus. Ok thats good. We just learned details but to me details are not important. I don't feel like anything has really changed for me.

Was rooting for RDU.
Bingo!

Captain Dad, I think you need to go sprinkle some more glitter and pixie dust on yourself. It's beginning to wear thin.

Juan - you know the difference between a jet engine and a pilot, right? ;)
 
Thanks for sharing your perspective as one who has worked on both sides of the fence for NJA. My husband does a lot of joint committee work and his opinion is much like yours. Regards, NJW

You're welcome, and thank you.

DM would have been new to NJA then; sounds like he was drinking the Boisture brew...

Yeah, I mean no disrespect to DM. I meant to give an example of how easily accessible Kool-Aid can be to those who have a sugar addiction.

Cheers
 
Not to rain on the NJA parade here but, (since you do it to our threads all the time), Flexjet just came out with a re-branding today and new marketing plans. More info to come soon.

P.S. That's alot of money for a "campus" that you only see twice a year.
 
Not to rain on the NJA parade here but, (since you do it to our threads all the time), Flexjet just came out with a re-branding today and new marketing plans. More info to come soon.

P.S. That's alot of money for a "campus" that you only see twice a year.

Glad to hear it, competition is essential to product development and enhancement.

3000 pilots now, probably 5000 in the next 5 to 10 years x 3 training events a year. Totally necessary.
 
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Gee Thanks Captain Dad for wasting all our time with that pathetic post. So were Building a Campus in CMH Gee thats so cool!

whats your next big secret that were all gonna get Letterman jackets with a Big NJ on the front to wear around campus or that were gonna be building Fraternity House's for all the fleets as well. How about Pi Campa Encore and Theta Zi Falcon houses first! I'm Soo excited I can't wait to tell all the CS guys and girls and see how jelous they get.

Dude your thread was more Gay then when I saw that Sovereign IOE Captain ********** at last years Company Picnic wearing a T-shirt that said I'm Not Gay but my Boyfriend Is? As he had the same response as you when you started this dumb thread. "I'm not Saying or Implying Anything "
 
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