Netjets Casino employees

[El Chupacabra]

I am not confused.

The company claimed that charter costs were higher than the OCCUPIED HOURLY FEES we charge owners. This is correct. However those fees are only a Fraction of the fees owners pay.

Also... 800 occupied hours per year in each airplane is a full share. Now when we selloff 100 hours to charter on that airplane... does that mean we do not fly the full 800 hours? Do we only fly 700 hours on that plane?

No we fly that 100 hours... and we put JetCard holder hours on it. We also fly EJM charter flights on these planes.

You see. We buy 100 hours of charter... but we then... in addition to the monies already paid by our owners... get to sell 100 hours that were not flown on the QS airplane. Revenues are generated. This more than compensates for the cost of selloff charter but is not mentioned.

When I fly EJM charter... are the revenues generated reckoned to NJA or EJM?

The simplistic argument was presented by management... mentioning ONLY the occupied hourly fee... not all the other monies which dwarf those fees... and the fact that the hours not flown on the owners plane are flown to create jetcard and charter revenues... and this revenue is not counted in the company's simplistic argument.

 

[Bad Monkey!]

For those that failed accounting......REVENUES do not equal PROFIT.

$120 Million in increased pay is roughly 3 times the NJ US Profit.

If you're so bright and control the scarce resource (labor) why dont you start your own airline or fractional?

Simple, you dont have the CAPITAL to get it done....that's the scarce resource.

Mr. Moisture you are right, I forgot about your golden paracute and all the Aurthur Anderson, aka Enron accounting schemes you have going on right now.

How about the one where your charging us $68.00 for a $10.00 quart of oil? The ponzi scheme will be exposed.

pay me a fair piece of the pie or I will STMFD!

 

[dsptchrnja]

Others need a substantial pay increase to be compensated fairly; they haven't had a pay raise since 1998!

Your quote is misleading. Most SIC's who wanted to work for 27K in 1998 are now making between $46K and $60K today - not taking into account overtime and per diem - and assuming he or she is still an SIC. Just because an FO starts at 27K doesn't mean he doesn't get a raise every year - even under the current contract. Not to mention the number of SIC's that started in 1998 that are now PIC's and making well above 60K. Perhaps you meant to say the contractual STARTING pay hasn't increased since 98.

The company says they went the union earlier this year and offered to raise SIC pay 20-25% on the spot, independent of the bargaining process, and were "stunned" when it was refused. What is the union's official position on this?

How much is the security of a stable, increasing, paycheck worth to you when compared to the climate of 121 operations today where pilots are taking paycuts? And if pay is the number one concern, then why doesn't your husband take a 135 job that pays more for flying the same equipment?

 

[Starman]

The company says they went the union earlier this year and offered to raise SIC pay 20-25% on the spot, independent of the bargaining process, and were "stunned" when it was refused. What is the union's official position on this?

The company can't recruit qualified pilots. They want to raise starting pay to solve that problem not because they are magnanimous. The union wants the entire pilot group to have a new contract prior to solving recruiting problems for the company. Come dsptchrNJA - even you aren't that dense.

 

[CandyMan]

you cant raise FO pay by 20 to 25% because the FO's would make just as much as a first year Captain

 

[FamilyGuy]

Originally Posted by FamilyGuy
For those that failed accounting......REVENUES do not equal PROFIT.

$120 Million in increased pay is roughly 3 times the NJ US Profit.

If you're so bright and control the scarce resource (labor) why dont you start your own airline or fractional?

Simple, you dont have the CAPITAL to get it done....that's the scarce resource.

Mr. Moisture you are right, I forgot about your golden paracute and all the Aurthur Anderson, aka Enron accounting schemes you have going on right now.

Here's an excellent example of why I've had my fill of union shops. When faced with logic they cant counter the extremists will make personal attacks on the company and management (and in the right circumstances even their union 'brothers') to divert attention away from the issues being debated. Do you honestly think Mr. Boisture needs this job? Lets face it, he's already proven himself at several other companies and probably doesnt need the money he's earning here.

How about the one where your charging us $68.00 for a $10.00 quart of oil? The ponzi scheme will be exposed.

