Net Jets

[falcon20driver]

A day in the life?:

Day 1: Show 0800, airline to airplane, fly two legs, go to hotel, Embassy Suites or the like. Duty time 13hrs.

Day 2: Show at legal (10hrs of rest), fly 4 or 5 legs (all Eastbound), Arrive in TEB, Go to Crown Plaza. Duty time 13hrs.

Day 3: Show at legal, fly 4 or 5 legs (NY to FL), go to hotel. Duty time 13 hours. Captain begs for later show - approved to show in 11.5 hrs.

Are you saying that you get to the hotel at 2200, call dispatch and they can tell you to show at the plane 10 hours later? That means you will have a hard time getting anywhere near 8 hours of sleep?

I fly on-demand freight and can't be called until after 10 complete hours of rest.

 

[ce750drvr]

Are you saying that you get to the hotel at 2200, call dispatch and they can tell you to show at the plane 10 hours later? That means you will have a hard time getting anywhere near 8 hours of sleep?

I fly on-demand freight and can't be called until after 10 complete hours of rest.

That is what it means. Sucks ass. But I never do a 10 hour turn. I make sure the FO and I are completely rested before we walk out of the hotel. If not, we don't go.

 

[On Your Six]

Just got out of Company recurrent last week.

New numbers on hiring are targeted (just increased) for 450 for the year (I think), and they have hired 240 so far as of August.

Training: expect from start to "on the line" about two months, give or take a couple of weeks.


A day in the life?:

Day 1: Show 0800, airline to airplane, fly two legs, go to hotel, Embassy Suites or the like. Duty time 13hrs.

Day 2: Show at legal (10hrs of rest), fly 4 or 5 legs (all Eastbound), Arrive in TEB, Go to Crown Plaza. Duty time 13hrs.

Day 3: Show at legal, fly 4 or 5 legs (NY to FL), go to hotel. Duty time 13 hours. Captain begs for later show - approved to show in 11.5 hrs.

Day 4: Plane found broken! Woo Hoo. 5 hours at FBO. Taxi (from hell) to new plane. Ferry to TEB. Go to hotel.

Day 5: Show at legal . . . get the picture? Keep going for 6 to 7 days!

Assume every other leg is pax leg - lots of bags, very messy. And very hot in the Ultra without an APU. Not complaining mind you - just not the regular corporate job, so leave your golf clubs at home - you won't be needing them!

Your first two week take-home paycheck should be around $600. It increases as soon as you get on Captain's pay or bypass pay. Then you will get $900 or so. After three years on Captain's pay you should hit $1500 every two weeks. You will log about 500 hours your first year depending on fleet.

Contract is where it was last year, as you remember the POS TA. Company (I think) needs a contract in place for the holidays - the numbers are already shot for 2005 (very bad year, starting with the holidays), and they will need to see pilot morale and productivity up for the holidays and next year. If it isn't amazing, then expect it voted down . . . I've waited this long, not willing to settle for crap.

Good luck. Kind of a crap shoot, you could get lucky and get in and have a good contract voted in - or walk into a pilot strike while on probation and get fired for not being a scab.

If you get the U-Boat, let me know and I'll hook you up with some gouge that I wish I had!

Yeah, this schedule seems like a nightmare from "Groundhog Day." But isn't it also true that your schedule can vary a bit based on fleet? I hear the Beechjunk, Hawker 800XP/C, G200 and Soveriegn (brand new addition) fleets are not as active while the Citation X, Ultra and Excel fleets are the workhorses - is that the case? Couldn't fleet type then impact schedule quite a bit?

I guess you would then want to avoid some of the more "active" fleets if you were given the choice...

 

[gordon24]

Just got out of Company recurrent last week.

New numbers on hiring are targeted (just increased) for 450 for the year (I think), and they have hired 240 so far as of August.

Training: expect from start to "on the line" about two months, give or take a couple of weeks.


A day in the life?:

Day 1: Show 0800, airline to airplane, fly two legs, go to hotel, Embassy Suites or the like. Duty time 13hrs.

Day 2: Show at legal (10hrs of rest), fly 4 or 5 legs (all Eastbound), Arrive in TEB, Go to Crown Plaza. Duty time 13hrs.

Day 3: Show at legal, fly 4 or 5 legs (NY to FL), go to hotel. Duty time 13 hours. Captain begs for later show - approved to show in 11.5 hrs.

Day 4: Plane found broken! Woo Hoo. 5 hours at FBO. Taxi (from hell) to new plane. Ferry to TEB. Go to hotel.

Day 5: Show at legal . . . get the picture? Keep going for 6 to 7 days!

So far, I count 3 trips to TEB where you can get rudys. What the heck are you b#$ching about! LOL!

 

[Mach92]

Yeah, this schedule seems like a nightmare from "Groundhog Day." But isn't it also true that your schedule can vary a bit based on fleet? I hear the Beechjunk, Hawker 800XP/C, G200 and Soveriegn (brand new addition) fleets are not as active while the Citation X, Ultra and Excel fleets are the workhorses - is that the case? Couldn't fleet type then impact schedule quite a bit?

