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sikntired said:Familyguy,
Why do you have such an insatiable need for information? Are you being paid by Netjets management to engage a few pilots in a "debate"? Piss 'em off & get 'em to spill?
Just wondering.
I'm sikntired
Some Dude said:Once again "Family Guy and Fred" won't acknowledge the fact that the FLIGHT CREWS are always at the top of customer satisfaction surveys.
The OWNERS ALWAYS RANK THE FLIGHT CREWS AS HIGHLY PROFEESIONAL AND COMPETENT. No other department comes close to that level of customer satisfaction. Once again they fail or cannot deny the facts of my posts. They try to deflect the truth.
You want professionalism. We have it. I have been intrusted with the safety of the former President of the United States and his family including the current President and his family. I think that speaks volumes about NJA flight crews and the level of professionalism displayed every day. I see people at the casino working their butts off only to be led down the wrong path by clueless management. I really feel sorry for them.
FamilyGuy said:From my perspective, the union is taking the low road and management is taking the high road by repeatedly complimenting the pilot group on its professionalism and never degrading them in public. This is in sharp contrast with the unions approach. As Boisture has said in the roundtable meetings - its about treating people with respect. I just dont see that from the union.
Some Dude said:Why don't you offer solutions to fix NJA problems? The flight crews offer real world solutions every single day. Yet not one of you have the balls to take on the facts.
Well I'm waiting...........
FamilyGuy said:I've seen a lot of people make cost saving suggestions. Some have been implemented and money saved. Other times the person making the suggestion did not know all of the details and once they were filled in on the 'bigger picture' they realized that their suggestion wouldnt be the best choice. The important point is that the management was open to suggestions and gave us feedback, yes or no, that the ideas would work....then they acted on the good ones.
I've worked a lot of jobs and this is the most open environment I've seen to suggestions from the employees. Is it perfect? No, but what company is?
All I have seen is management falling all over themselves to tell you guys how 'professional' you are.
He meant a 'kick ass agreement' for the company, not the pilots. It seems a valid point. The company held all the cards at that time.Hogprint said:I don't follow this line of reason. Why would the company want to give us a "kick ass agreement" right after 9/11, when thousands of pilots were hitting the streets?
Diesel said:Too bad that doesn't pay the bills.
FamilyGuy said:$100,000 doesnt pay your bills? What is your lifestyle Diesel that you can pay your bills with that kind of money?
It sounds to me like you've fallen into that common trap of confusing WANTS with NEEDS.
There are hundreds of people here in the casino that make a third of that and are able to pay their bills every month.
If I had that kind of money I could afford 2 homes, fund my 401k and IRA's for my wife and I, and put the kids in private school.
Maybe you should consider a class on budgeting. To get you started, take a look at all of your current monthly expenses....the first thing I'd look at is those union dues...how much does that set you back? One pound of flesh or two?
Maybe that's the real reason why $100k isnt enough...the union dues are too high. Maybe you should take a look at how much of your dues are going to fund these teamsters salaries....
http://www.tdu.org/_100_000_Club_2004.pdf
FAcFriend said:If bridgeway bob is such a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** good communicator why doesnt the union hire him to communicate your message??
abenaki said:1) I don't give a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** what anyone at Bridgeway thinks of me or this pilot group....and therefore, I don't give **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** what you have to say on this board. You don't pay my bills, you aren't responsible for putting my kids through school, making my car payments and you sure as he..ll have no right to make a determination as to what a reasonable salary is for ME in mY profession.
BB makes a reported $1.2 million a year! And that doesn't include his gree flying on NJA aircraft whenever he wants. Why don't you go tell HIM what is reasonable for him to make!
2) Unless you are FULLY informed as to backgrounds of each and every pilot here, the background of this industry, the commonly used union busting tactics that BB and his minions are using, what it took to achieve the positions that we have in terms of training, experience and education as professional pilots, the job that we do every day to make this place run, and a DETAILED understanding of the history of these negotiations starting four years ago, then you have no place in commenting on what actions we take to achieve what we think is best for us and our families.
2) This same sort of nonsensical bickering has occurred time and time again in the history of contractual negotiations with people outside the group who are engaged in the fight, telling those doing the fighting what/when/why/where and how they are wrong wrong wrong about everything. This is a waste of time and energy for all involved. The management moles on here have no clue as to the uselessness of their efforts. Quite the contrary, they may actually be hurting their "cause" because of the ignorant posts they make.
3) If you are too nai've not to understand the propaganda/spin and outright lies told by the company in the course of these events, then I suggest that you read I WAS A UNION BUSTER.....you will find that everything being said to you and to the union by the company and "Bridgeway Bob" is right out of the tactics outlined in that book. The problem is management is too silly stupid to understand that by employing such tactics, they are simply unifying the group more and more. It was all a suprise at one point in history, but once you've seen the play run a few times, it looses it effectiveness and ends up costing you yards. Such tactics unified the pilot groups at other airlines and in some cases it cost the airlines dearly.
4) And while getting into the specific arguments on here is something I LOATHE to do, I will address one simply out of it's completely warped rationale as an illustration as to the ignorant level of posts on here by those who are trying to tell others what is best for them....
Family Guy said the following:
"$100,000 doesnt pay your bills?.....If I had that kind of money I could afford 2 homes, fund my 401k and IRA's for my wife and I, and put the kids in private school"......
Please explain to me Family Guy how you could do all of the above on $100K a year? I would be interested......
$100K a year translates into about 60K a year with taxes and 401K contributions. My check is about 60% of gross.....so, just for sake of argument, I'll chip in another 12K and make it 72K a year take home.....
Now, please explain to me how you are going to have two homes and put your kids in private school on 6k a month? Are we talking two single wides here? And by private school you mean kindergarten? The private school where I live is about $18k a year......what's yours? My kids go to public school......
Please outline a budget for me where you can do all of that on 6k a month in take home pay. Car payments? Food? Utilities? Clothes? Property taxes? Insurances? Medical expenses? Entertainment? Braces? Tuitions? Fee? Books? Travel? Vacation? Gas? Maintenance?
That's the problem with these discussions. They are ignorant.
Buh bye now...
Some Dude said:Once again Family Guy has NO SOLUTIONS TO NJA PROBLEMS. Just blame the pilots. When you go out and get the training and experience that I have you can ask for 100,000. When you put your job on the line every day. When you get the job done safely and on time then you can ask for that kind of money. Yet you are still scared to talk about the facts. Or you just don't know the facts. So shut your pie hole. If you don't make that kind of money then that is your fault. Maybe put in for a VP job you sound perfect for it. Clueless and jealous.
FamilyGuy said:I have no problem with you making $100k. You've earned it. I've chosen my path in life and I'm happy with it. I wish you guys could say the same.
I also agree that you deserve a raise. I've never disputed that.
My only concern is the way you are going about it. This scorched earth policy that you seem to be following is just going to create ill will between you, the company, the rest of us employees, and our fellow aviators in the 135 community. There has to be a better way.