I've seen a lot of references in this forum about NetJets funneling money out of NJA and off to other NJ companies or to other BRK companies. It seems to me that if that's the case it would be fairly easy to prove. Just show where NetJets is paying more for services than other companies. After all, we are the 800 pound gorilla, so we should get the best price, right? I dont know what oil or flight training costs, but since we are the biggest i would think we should have good rates. We can all sit around and b1tch about the high cost of services, but if everyone else is paying more than we are then you cant really claim that NetJets is funneling money somewhere or this is some big ponzi scheme.

pay me a fair piece of the pie or I will STMFD!

Another excellent example of why I got tired of working in a union shop. Everyone agrees you should get a raise, the question is how much. What exactly is your definition of a fair piece of the pie? Double your salary? Triple?

If you're truly that bitter then maybe you should find a career that is a better fit for you.

 

[CandyMan]

Netjets could make a hell of a lot more money if they really wanted too! The waist on the road is absolutely crazy. The folks sitting in the air conditioned/heated "Puzzle Palace" don't see this picture.

The unnecessary ferry flights, hotels, per diem,airline flights, Overtime, Mx, the 100 dollar quarts of oil, Flight Safety charging Netjets more for training than its other customers, airline flights for carpet dances that should have been handled with a phone call

this list goes on and on and on and on forever. The company waists millions each day and no one fixes the problems.

If your sitting in the puzzle palace don't fool yourself. This company blows unneccesary millions each day.

Last I checked the pilots want this stuff fixed. Pilots aren't the ones waisting the money here. Phone call after phone call from the pilots to the puzzle palace with ideas during the day on how to save money and all they get is the answer YOU DONT HAVE THE BIG PICTURE. Thats a gd joke

 

[dsptchrnja]

The company can't recruit qualified pilots. They want to raise starting pay to solve that problem not because they are magnanimous.
The union wants the entire pilot group to have a new contract prior to solving recruiting problems for the company. Come dsptchrNJA - even you aren't that dense.

you cant raise FO pay by 20 to 25% because the FO's would make just as much as a first year Captain

Interesting, two different answers to one question on the Union's position. Either the Union doesn't have an official position on the issue or they have two positions. Or are these your own opinions?

Furthermore, let's not have any more debate on why SIC's are underpaid and the sad stories about food stamps. You have sufficiently given all the answers I need to understand the issue.... The company CAN'T give a raise to them because the union won't allow it - and to think it was regardless of contract negotiations. I wonder how SIC's feel about the Union's representing them this way?

Even if the company wanted to increase pay to attract more qualified pilots, for the union stand in the way of this seems to counteract their purpose.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Another excellent example of why I got tired of working in a union shop. Everyone agrees you should get a raise, the question is how much. What exactly is your definition of a fair piece of the pie? Double your salary? Triple?.

I say Double is about right. I don't agree with those who say QS stands for Quarter Salary

 

[dsptchrnja]

Netjets could make a hell of a lot more money if they really wanted too! The waist on the road is absolutely crazy. The folks sitting in the air conditioned/heated "Puzzle Palace" don't see this picture.

The unnecessary ferry flights, hotels, per diem,airline flights, Overtime, Mx, the 100 dollar quarts of oil, Flight Safety charging Netjets more for training than its other customers, airline flights for carpet dances that should have been handled with a phone call

this list goes on and on and on and on forever. The company waists millions each day and no one fixes the problems.

If your sitting in the puzzle palace don't fool yourself. This company blows unneccesary millions each day.

Last I checked the pilots want this stuff fixed. Pilots aren't the ones waisting the money here. Phone call after phone call from the pilots to the puzzle palace with ideas during the day on how to save money and all they get is the answer YOU DONT HAVE THE BIG PICTURE. Thats a gd joke

It gets tiring explaining how this company operates in order to achieve excellent customer service. There are plenty of good reasons why you are told you don't have the big picture - mainly it's because the big picture is required to understand the reasons behind the decision making and no one has a half-hour to explain it to you, they just ask you do do your job and trust them to do theirs without being second-guessed. What you call wasting money is what you would actually call excellent customer service if you knew what you were talking about.

If this isn't good enough for you at least come up and sit with the SOC for a half a day so you can see for yourself all the kinds of unbelievable situations that come up and how they get resolved. It's what separates us from the wannabees. This is a service industry. It's about serving the people in the back remember? If this means making an "unnecessary" ferry flight to back up a revenue trip, then so be it. For all you know, it was the right business decision even if we ended up loosing a buck.

On the flip side, this is not to say crews on the road don't have good ideas, I have personally seen some of these ideas come to fruition as early as a couple of weeks ago. The idea was routed through the right channels, and taken seriously.