Netjets Casino employees

[CMHTroll]

True not very productive

It is true that these discussions are not productive. Neither is negociations when the MEC Chairman doesn''t listen, (actually his comment was that he is deaf,) and that he is looking at tea leaves for advice instead of negociating and staying in the game. Isn't it time for some more SU threats to charter pilots and threaten ti shut the company down? I guess they must be getting desperate as they have started censuring their pilots on this board and their own. I guess that is the Union way. Those you can't intimidate, censure. At least they have NJW to help their cause. And without her, we would have to watch the comedy channel for some good laughs.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

It is true that these discussions are not productive. Neither is negociations when the MEC Chairman doesn''t listen, (actually his comment was that he is deaf,) and that he is looking at tea leaves for advice instead of negociating and staying in the game. Isn't it time for some more SU threats to charter pilots and threaten ti shut the company down? I guess they must be getting desperate as they have started censuring their pilots on this board and their own. I guess that is the Union way. Those you can't intimidate, censure. At least they have NJW to help their cause. And without her, we would have to watch the comedy channel for some good laughs.

You are obviously one of the complete idiots running this clown show. Good luck in the unemployment line during the strike you tool.

 

[CMHTroll]

Sorry you are mis-informed

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[Starman]

Reason: Point made

Would that be at the top of your head?

 

[Fracster]

It is true that these discussions are not productive. Neither is negociations when the MEC Chairman doesn''t listen, (actually his comment was that he is deaf,) and that he is looking at tea leaves for advice instead of negociating and staying in the game. Isn't it time for some more SU threats to charter pilots and threaten ti shut the company down? I guess they must be getting desperate as they have started censuring their pilots on this board and their own. I guess that is the Union way. Those you can't intimidate, censure. At least they have NJW to help their cause. And without her, we would have to watch the comedy channel for some good laughs.

Its been a while since I laughed so hard.

I am not sure if you are a flight manager, scheduler, dispatcher or what but given your amount of post, the tone, prhases and verbage it is highly likely you have already posted before under a different name. Either way I do enjoy your humor.

NJA truly is a miserable company to work for. There are so many imoral and illegal actions occuring on a daily basis it makes me sick. Inept management, over inflated egos, grudges, its like a soap opera.

I truly hope the strike does happen and NJA meets a well deserved fate. It would give me no greater pleasure than to see the NetJets sign being removed from Bridgeway indicating the company is out of buisiness.

The many that work at Bridgeway will easily find new and proper employment. Trouble is management has brainwashed joe employee into believing they are lucky to have their jobs. How do I know? They have been doing to the pilots for years and many bought into it hence the work schedule, benefits and low wages.

I hope I am blessed with an opportunity to leave soon.

 

[FAcFriend]

frac

I know I am not popular here for seeminlgy always looking from management, its my nature.
Then I listen to you guys and you seem so sure that things are not as they seem. I have always said- it must be in the middle somewhere.

Then I go back to my friends who were unemployed when they went to NJA- I hear that over and over. Job, benefits, when no jobs were available after 9/11.

Maybe as the economy picks up so will opportunity for all.

I think if fractional model fails, the bulk of the fractional customer will go back to first class, not charter, etc. All of Marquis will go back to first class-

Just my opinion

 

[Bad Monkey!]

Go back to flying first class!!!! Thanks for the laugh! Apparently you don't travel on the airlines much or not at all.

After dining on steak and lobster one will not go back to eating pb&j sandwiches.

BTW, please tell me more of something you know nothing about, I need another good laugh!

 

[Starman]

Good question to ask NJAOwner - how excited is he about getting back in line at the closest major airport to get USAir, Delta, United, Northwest or American to get him to his next meeting versus calling for his airplane to tote him door to door? Netjets is addictive and we know it.

 

[FAcFriend]

happy to oblige your need for a good laugh

and you are correct, Netjets is addictive and such a nice way to fly.

However, you seem to be under the impression that rich people have no limits to their finances and will keep paying for things they want regardless of the price.

We are all on a budget-

 

[El Chupacabra]

Its better to have fewer people who pay more than many who pay less.

Its bad for the environment to burn all this jet fuel. Airspace too crowded. Ramp space too crowded.

The entire cost of pilot salaries and benefits is LESS than the change in enroute altitude of a few thousand feet would be in fuel costs.

