Netjets Announces Aircraft Order

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NJASAP Air Charters

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[DC-4]

Listen, I have moved on I have made the difficult choices with may family and we are all better for it. My problem is that what is being told to us is not what is being told the the active line pilots. The other problem I have with the current union is that except BW nobody has spent any time for the furloughed. I agree what are they going to do, however then why is it that BW spends so much time trying to help us. In 2.5 years Luthi has yet to post one time on the furloughed side. I agree with you that I think NJA has sailed with respect to me. However I think the active guys should be getting this same information we are to prepare for there ship to sail too. 500 pilots was stated hypothetical however stated none the less and if what was it 300- 400 can go right now, or 200-300 I forget. But the point is all is not well and the ship is sinking, if I were an active guy I sure would be happy someone would spend the time to post what union officials were saying somewere else but not to us so I could make some decisions. I am not trying to start an argument at all just pointing out what is being said. But to your point I have moved on and doubt I will ever be back and I am 19 from recall right now. Sad but true, your right on that.

 

[Xcorporate]

DC-4 is making some great points. We have one guy from NJASAP who is giving us information with respect and dignity. Sometimes it's not what we want to hear but the message always comes with a professional air. Unfortunately we have a union volunteer that is pompous and belittling in every post. Whenever a question is raised that can't be justified, the party line is abrupt, and very aggressive.

I too have moved on, but something is at play with these guys and it involves villainizing the the furloughed group. The president of our union won't even address us other than to say until a recall is imminent he has nothing to say to us. Can't help but think we are being fleeced.

I do hope NJA regains, retains, or captures market share and everybody on property gets to keep what they have. Hopefully it's not at the expense of the 500 guys that have been shut out.....

 

[BentOver]

Something is definitely up... All of a sudden we get them to grace us with their presence...Strange timing isn't it? Right after a huge order (no matter what it is positive for NJA), and during the election drumming they got.

JH lost his re-election, and lost badly. Along with a couple other Luthi cronies.. I think JH is pissed and blowing off some steam and we get to hear the BS and really ridiculuous thoughts about why we didn't check a box.

As for RF, he has always come across as pompous...

 

[Grizz]

Hopefully when the new E Board takes over, RF will be history as a spokesperson for anything.

 

[NJAowner]

A few quick notes to clarify things:

1. I do not consider EJM as "brabded charter;

2. Not all "branded" charter will eb the same.

3. I was one of the bioggest "kool aid" drinkers int he past -- look at old posts -- but the NJA of 2012 is a far cry form the NJA of 2007. Except from pilots, overall owner satisfaction is down, recovery time is horrbile, and NJA will seriously delay flights if needed. The "bean counters" have deciddd it is cheaper to give owners an hour or 2 redit for a delay than get a larger or further away recovery jet in place (Old NJA would never have allowed this).

4. NJA is not the only "safe private availation alternative", and in fact I believe that most NJA pilots knowing violate a portion of the Part 135 regs on a daily basis for their own comfort.

 

[snoopy14]

4. NJA is not the only "safe private availation alternative", and in fact I believe that most NJA pilots knowing violate a portion of the Part 135 regs on a daily basis for their own comfort.[/QUOTE]


If your referring to the O2 requirement I'll have to disagree. NJ pilots wear them more than any company I have worked for. In fact the other companies I worked for it was widely accepted as the "most abused reg in the industry". I'm still waiting for one level of safety when it comes to this issue. Why is it safe for part 121 and 91k yet 135 it suddenly becomes unsafe? BS! It will never happen so we will continue to sacrifice our comfort for all of the card holders.

I guess the problem I have with your assessment was your use of the words "most pilot". I'm seeing the opposite on the road.

 

[brokeflyer]

4. NJA is not the only "safe private availation alternative", and in fact I believe that most NJA pilots knowing violate a portion of the Part 135 regs on a daily basis for their own comfort.

call the company and give them the crew's names'. that will fix it.

