NetJets

[Ultra Grump]

First, thanks for the info.

The new training complex.
CMH with 25 sim bays, auditorium style lecture halls, multiple large and small class rooms some with stadium seating, cafeteria/restaurant eating areas, and more classroom and office space than we will need for the next 20 years. All wired for sound lights and computers adjacent to the existing company parking lot. Ultimately several new buildings. Construction will take 2 and 1/2 years. Making everyones lives easier and better to do training in.

Why do we need auditorium lecture halls and stadium seating? Have you been to recurrent where there are 60 folks in a room? Not exactly conducive to learning. This is why, when trying to select schools, most parents are looking for small class sizes. Did they mention where those 25 sims were coming from? One of our biggest problems now is available sim time. It would take quite a bit of time to build 25 new sims. So where are those 25 sims coming from? Additionally, there is no real advantage for me to do my aircraft training in CMH. I prefer to be AWAY from the mothership when training. My life is not easier and better training in CMH.

Aircraft orders: not sure how many or how soon but was told it will be another major deal. I can only assume it is with Gulfstream they weren't specific. Talked to a friend there but he is neither confirming or denying anything. They have bought out hotels for VIPs and set up a PR thing in one of the big hangars so I assume it is this week. More planes more movement, making everyones lives better.

If they're Gulfstreams, whether it makes anyone on our side of the fence's life better will depend on how/whether the integration happens.

New interiors for all types: including DVD screens and players for smaller a/c with new layouts and storage areas for others. Total revamp for some. Not sure about the colors. Making my life better while eating my crew meal waiting for Mr. Smith.

I'll believe that when I see it.

Alternating train/check cycles (STEP or an equivalent) for captains: which means one six month check a year will now be a nonjeoperdy training event instead of a stressful checkride. Improves safety and makes everyone's life easier and better.

That would be great. What would be better would be progressive checkrides.

EFB for newer and hopefully all A/C. No more jepp revisions or at least very few for the back ups.

How long have we been hearing that?

The rest is a bunch of new, neat, very nice to have programs that will be implemented hopefully sooner than later. Making everyone's lives easier and better.

By themselves, very nice but not earth shattering. All together I think this is a very big deal. On top of all that, new union to take care of just us pilots.

Can anyone say luck of the Irish?

Discuss...

You're right. Not earth-shattering. And as others have said, "show me."

 

[netjetwife]

Ah, NJW, I have dealt with that already. Remember?!? Uuuuhh now that you mention it...:0 That is why I am a "when I see it I will believe it" type of guy. Right. A once burned, twice shy type. Got it. I did say "guys" indicating I wasn't only thinking of you, Foz.

Good food, good beer, quite room, good TV and internet, comfortable bed, and NON feather pillows. That is all I ask, along with quality pay.
I am not asking to much am I??? There's not too many chances to drink beer out on tour is there? So you don't have to have that yuccky stuff. But if you insist, make it a green one on the 17th...

Did I mention NON feather pillows. Yes. Who likes those things anyways??!!??

Excuse me!!! My "squishy" feather pillow is my favorite.. (really)

Joking aside, I am very pleased for all of our NJ families and I know that we're seeing hard work pay off. That said, other frac pilots work hard, too, and it makes me mad that they're falling behind thru no fault of their own...

A round of applause for RS and the black boot for MS!

 

[gutshotdraw]

As far as I'm concerned, most of the news is interesting but not life changing. The EFB on the other hand is the COOLEST NEWS EVER!!!:beer:

Only if they pick the right one. We didn't and....aargggg. Don't get me started.

 

[netjetwife]

First, thanks for the info. That was nice, Grumpy...

Why do we need auditorium lecture halls and stadium seating? My husband recently attended a lecture on customer service with about 300 NJ employees. Now that teamwork is becoming commonplace perhaps they see a need for an auditorium? Training has been broadened to include many NJ employees. It would take quite a bit of time to build 25 new sims. But wouldn't it be worth it end the end? So where are those 25 sims coming from? I don't know; my husband has been talking about shamrocks lately, not sims. Additionally, there is no real advantage for me to do my aircraft training in CMH. From your perspective, but I bet the UTC Chairman and Mr. Gorman have a different opinion. I prefer to be AWAY from the mothership when training. Some don't have problems with Flight Safety, some do. Oversight could prevent small problems from turning into major ones. My life is not easier and better training in CMH. Now UG, give them a fair chance. Jim Gorman is on the right track, and besides, it's not only about you...sigh. If they're Gulfstreams, whether it makes anyone on our side of the fence's life better will depend on how/whether the integration happens. Directly, perhaps; but working for a strong parent company does offer a sense of security so why not applaud NJI's good fortune.
I'll believe that when I see it. I've only been hearing that, from one pilot or another, since 2004... There's a lot to be said for a positive attitude. Suffice it to say that the NJ pilots have been led by a proactive group with vision and I highly doubt any of us would be where we are now if a different mind-set had prevailed. Now NJASAP has gone out on a limb for the pilot group. I sure hope y'all give them your support--without waiting to see what the IBT will do for you... What would be better would be progressive checkrides. One STEP at a time (pun intended). In all fairness to the UTC and Mr. Gorman, there were a lot of problems to fix and surely they've come far enough to have earned a show of enthusiasm. How long have we been hearing that? The past isn't applicable because new leaders are now involved and there's a partnership that wasn't there before. It's time to start fresh with a good attitude and appreciation for all the good things that have been happening. You're right. Not earth-shattering. And as others have said, "show me."

