Netjets Casino employees

[FamilyGuy]

Originally Posted by FamilyGuy
For those that failed accounting......REVENUES do not equal PROFIT.

$120 Million in increased pay is roughly 3 times the NJ US Profit.

If you're so bright and control the scarce resource (labor) why dont you start your own airline or fractional?

Simple, you dont have the CAPITAL to get it done....that's the scarce resource.

Mr. Moisture you are right, I forgot about your golden paracute and all the Aurthur Anderson, aka Enron accounting schemes you have going on right now.

Here's an excellent example of why I've had my fill of union shops. When faced with logic they cant counter the extremists will make personal attacks on the company and management (and in the right circumstances even their union 'brothers') to divert attention away from the issues being debated. Do you honestly think Mr. Boisture needs this job? Lets face it, he's already proven himself at several other companies and probably doesnt need the money he's earning here.

How about the one where your charging us $68.00 for a $10.00 quart of oil? The ponzi scheme will be exposed.

I've seen a lot of references in this forum about NetJets funneling money out of NJA and off to other NJ companies or to other BRK companies. It seems to me that if that's the case it would be fairly easy to prove. Just show where NetJets is paying more for services than other companies. After all, we are the 800 pound gorilla, so we should get the best price, right? I dont know what oil or flight training costs, but since we are the biggest i would think we should have good rates. We can all sit around and b1tch about the high cost of services, but if everyone else is paying more than we are then you cant really claim that NetJets is funneling money somewhere or this is some big ponzi scheme.

pay me a fair piece of the pie or I will STMFD!

Another excellent example of why I got tired of working in a union shop. Everyone agrees you should get a raise, the question is how much. What exactly is your definition of a fair piece of the pie? Double your salary? Triple?

If you're truly that bitter then maybe you should find a career that is a better fit for you.

 

[CandyMan]

Netjets could make a hell of a lot more money if they really wanted too! The waist on the road is absolutely crazy. The folks sitting in the air conditioned/heated "Puzzle Palace" don't see this picture.

The unnecessary ferry flights, hotels, per diem,airline flights, Overtime, Mx, the 100 dollar quarts of oil, Flight Safety charging Netjets more for training than its other customers, airline flights for carpet dances that should have been handled with a phone call

this list goes on and on and on and on forever. The company waists millions each day and no one fixes the problems.

If your sitting in the puzzle palace don't fool yourself. This company blows unneccesary millions each day.

Last I checked the pilots want this stuff fixed. Pilots aren't the ones waisting the money here. Phone call after phone call from the pilots to the puzzle palace with ideas during the day on how to save money and all they get is the answer YOU DONT HAVE THE BIG PICTURE. Thats a gd joke

 

[dsptchrnja]

The company can't recruit qualified pilots. They want to raise starting pay to solve that problem not because they are magnanimous.
The union wants the entire pilot group to have a new contract prior to solving recruiting problems for the company. Come dsptchrNJA - even you aren't that dense.

you cant raise FO pay by 20 to 25% because the FO's would make just as much as a first year Captain

Interesting, two different answers to one question on the Union's position. Either the Union doesn't have an official position on the issue or they have two positions. Or are these your own opinions?

Furthermore, let's not have any more debate on why SIC's are underpaid and the sad stories about food stamps. You have sufficiently given all the answers I need to understand the issue.... The company CAN'T give a raise to them because the union won't allow it - and to think it was regardless of contract negotiations. I wonder how SIC's feel about the Union's representing them this way?

Even if the company wanted to increase pay to attract more qualified pilots, for the union stand in the way of this seems to counteract their purpose.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Another excellent example of why I got tired of working in a union shop. Everyone agrees you should get a raise, the question is how much. What exactly is your definition of a fair piece of the pie? Double your salary? Triple?.

I say Double is about right. I don't agree with those who say QS stands for Quarter Salary

 

[dsptchrnja]

Netjets could make a hell of a lot more money if they really wanted too! The waist on the road is absolutely crazy. The folks sitting in the air conditioned/heated "Puzzle Palace" don't see this picture.