I guess you would then want to avoid some of the more "active" fleets if you were given the choice...

Its very true. I am in the Citation X and we get ball pattled everyday. Its the nature of the beast. In the last 2 years I have NEVER not flown if I had a working plane. The X does not and will never sit. Problem is we have way to many X owners and not enough planes. We also can cover everything in NetJets fleet except a F-2000 or BBJ without asking the owner if its ok (contract thing for them) Also the X flys so many G-IV trips I stopped counting. Many G-IV and G-V owners "downgrade" to a X all the time in the lower 48.

The XL so I hear is not much better just shorter legs. Every fleet works hard just the X and XL are KING of the ball patteling

 

[NJAowner]

A contract thing?

We also can cover everything in NetJets fleet except a F-2000 or BBJ without asking the owner if its ok (contract thing for them).

Well it is not in my contracts -- three of them over the years. I am not in a DA-2000 nor a BBJ, and they can't give me a X without my permission. The X is usually acceptable (but doesn't have to be by the "contract") to anyone in a lesser plane (Hawkers, XL, Ultra, Encore, 400XP) but not those in a higher plane unless they are in a rush. Read your contract -- if you have one.

Fly safe.

 

[rubberducky]

Your first two week take-home paycheck should be around $600. It increases as soon as you get on Captain's pay or bypass pay. Then you will get $900 or so. After three years on Captain's pay you should hit $1500 every two weeks. You will log about 500 hours your first year depending on fleet.

How can it be 600/two weeks, is that with out per diem?

 

[Mach92]

We also can cover everything in NetJets fleet except a F-2000 or BBJ without asking the owner if its ok (contract thing for them).

Well it is not in my contracts -- three of them over the years. I am not in a DA-2000 nor a BBJ, and they can't give me a X without my permission. The X is usually acceptable (but doesn't have to be by the "contract") to anyone in a lesser plane (Hawkers, XL, Ultra, Encore, 400XP) but not those in a higher plane unless they are in a rush. Read your contract -- if you have one.

Fly safe.

It is what NetJets tells us. I don't read owner contracts.

 

[Vspeeds]

Curious how do folks survive, esp. FO's, with the current payscale?

Are you (copilotos) able to cover MORTGAGE, KID'S DAYCARE, CAR PMTS & etc. etc.? (or whatever expenses might come up)

 

[brewerdog]

airlinepilot pay says NJA FOs can expect $2260/month or 565 a week or 75 a day

pretty scary thought, per diem will add some but . . .

 

[Starman]

Brewdog - The number is closer to $521 a week before taxes and SS. It's been quite a while since I was on FO pay but $700 take home every two weeks wouldn't surprise me as a new hire.

Per diem is what it is. If you're moving the airplane a lot, you can probably get by with buying one meal a day on average. Maybe some guys can maximize it more than that but I prefer at least one meal a day that doesn't come in a plastic box. When you figure in occasionally going out on the road, I probably clear $10-15 a day in per diem. Not gonna get rich with that.

Best bet - wait until the contract is done and then apply. No sense in putting yourself through a bunch of needless pain.

 

[dsptchrnja]

Funny how the lowest possible FO salaries are always the topic of discussion yet I'm pretty sure the fewest amount of pilots actually make this pay.

Furthermore, interesting how folks would rather make NJA out to be the "bad guy" when they are the ones wanting and asking to increase FO salaries and the pilot union rejected this proposal. The proposal was made independent of current bargaining...free and clear. Can't have happy FO's now can we pilot union? That perceivingly might mess up what's in it for you wouldn't it?

Who's looking out for who?

 

[Schrode]

Let's see:

2260 x 12 = $27,120 per year

26 pay periods = $1,044 per pay period

Taxes = ($250)
401K = ($150)

Net take home pay every pay period = $644

I do not consider this pay, although some might. I consider this my food money for the week. Try eating 3 meals out on this amount of money - and you'll be hungry (or tired of Taco Bell).
per diem = $38.40 a day x 16 days a month =$614

Any way you slice it - it doesn't pay the mortage. I am LAX based, on 4th Year Captain pay and it still doesn't pay the mortage! Not yet at least - I am working on the problem though. 6S

 

[gordon24]

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[hydrarkt]

Funny how the lowest possible FO salaries are always the topic of discussion yet I'm pretty sure the fewest amount of pilots actually make this pay.

Furthermore, interesting how folks would rather make NJA out to be the "bad guy" when they are the ones wanting and asking to increase FO salaries and the pilot union rejected this proposal. The proposal was made independent of current bargaining...free and clear. Can't have happy FO's now can we pilot union? That perceivingly might mess up what's in it for you wouldn't it?

Who's looking out for who?

SHADDAP Moron!!! Nobody is asking for your idiotic company propoganda. He's asking legitimate questions about the job here. Keep your BS away!!!