Netjets Casino employees

[abenaki]

To Dispatcher NJA and all "Casino" Employees:

I respectfully submit that very few, if any Casino employees can fully understand the issues that are on the table now for the pilots. Mind you, this is NOT out of any lack of intelligence on your part, it is simply out of a lack of information, history and experience in this arena.

Pilot/Mechanic/FLight attendant labor issues go back many decades.If you are truly interested in a real history, lesson, I suggest that you get a copy of the two FLYING THE LINE books that detail the history of ALPA and it's battles.

Guessing that few of you will choose to do that (not that I blame you), please feel free to ask me any questions that you like....I will be back later with more....

 

[ce750drvr]

And the blame game continues...

Dsptchr,

There is the problem right there you moron!!! YOU are blaming US if we strike and you lose your job. You knew that was a possibility when YOU came HERE.

So let me get this straight, it is ok for YOU to blame US but when we try to DEFEND our position (which we shouldn't even have to) you accuse us of blaming you??

Again, you sound like my ex-wife. It's ok for you to do something but not ok for us (even though we truley aren't, you just take it that way).

My bad, we will do whatever YOU want us to do just so you will feel warm and cozy. What an ass. You are the typical one sighted person. As long as you get YOURS, who cares about anybody else.

 

[bizjet737]

how about this - netjets pilots (and wifey, too) get off the public boards. if a non-bargaining employee or outsider wants info, they can go to the website set up specifically for them: www.nj6s.com there's no way to verify who those posing as fellow employees are.

 

[NJAFracPilot]

It's interesting that the NJA Boeing pilots have formed their own company with a separate pay scale starting at $135K and make up to $213K for flying a larger aircraft, but you guys never mention that. Really, ask yourselves why is there a split here?

The BBJ pilots are NJA pilots. The agreement (LOA) spells out the compensation for these pilots. It is bidable and they are on NJA's senority list.

I bet more of our pilots have gone to NJI than have gone to NJLA.

 

[FAcFriend]

fozzy,

I thought your reply was intelligent and well thought out.

Why did you erase it?

 

[Fozzy]

Thanks.

But when certain people ask you to kindly shut up, you must take notice and listen. I am not sure if it was something contained in my post or not. But it really was not important, so why risk it. So "deleted".

Thanks again, it is rare that my posts are called well thought out. Usually they are the result of to much beer, not enough pay and a 4.5 hour commute.

 

[Traderd]

Logical discusion went out the window as soon as that tool started posting. That was my point of the post.

That was shown in my statement "since your crass attitude ruined the point of this post". Did you not see that?

Yes.
I cannot speak to evidence of a "crass attitude", as the words are too ambiguous for accurate definition. I do see a difference of opinions and positions. At no point do I see Dsptchr utilizing verbiage such as "BEEYOOOCH" and "STMFD" to get a point across. If I am mistaken, consider an apology tendered.

 

[abenaki]

FAc Friend--you asked
"Where should management draw the line? Should we ask to open the books to Geico? Dairy Queen? (this is not meant to be sarcastic) Netjets aviation is not a division but a wholly owned subsidiary of Net Jets Inc. Isnt it?"

The problem lies in the first question you ask, "Where should management draw the line?"......

The problem here is that as "wholly owned subsidiaries" of BH, there is NO accounting for the DELIBERATELY various shells under "Net Jets".....

Why do I say deliberately? So money can be moved from one shell to another to make the books look good or bad at will.....How is this supported by facts?

This has already been answered.....take the $49 per quart of oil charged by EJM to NJA as simply one example. If you WANTED to suck money out of one portion of NJA to show how "little" it is making, wouldn't you employ similar tactics such as overcharging for oil, sim time, insurance, maintenance, etc? It's EASY to make the books look any way that you want them to look when you do not have account for such expenses amongst the various NJ entities.

Management has ADMITTED that it has used NJA profits to finance the start-up of NJE. So, if you are sucking money out of one portion of NJA to start another portion of Net Jets known as NJE, isn't it obvious that NJA is making loads of money?

So, management is using the too-often cited cry today that "we are poor and aren't making any money so we can't pay you anything".....meanwhile they're sucking off the profits to EJM, Flight Safety, USAIG, and NJE all to make their case. So, if there is true honor here, then they must make available all accouting taking into account these factors. They haven't. And they won't. You can answer for yourself why they won't.

 

[abenaki]

FEAR and DIVISION

To the Casino Employees and the Dispatcher--

One of the problems here is that you are all being fed the information as management wants you to hear it. There is no "balancing" on the company website, is there? Every wonder why that is? Ever wonder why management doesn't open up the company website to the union's position? If they are so open and honest, then why wouldn't they openly invite the opposing viewpoint?

Well, one reason is so that they can sow seeds of fear, doubt and uncertainty and make fairly blatant attempts at prodding one employee group against another. That is all part of union busting 101. If you don't believe me, read I WAS A UNION BUSTER...you will find that every tactic that management is employing coming right out of that book.

While you may not choose to acknowledge it nor believe that it is true, attempts are being made to manipulate each and every one of you into being scared and taking out your blame and frustrations on the pilot group. This tactic has been employed many times over the years by various management groups at various aviation and non-aviation companies.

And you know what? I don't blame you for being scared. This is scary stuff. Our actions are made to appear to threaten YOU! So why wouldn't you be scared? And what is the result of fear? Anger usually. And who does management want you to be angry at? THE PILOTS!!!! Of course!!!!

It's beautiful! Instill fear! Hope for anger!!! And make sure that anger is targeted at the employee group you are negotiating with. Make THEM out to be the bad guys and spin any event in order to make your case. **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**! It's brilliant! Evil, but brilliant!

And some of you have taken the bait and run with it...one example? The reasoning behind the chairman of the MEC leaving the meeting once it was announced that the negotiating team and the chairman would have to sign a confidentiality agreement in regards to the "financial information" that the company was about to present.

Any good chairman ENTRUSTS his negotiating team with information. He (the MEC Chairman) CANNOT have his hands tied in regards to communication with his membership by any "confidentiality agreement". That's not how it works AND it's why there is ALWAYS supposed to be a negotiating team SEPARATE from the MEC so one group CAN have it's hands tied while the other can be freely open with it's membership.

The chairman of the MEC discussed his position with the Mediator and the Mediator agreed with his decision to leave the meeting prior to the presentation.....

So, FracFriend.....did the Chairman of the MEC institute some kind of confrontation as you suggest? Or did NJA management set him up to look bad by doing something that they KNEW he couldn't participate in? And did the company website EXPLAIN his position or simply make an attempt to make him look badly? His actions were above board with all involved. Can you say teh same about the explanantion?

You really have to ask yourselves, "Who's zoomin' whom here?"......

 

[CE750Driver]

Can you say you know the motives, reasons, facts, figures behind all the business decisions? Did they ask for your advice?

PLEASE... stick to flying planes. That's all they need you for.


If thats not a bad attitude, I dont know what is.