The results are already out there. IBB was a huge turning point that was made possible by lots of meetings and joint committee work that individually weren't "earth-shattering" but taken together added up to a new way of doing business for NJA and the entire industry. Many, many lives have already been made easier because of that new attitude. You can keep "earth-shattering" events which are actually quite rare. I'll take old fashioned commitment and hard work any day. NJW

Digging in my heels to make sure that credit is given where it is due--throughout NetJets Inc.

 

[captain dad]

Hey Grump.

All I can tell you is what I was told by Dave and Jim.

They did announce this today so I guess it is safe to say this is a given.

The auditorium is for large assemblies for presentations by Tand E, Ethics, managment talks with RTS, etc...lately they have been hard pressed to find rooms large enough to handle 120-150 people at one time. And by the sounds of it, the class sizes aren't going to get any smaller. They agree with you, as I do, that the individual classes need to be smaller for recurrent, indoc., etc... Next months recurrent classes are going to be over 100 total crew members. That is why they are interviewing and hiring more instructors and looking for more physical classroom space while the new complex is being built. The new digs are going to have many large and small class rooms. Dave actually said he doesn't want classes to exceed 30 people. I would say he feels the same way you do.

As for where the sims come from, I did not ask. Coming from a training backgound at an airline, I would guess they will come from all over. Some new, some used, and some not yet built. I would hope they will all be exactly like our A/C. Instead of having to learn another box just for the sim training.

The integration issue has been dealt with. I suggest you bring that up with the new union. I think that is going to be high on the list. If you don't want to fly a Gulfstream, I am sure there are plenty above and below you that will. That should improve your life a little.

New interiors: I am with you, I'll believe it when I see it. I am just repeating what I was told. I am sure this will not be an overnight process. This comes from owners not pilots.

I mentioned the "progressive" checkrides where you train to proficiency, like some airlines do. No quote here, but Dave said that the "step" type program is already approved for the FOs, so it is a relatively simple matter to get it for the captains. Where as the progressive checkrides would be a whole new program and I don't think a non 121 carrier can do the progressive type training.

The EFB: Dave and Jim said they have decided on the supplier and have several versions to choose from. He used some names but I am unfamiliar with the products and can't remember them. He used specifics, has handled demos, with NJA software loaded, and talked about writing manuals for them, which would make me think they are close to ready. Just my gut feeling.

I am just relaying information and trying to stay positive about the future. If I could "show you" and make all this stuff happen, I would do it tomorrow. If you want to beat up the messanger go right ahead.

Just promise to take your meds first.:laugh:

 

[netjetwife]

CD, this can be a tough crowd for a messenger with good news and a positive attitude. I've been in your shoes several times: Reporting about my husband's work with SU and their determination/talent to win a fair contract. (done) Sharing early news about UTC designed STEP making training better (done) Talking about the shift in attitudes as they started to happen (done) Explaining that IBB was good for the pilotgroup (done) Suggesting that the NJA pilots were ready to solo (coming soon to a shamrock near you... ) Each time I've been met with varying degrees of skepticism, but it seems to be waning as the pilots come to realize that I truly do have a front row seat because of my husband's leadership involvement. For what it's worth guys, nothing on CD's list surprises me; the joint committees have been busy. When you consider how far the total group has come since 2004, it's easy to be optimistic about the future. Surely the above mentioned track record has earned a show of faith in both Company and Union leadership? It should also serve as a reminder that the NJ pilots (and their families) are capable of making positive changes in the industry. I hope so because the next big challenge is almost upon you... You're ready for it! NJW

 

[Dassault]

Only 67 million?? In company recurrent the president said Raleighs opening number was 100 million dollars in incentives. Skybus got 57 million and they are a start up with no history. We got ripped off.

 

[B19 Flyer]

CD, this can be a tough crowd for a messenger with good news and a positive attitude. I've been in your shoes several times: Reporting about my husband's work with SU and their determination/talent to win a fair contract. (done) Sharing early news about UTC designed STEP making training better (done) Talking about the shift in attitudes as they started to happen (done) Explaining that IBB was good for the pilotgroup (done) Suggesting that the NJA pilots were ready to solo (coming soon to a shamrock near you... ) Each time I've been met with varying degrees of skepticism, but it seems to be waning as the pilots come to realize that I truly do have a front row seat because of my husband's leadership involvement. For what it's worth guys, nothing on CD's list surprises me; the joint committees have been busy. When you consider how far the total group has come since 2004, it's easy to be optimistic about the future. Surely the above mentioned track record has earned a show of faith in both Company and Union leadership? It should also serve as a reminder that the NJ pilots (and their families) are capable of making positive changes in the industry. I hope so because the next big challenge is almost upon you... You're ready for it! NJW

It was only possible because of the union, right? The only reason for any success at NJ if you read this propaganda, it is all because of 1108.

