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[FAcFriend]

Dsptchr, my post on page one of this thread made it clear that the MEC chairman is NOT on the negotiating team and his leaving the room had NO BEARING ON WHAT TOOK PLACE. We were all apprised of the proceedings which followed because one of the negotiators posted a full report to the pilots. Communication is a top priority for Local 1108. Your post shows a basic lack of understanding so I will help fill you in. The leadership positions are voluntary--we do not pay them.


ok, back to trying to have a good discussion without the hostility.

so the MEC chairman left the room and your negotiating team took over and reported back to you. Of course, they didnt report EVERYTHING because they signed a non disclosure form. Is their report transparent? Can you trust the negotiating team if they signed the agreement? If the answer to the above question is "yes, we still trust the negotiating team", then it looks from an outsider that your MEC chair has "staged" a confrontation for no reason.

You see from my perspective- this makes no sense. But i am willing to listen and try to understand.


Then I thought the following:
But if the MEC chairman is not participating fully in the negoatiations, why are you paying him to be there? Couldn't your money and his energy be better spent elsewhere, than sitting outside the negotiating room?

But you have said "leadership postions are voluntary. We do not pay them."

Does this guy take his vacation time to attend these meetings? Who pays for him to be there? Hotel, airfare? His time.

 

[peghead]

Hey Dickscratcher,

Did anybody tell you this company was built of the sweet of the Pilots that filled their own flight plans. You were only hired so the pilots could make more money for RTS and keep the airplanes up in the air....remember that!

 

[semperfido]

Did anybody tell you this company was built of the sweet of the Pilots that filled their own flight plans.

sweet ( P ) Pronunciation Key (swt)
adj. sweet·er, sweet·est
Having the taste of sugar or a substance containing or resembling sugar, as honey or saccharin.

 

[dsptchrnja]

To those of you upstairs,

Quit yer bitchen about "you knew what you were making when you came here" crap!!!

You knew (or had the ability to find out) that we were union and could possibly go on strike someday.

If you didn't know or didn't find out, that's not our fault. It's yours!!

You're GD right we will strike if we have too. We should just roll over just for you so you can keep your job?? Whatever!! You sound like my ex-wife. "It is all about you isn't it??", she would say. Come to find out, the counselor made her see it was all about her. It's all about YOU because that is all I have read here. "You are threatening my job", "my family", "my this", "my that"..

Enough already. We will do what WE have to. Be it a strike or recess or find another job. You do what YOU have to, whatever that may be.

Also, how many times do we have to tell you people that we refused to look at the books that they offered. THE COMPANY REFUSED TO SHOW US THE BOOKS THAT WE REQUESTED TO LOOK AT. Why don't you ask the company what they have to hide by not showing US the books we want? I will tell you......A SH!T LOAD OF HIDDEN MONEY THAT THEY DON'T WANT US TO KNOW ABOUT. That is why we will strike.

So instead of being pissed at us, why don't you direct some of that anomosity towards the company, for they are the reason we will strike. Ergo, their fault.

And the blame game continues...

 

[Live4flyng]

NJI pilots are not paid at the top of the GIV scale for corporate pilots. But they aren't on the bottom, either. They aren't corporate pilots. They don't have hanger duties. They don't have to put in face time. Their job has much more in common with airline pilots than corporate pilots.

Actually, their job has everything in common with the operation of NJA. It was modeled after and paid for by NJA's operation. The operations are interchangeable and owned by the same company (NeJets Inc, Berkshire Hathaway).

We know you have a huge hard-on for NJI, did you used to work there? I'm still trying to figure out some of your backhanded compliments. In one post you support us, and the next you explain how we are inferior to NJI.

Jetblue has very little if anything in common with Netjets. They are a low cost carrier that is struggling to eek out a tiny profit. Netjets not only is profitable, but it has accelerated earnings and growth. If you want to compare us to JBLU, then we should be making 10X as much money as those pilots. If you want to make a pay by weight argument, then add up the weight of all the airplanes NJA operates.

 

[FAcFriend]

Actually, their job has everything in common with the operation of NJA. It was modeled after and paid for by NJA's operation. The operations are interchangeable and owned by the same company (NeJets Inc, Berkshire Hathaway).

Good point. And that reminds me of the comments made earlier that NJA will not open all the books to the negotiating team that the negotiating team would like to see.

Where should management draw the line? Should we ask to open the books to Geico? Dairy Queen? (this is not meant to be sarcastic) Netjets aviation is not a division but a wholly owned subsidiary of Net Jets Inc. Isnt it? (I maybe wrong here). Should the pilots be able to look at the books for all wholly owned subsidiaries?

And then, all wholly owned subsidiaries of which parent company, NJ Inc or Berkshire Hathaway?

Sometimes things are more complicated than one liners spread on both sides.

 

[Fozzy]

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[CE750Driver]

Dispatcher, you truly have shown your colors as a management toad. I tried to give you answers to some of your questions and you come of all emotional. By the way, I have a 4 year degree in Aviation business, so I will give my opinions on whatever I want. Given 4 years I might be able to teach you business basics 101, but I doubt it. Since your crass attitude ruined the intent of this thread, which was to have a logical, adult discusion.

Get back to work! Direct at Mach 92 and FL410, and Im takin extra fuel BEEEYOTCH! Guess what, if you dont file it, I can.

STMFD

 

[Traderd]

Dispatcher, you truly have shown your colors as a management toad. I tried to give you answers to some of your questions and you come of all emotional. By the way, I have a 4 year degree in Aviation business, so I will give my opinions on whatever I want. Given 4 years I might be able to teach you business basics 101, but I doubt it. Since your crass attitude ruined the intent of this thread, which was to have a logical, adult discusion.

Get back to work! Direct at Mach 92 and FL410, and Im takin extra fuel BEEEYOTCH! Guess what, if you dont file it, I can.

STMFD

How do you reconcile an intent to have a logical, adult discussion with your use of terms such as "BEEEYOTCH" and the use of "STMFD"?

 

[CE750Driver]

Logical discusion went out the window as soon as that tool started posting. That was my point of the post.

That was shown in my statement "since your crass attitude ruined the point of this post". Did you not see that?