The unnecessary ferry flights, hotels, per diem,airline flights, Overtime, Mx, the 100 dollar quarts of oil, Flight Safety charging Netjets more for training than its other customers, airline flights for carpet dances that should have been handled with a phone call

this list goes on and on and on and on forever. The company waists millions each day and no one fixes the problems.

If your sitting in the puzzle palace don't fool yourself. This company blows unneccesary millions each day.

Last I checked the pilots want this stuff fixed. Pilots aren't the ones waisting the money here. Phone call after phone call from the pilots to the puzzle palace with ideas during the day on how to save money and all they get is the answer YOU DONT HAVE THE BIG PICTURE. Thats a gd joke

It gets tiring explaining how this company operates in order to achieve excellent customer service. There are plenty of good reasons why you are told you don't have the big picture - mainly it's because the big picture is required to understand the reasons behind the decision making and no one has a half-hour to explain it to you, they just ask you do do your job and trust them to do theirs without being second-guessed. What you call wasting money is what you would actually call excellent customer service if you knew what you were talking about.

If this isn't good enough for you at least come up and sit with the SOC for a half a day so you can see for yourself all the kinds of unbelievable situations that come up and how they get resolved. It's what separates us from the wannabees. This is a service industry. It's about serving the people in the back remember? If this means making an "unnecessary" ferry flight to back up a revenue trip, then so be it. For all you know, it was the right business decision even if we ended up loosing a buck.

On the flip side, this is not to say crews on the road don't have good ideas, I have personally seen some of these ideas come to fruition as early as a couple of weeks ago. The idea was routed through the right channels, and taken seriously.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Netjets could make a hell of a lot more money if they really wanted too! The waist on the road is absolutely crazy. The folks sitting in the air conditioned/heated "Puzzle Palace" don't see this picture.

The unnecessary ferry flights, hotels, per diem,airline flights, Overtime, Mx, the 100 dollar quarts of oil, Flight Safety charging Netjets more for training than its other customers, airline flights for carpet dances that should have been handled with a phone call

this list goes on and on and on and on forever. The company waists millions each day and no one fixes the problems.

If your sitting in the puzzle palace don't fool yourself. This company blows unneccesary millions each day.

Last I checked the pilots want this stuff fixed. Pilots aren't the ones waisting the money here. Phone call after phone call from the pilots to the puzzle palace with ideas during the day on how to save money and all they get is the answer YOU DONT HAVE THE BIG PICTURE. Thats a gd joke

Candyman - Yes, we waste a lot of money during our daily operations. Contrary to your belief we see it here in the Flight Center as well. Some of this can not be avoided and some can be saved.

I've seen a lot of people make cost saving suggestions. Some have been implemented and money saved. Other times the person making the suggestion did not know all of the details and once they were filled in on the 'bigger picture' they realized that their suggestion wouldnt be the best choice. The important point is that the management was open to suggestions and gave us feedback, yes or no, that the ideas would work....then they acted on the good ones.

I've worked a lot of jobs and this is the most open environment I've seen to suggestions from the employees. Is it perfect? No, but what company is?

I'm still waiting to hear an answer to my earlier question - what Flight Safety customer gets a better price than NetJets?

 

[Starman]

The company CAN'T give a raise to them because the union won't allow it - and to think it was regardless of contract negotiations.

It was exactly because of negotiations not regardless of them.

For the sake of this argument, let's posit that you fall into a group of employees called dispatchers. Let's say I decide that I'm having a hard time getting new dispatchers to join our company. I come out as a manager and tell you that I'll pay all new dispatchers $1500 more a month while you get no raise. How are you going to feel about that plan?

The union merely echo'd our thoughts on the issue - pay us all more and you've got a deal.

And I take back my previous supposition...you are that dense.