Forget the massive losses sustained during the negotiations, the stagnant nature of new deliveries and the very public statements by RS about his disappointment as he lists the union as one of the items that held the company back. He publically will state otherwise now because he's a smart man and knows politically he has to, but you gotta know that he's still not happy about needing to overcome the obsticle that the union presented. There isn't faith in union leadership, are you crazy? They are there and as a manager you learn to just manage around them. Something that RS seems to be able to do better than most.

It's funny how the exact same pilots that worked for the company before the CBA but refused to step up to the plate would suddenly do it after. Why would they do it after the CBA and not before?

It's all about the money, and I have to laugh my a$$ off that once again, NJW doesn't say a single word about any employee group except the pilots.

She doesn't have a shred of respect or even take the time to recognize those that made other career choices.

I think that a new campus will be terrific for the company, and CMH is a very affordable place to live compared to other regions of the country such as RDU. It will certainly help the company and all the employees that are required to keep the operation running smoothly every single day.

 

[jtf]

I'm sure the 6 sims already at the CMH FSI will be transferred over and my guess is that they can pump out some more in the next 2 and a half years before it opens. Even after it opens I'm sure it won't have all the sim beys filled right away.

 

[squonk]

CapDad what kind of timeline did Dave give on the Step and Jepp implementation?

This is great news even if we only get half of what's promised over the next few years.

Either way we are in exciting times.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

It was only possible because of the union, right? The only reason for any success at NJ if you read this propaganda, it is all because of 1108.

Forget the massive losses sustained during the negotiations, the stagnant nature of new deliveries and the very public statements by RS about his disappointment as he lists the union as one of the items that held the company back. He publically will state otherwise now because he's a smart man and knows politically he has to, but you gotta know that he's still not happy about needing to overcome the obsticle that the union presented. There isn't faith in union leadership, are you crazy? They are there and as a manager you learn to just manage around them. Something that RS seems to be able to do better than most.

It's funny how the exact same pilots that worked for the company before the CBA but refused to step up to the plate would suddenly do it after. Why would they do it after the CBA and not before?

It's all about the money, and I have to laugh my a$$ off that once again, NJW doesn't say a single word about any employee group except the pilots.

She doesn't have a shred of respect or even take the time to recognize those that made other career choices.

I think that a new campus will be terrific for the company, and CMH is a very affordable place to live compared to other regions of the country such as RDU. It will certainly help the company and all the employees that are required to keep the operation running smoothly every single day.

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OOPSY, Looks Like B19 came outta his hole again....uke:


ARRRRRRRRR, MATEY, GIVE THE NAYSAYER THA BOOT AND SHOVE HIM BACK DOWN HIS HOLE!

 

[captain dad]

CapDad what kind of timeline did Dave give on the Step and Jepp implementation?

This is great news even if we only get half of what's promised over the next few years.

Either way we are in exciting times.

There was so much being discussed that I either missed it or he didn't give exact dates. The details that he stated and the parts completed made me believe that it won't be long. He made it sound like it was ready for submission to the feds. I think the biggest and slowest obsticle, as usual, is the FAA. I try to stay optomistic. It is very hard to get stuff done fast and done right all at the same time.

 

[Helmsalee]

B19, you need to change your sign off. Any idiot knows Lorenzo is/was a lying piece of dung. Anyone who would quote him and expect someone to believe it is on drugs.

 

[netjetwife]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OOPSY, Looks Like B19 came outta his hole again....uke:


ARRRRRRRRR, MATEY, GIVE THE NAYSAYER THA BOOT AND SHOVE HIM BACK DOWN HIS HOLE!

Good idea, Captain! The poisonous word-twister is slithering from thread to thread spewing venom. The smell alone is sickening! Yes sir, I can see that. And some poor unsuspecting soul might get bitten. Right, sir! Now slog through the Fud and put up a sign. Yes sir!

WARNING TO THE CREWS: WORD TWISTERS ARE VENOMOUS. IF YOU ENCOUNTER ONE KICK IT OFF THE BOARD.

 

[Fozzy]

It's all about the money, and I have to laugh my a$$ off that once again, NJW doesn't say a single word about any employee group except the pilots.

Last time I checked the Union was made up of PILOTS. We pay the dues, it is their job to look out for the dues paying members.
I don't expect my accountant to worry about anyone else's taxes but mine when he is on my dime. Same goes for my Doctor.
Go away with this boo hoo for the other guy. One minute you are a right wing nut job capitalist, the next you are going socialist.
Go back under your bridge troll.