 

[Downwind]

4. NJA is not the only "safe private availation alternative", and in fact I believe that most NJA pilots knowing violate a portion of the Part 135 regs on a daily basis for their own comfort.

If your referring to the O2 requirement I'll have to disagree. NJ pilots wear them more than any company I have worked for. In fact the other companies I worked for it was widely accepted as the "most abused reg in the industry". I'm still waiting for one level of safety when it comes to this issue. Why is it safe for part 121 and 91k yet 135 it suddenly becomes unsafe? BS! It will never happen so we will continue to sacrifice our comfort for all of the card holders.

I guess the problem I have with your assessment was your use of the words "most pilot". I'm seeing the opposite on the road.[/QUOTE]

I believe because a B767 takes a little longer to depressurize than a LR31.

 

[Willy21]

I guess an aircraft flying a 91/91k flight takes longer to depressurize than the same aircraft flying a 135 flight?

 

[NJAowner]

With all of the talk about NJA being "by far the safest", I just thought I would raise the point. I am not stating an opinion as to whther the rule makes sense - especially when compared to other rules. But when many posters say NJA is the sfaest and they follow all the rules and others don't, I beg to differ. I also agree that it is not a widely followed rule.

Based soley on my experiences, which include about 16 years of flying hundred of flights with Netjets, I never once heard or saw the O2 mask on a NetJets pilots until recently. I happened to start noticing them frequently on the flights of competitors and asked why -- I thought they were only needed about FL410, and I was informed that for Pt 135 they are required on and in use (not just dangling) above FL350.

I repeat - I am not saying the rule makes sense, I am not saying the mask is comfortable -- all I am saying is that NJA pilots, and others, subjectively decide not to follow all regs. But it seems to be some of the NJA pilots who bash the others for not being perfect reg followers. And no I do not tattle on you --I do understand they are real uncomfortable.

BTW -- recent had a flight coming up form the Caribbean ona Citation X -- 3+ hours st FL430 and not a mask on a body -- just hanging up in the cockpit. Part 135 flight.

Yes -- I do travel over 55 mph on rodes -- quite often. It is my subjective decision. But -- I do not go around saying I am so superior than others in following the traffic laws.

 

[Downwind]

With all of the talk about NJA being "by far the safest", I just thought I would raise the point. I am not stating an opinion as to whther the rule makes sense - especially when compared to other rules. But when many posters say NJA is the sfaest and they follow all the rules and others don't, I beg to differ. I also agree that it is not a widely followed rule.

Based soley on my experiences, which include about 16 years of flying hundred of flights with Netjets, I never once heard or saw the O2 mask on a NetJets pilots until recently. I happened to start noticing them frequently on the flights of competitors and asked why -- I thought they were only needed about FL410, and I was informed that for Pt 135 they are required on and in use (not just dangling) above FL350.

I repeat - I am not saying the rule makes sense, I am not saying the mask is comfortable -- all I am saying is that NJA pilots, and others, subjectively decide not to follow all regs. But it seems to be some of the NJA pilots who bash the others for not being perfect reg followers. And no I do not tattle on you --I do understand they are real uncomfortable.

BTW -- recent had a flight coming up form the Caribbean ona Citation X -- 3+ hours st FL430 and not a mask on a body -- just hanging up in the cockpit. Part 135 flight.

Yes -- I do travel over 55 mph on rodes -- quite often. It is my subjective decision. But -- I do not go around saying I am so superior than others in following the traffic laws.

In my two years of working at NJA I never had a flight where one us didn't have the mask on above FL350 on a 135. In my many years of charter I never saw the mask donned. Ever.

Apparently your mileage varies.

 

[brokeflyer]

agreed...same here. Netjets IS the safest aircraft operation in the world. They have the best pilots

 

[SCT]

Has NJ ever had a hull loss?

 

[Downwind]

They have the best pilots

And the best looking. With the biggest ..... too!