Netjets Casino employees

[FAcFriend]

ghost- I appreciate your hostility and openness.

First- "EJA started at a very bad time in aviation if you were a pilot. You were extremely lucky to have a jet job. The only way to get hired was if you knew someone, worked for free, or if you paid for your own training. The pay was absolutely horrible but you were happy to just be flying" This is a quote from one your union guys.

So the guys who came early - came for the same reason guys came late- to have a job doing what they love- flying planes.

Fractional business was built on a model that had low pilot wages because pilot wages were low- too many pilots not enough jobs-

Mngt wants to resolve this issue as well as the union does. this is why mngt paid your MEC chair to attend the negotiation meetings. Taking him off the line to be a part of your negotiation team is not part of your contract (as was stated here previously) but part of the TA that was voted down.

Remember guys, this is a 3 year contract- last year you could have pocketed signing bonuses, pay raises AND started planning strategy for your next contract, so next time it doesnt take so long. All without mentioning scabs, strikes etc.

At this rate it will take at least one if not two years from the date of the voted down TA, to either strike or resolve.

 

[transpac]

dsptchrnja


I can name over 50 people in the past 2 years who have been disciplined for calling in tired. Once again your company proganda is blinding you.

Don't forget the guy who was fired. (And reinstated, thanks to the union).

 

[abenaki]

Fac Friend--

The TA last year contained "raises" that did not even equal adjustments for inflation over the last contract. It was a regressive offer that the company would have LOVED for us to sign because it was cheaper in today's dollars than the last contract.

The "signing bonuses" were minimal at best. The bonuses did not even begin to cover the lost wages over the last three years.

The language in the contract eliminated much of the OT pay and flex schedule benefits so that many pilots would have taken a pay CUT under that TA. Pilots figured to take a $5k to $10k CUT in their pay with that TA.

There is a reason why 82% of the pilots voted that contract down. Most agree that the current contract is better than the one that was offered.

So, please, don't tell me or my group what we should have done.

 

[FAcFriend]

abenaki

Thanks for the insight. I am surprised the teamsters negotiators recommended a bad contract to you.

But you have peaked my curiosity and I will go back do more research.

Thanks again

 

[abenaki]

"get rid of the union and things might get better"

Why, in heaven's name, would we want to get rid of the union? And TRUST a company that has proven time and time again that they are not trustworthy? The number of contract violations filed this year alone demonstrates their lack of integrity.

And by the way, you did not respond to Gateway/Seatlock fiasco where RTS made short-term gain for himself at the expense of the trust of the union. He will never be trusted by this union because of that tactical error.

 

[Live4flyng]

Wrong!

Mngt wants to resolve this issue as well as the union does. this is why mngt paid your MEC chair to attend the negotiation meetings. Taking him off the line to be a part of your negotiation team is not part of your contract (as was stated here previously) but part of the TA that was voted down.

Taking him off the line is part of our contract in the form of an LOA.

 

[Fracster]

Thanks for the insight. I am surprised the teamsters negotiators recommended a bad contract to you.

But you have peaked my curiosity and I will go back do more research.

You have no idea how bad it really was. Lets forget about how the contract was and focus on the old MEC and Teamsters.

We had a lawyer with NO AVITAION BACKGROUND. He had worked on one LOU prior to our contract.

The MEC used to go out to dinner with the president after meetings. Talk about an ethics viloation.
The MEC went on a 2 week road show to scare pilots into voting for the contract. They actually had the gaul to say NJA was broke and this was the best we would get. When management heard the stories they were telling they were actually repimanded.
One MEC member took off two weeks during mediated negotiations to get his SWA type rating. Thankfully he did not get the job.
The local 284 provided finance people who didnt even ask the company for the proper financial statements. They took the companies word on everything. The current MEC has requested said books and the company refuses to provide them.
I can go on and on and on about how botched the whole negotiation process was prior.

My absolute favorite and factual story goes as folows:

Last year in at company recurrent BB stated, in the middle of class, that our union was doing a great job for us and that we should be proud. Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

One of the former MEC members was in that class and had the balls to turn around and smugly smile at the class.

The former MEC was a complete joke. They created one heck of a hole and fight for the current MEC.

FacFriend, feel free to ask any question. We will all be happy to give you factual information with proof. We certainly do not want to be accused of spreading half truths. Thats the companies job.

 

[abenaki]

Frac Friend--

That our previous MEC actually recommended the proposed TA was a shock to most of this pilot group. Interestingly enough, the bulk of the raises in the TA just happened to focus on the seniorit/equipment level of the members of the MEC.

Their actions in trying to force the TA down the membership's throat led many to wonder whether or not they were somehow being "compensated" for their efforts. Their behavior at the "roadshows" was confrontational, condescending threatening and downright bizarre for a group that supposedly had the best interests of their group at heart. It was some strange.

Now to be fair, there was never any proof that they were somehow paid off, but the doubt lingers.

 

[MalteseX]

Well Said

These guys are no more dispatchers for netjets than I am Pope. They are here to spread doubt and fear among the pilots. They are here to stir the pot and create anger between different employee groups. Forget about them - they aren't worth your time.

Take the time to read Confessions of a Union Buster and you'll start to see right through all the trash being posted by dsptchrNJA, FAcFriend, I-R-DXR, NJACrewservicer, casino wife, and others. Anonymous posts on this board are a perfect way for one or two people contracted by NJA to sew the seeds of doubt. Recognize them for what they are and move on.

Well said, Starman. This was pretty obvious to me from the beginning. It's amazing that the list screennames above just about covers all the non-pilot jobs in the Netjets "family" (Dispatchers, Flight Managers, Wives, Crew Services, Owners, etc). If MX were not union, there would be a MX guy on here ripping your pilots as well. By far, most guys working there support your pilots.

 

[Hogprint]

Me too. But who walked away from who?

I'm willing to bet from your point of view it was us....

From our perspective it has been the company....

Therein lies the dilemma!