Pilot salaries are like fuel you just have to pay to make the jet go fast.

It boggles the mind that management is willing to destroy this company rather than pay a relatively few dollars to properly compensate pilots.

 

[FAcFriend]

El

Actually, that is a calculus equation- fewer people pay more vs more people pay less. There is a point where you are correct.

I do not know the numbers about pilot salaries, what you are asking, what management is giving etc. Whenever I ask the tough questions here, pilots call me a troll and from what I have seen noone from management in the know, has been here.

It is much more complicated than a one liner-

It appears management wants to increase your base pay (the 27k everyone talks about though noone really makes 27k because everyone works some ot).

but your Ot will be limited in the now famous rejected TA. So your net pay will be less even though your base hourly wage has increaed?
I am not sure whay Ot is decreased- I think it is in part due to 91k rules.

I think this is what I am hearing so far.

It is just complicated than a one liner and noone is having a real dialogue except your negotiators, MEC and top mangement.

Though they appear to hate each other and want to talk but not listen.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Its better to have fewer people who pay more than many who pay less.

Its bad for the environment to burn all this jet fuel. Airspace too crowded. Ramp space too crowded.

The entire cost of pilot salaries and benefits is LESS than the change in enroute altitude of a few thousand feet would be in fuel costs.

Pilot salaries are like fuel you just have to pay to make the jet go fast.

It boggles the mind that management is willing to destroy this company rather than pay a relatively few dollars to properly compensate pilots.

$120 Million is NOT a relatively few dollars. And it boggles my mind that you are willing to destroy the company and the thousands of jobs it provides to pilots and others because you want to double your salary.

How many aviation companies are giving raises right now? You're pay is going to increase, the only question is by how much....meanwhile the vast majority of pilots are either furloughed or getting their pay cut by large amounts.

 

[ghostrider64]

Family guy,

Please read all of the BRK and Netjets news releases that state time and time again "U.S. profits were offset by loses in Europe"? In other words Netjets is so profitable that it is floating the operations in Europe....All at our, your's and mine, expense....

Netjets is not a typical airline....Why? one huge reason...Because what they sell they sell at an incredibly high price...And 1000's are willing and able to pay it...They charge so much that they can pay European employees more than their U.S. employees, at a time when the Europeans aren't holding their own....And at the same time Netjets is trying to increase the number of days and hours U.S. employees work...the europeans are working less and making more...

Netjets profits should be rolled into Netjets employees quality of life...not Europe....Isn't it amazing that the employees of U.S. companies cry buy American...Right up to the point when those same employees ask for a reasonable raise, while the company they are working for is buying european...

George Orwell had it right....We are all becoming ignnorant cogs in the wheels of corporations and Govt's....

 

[netjetwife]

Setting the record straight---

FamilyGuy and others who are repeating this rumor. The NJ pilots are NOT asking to DOUBLE wages for all of the pilots. Those LOWEST paid pilots--yes--but that just shows HOW FAR BELOW PAR their wages are. Others need a substantial pay increase to be compensated fairly; they haven't had a pay raise since 1998! However, not ALL of the NJ pilots would see their paychecks double. As others have pointed out, there are FAs at NJ making more than the pilots. That is so unacceptable as to be a non-argument. I cannot see the pilots agreeing to a wage scale that would continue that injustice. If that requires SOME of the salaries to be doubled, one must realize how easily the company was able to build NJ Europe on the backs of their American counterparts.

Furthermore, please stop the uninformed posts worrying about the doors being shut at Bridgeway. It doesn't stand up to the common sense test when one looks at the rapid expansion of NJ Inc. Buffett's priority was growth and that is exactly what they have done--at the expense of their employees. IF doors HAD (and I don't see it happening with all the assets they have) to be shut, the ones closed would be those that are NOT profitable. The NJ that is subsidizing others, MORE than pays its own way.

Quoting from the May 10th NY Times--"Last year, NetJets accounted for 70 percent of the dollar value of new business generated by fractional jet ownership programs." Last year when the failed TA came out, I was saying that IT IS NOT A MATTER OF CAN'T. IT IS A MATTER OF WON'T! Everyone that looks, will see that the money IS DEFINITELY there. And yes, to an international company like NJ Inc (remember that NJ America is just a small part of a much larger corporation) $120 million really IS relatively few dollars.