 

[CandyMan]

dispatcher

the problems with waste aren't coming from the dispatch area of the puzzle palace. the problems are coming from scheduling and travel. management needs to send these folks out on the road so they can see what the big picture really is.

sounds like you don't understand just how much waste goes on here. each pilot has a story from just about every tour he/she has ever had.

this company doesn't even have a computer system that is able to track different fleets and crews at the same time

i don't know how many times I have seen two different pilots or crews from two different fleets each going the same place and the company has no clue. whether it be a rental car a ferry flight or whatever. its all waste. its out of control. how many pilots get airlined out with one day to go to a broke airplane then turn around and airline home the next day. how many **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** examples do you guys need to figure out how much money this place blows for no reason


its not an open environment for pilots. I had an opportunity to save the company about 300 bucks last tour and they blew me off

300 here 300 there 100 here 2000 there x 2100 pilots = millions in waste

Customer Service? Pilots see the customers. Pilots are the front line for Customer Service.

New Hire FO Pay raise? How can it be acceptable to pay a first year FO as much or more than a first year Captain? The equation doesn't work.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Furthermore, let's not have any more debate on why SIC's are underpaid and the sad stories about food stamps. You have sufficiently given all the answers I need to understand the issue.... The company CAN'T give a raise to them because the union won't allow it - and to think it was regardless of contract negotiations. I wonder how SIC's feel about the Union's representing them this way?

Even if the company wanted to increase pay to attract more qualified pilots, for the union stand in the way of this seems to counteract their purpose.

There is indeed a reason for why the union rejected the pay raise for the F/O's. And it is not counter to the union's purposes. By not allowing the company to pick and choose how to change the contract ala cafeteria-style, the pressure is put on the company to negotiate the entire contract. Given the limited amount of pressure that the union can bring without a strike, if the company has trouble attracting new-hire pilots, it puts some onus on the company to fix the current contract and pay schedules. Ultimately, this benefits the entire union if the pressure brought to bear brings a reasonable offer from the company in negotiations.

As for how the SIC's feel about the union blocking the company's one-off offer to raise F/O pay, the ones I've talked with on the road all feel that we need to keep the eye on the prize and are willing to forgo the raise to keep pressure on in negotiations. Or, perhaps put another way, short-term pain for long-term gain.

 

[Live4flyng]

It is a waste of time arguing with the people at "Fort Fumble". Here is a perfect example of the way they think.....

For all you know, it was the right business decision even if we ended up loosing a buck.

In thier minds it's ok to lose a buck through operating inefficiencies, but God forbid you spend a buck on the people doing the job.

This is a service industry. It's about serving the people in the back remember?

It sure is, and those lousy business decisions that lose a buck are not serving the people in the back.

 

[Ultra Grump]

I've seen a lot of references in this forum about NetJets funneling money out of NJA and off to other NJ companies or to other BRK companies. It seems to me that if that's the case it would be fairly easy to prove. Just show where NetJets is paying more for services than other companies. After all, we are the 800 pound gorilla, so we should get the best price, right?

This is where we have a problem. The company "offers" the books to the union. The problem is, the books offered don't have these transactions in them (we'd need to see all of NetJets, Inc. books, not just NJA).

I'm still waiting to hear an answer to my earlier question - what Flight Safety customer gets a better price than NetJets?

Just about any company with more than one pilot attending training. I signed a 2-year training contract for my Ultra type, for about $16,500 (I don't have it in front of me for the exact figure). I have to assume that that is what NetJets pays FlightSafety, because otherwise it's fraud on NetJets' part. I know that just about any other operator can get a substantial discount from that retail price, as I was looking into a type pre-NetJets and was told as much by the FSI sales manager. You can draw your own conclusions.

 

[English]

If you do a full service initial, most operators can get a second initial full service contract for 1/2 price.

 

[El Chupacabra]

well well well... there you go.

 

[Publishers]

Geez you guys must know something we do not because we could not get that with 4 aircraft.

Secondly the worth of the contract is the worth of the training, not what they pay.

 

[English]

Geez you guys must know something we do not because we could not get that with 4 aircraft.

I must be a good negotiator

Secondly the worth of the contract is the worth of the training, not what they pay.

Huh?