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[Diesel]

are you friggin kidding me. The old mec wouldn't even know what a grievance is. Much less have any balls to enforce contract violations.

I'm getting 1800. niiiice.

ha ha haaaa. CMHtroll, Facfriend, you guys really look like idiots. haaaa

 

[El Chupacabra]

making more in grievances so far than would have with the POSTA!

 

[Diesel]

ain't that the truth.

I can't wait to see how cmhtroll, bb or fucfriend decide to spin this one. I'm sure it's going to be something like we are costing the company more money by enforcing the contract. We should really be letting the company use us and say that's great!

ha haaaaa what kind of spin are you going to put on this you losers?

 

[dsptchrnja]

Are you talking about the Class Action for the company hiring test pilots to get the plane out of the short field a/p?

 

[El Chupacabra]

Are you talking about the Class Action for the company hiring test pilots to get the plane out of the short field a/p?

No... thats to come

 

[Majik]

Are you talking about the Class Action for the company hiring test pilots to get the plane out of the short field a/p?

No, that's a different company violation. We're talking about the company agreeing to pay 5.5 million dollars to the pilot group for violating the show times for the period 2/17/05-3/11/05.
My check will be for about $2,000
I've made more this year in OT (that I wouldn't have gotten under the company proposal with no OT) and from the company violating the current contract (grievances) than I would have from the salary increase in the POSTA!

 

[Starman]

Wait until the 1.4 grievance hits the payroll. I'm betting it's going to be as much as a year's paycheck to most people. Get ready to start signing some serious checks RTS.

 

[FAcFriend]

Are you talking about the Class Action for the company hiring test pilots to get the plane out of the short field a/p?

This is a grievance filed by the union because the rules changed but the contract had not. The company was following the rules and had not gotten a LOA.

In the meantime....

The MEC refuses to hire a reputable auditing firm.
So the pilots sit in abeyance-
what is the MEC excuse this week? Starting to look like Dave Letterman's TOP TEN REASONS....

I figure after they play out- we want Woodbridge and Omaha-
next someone will get the flu-

 

[dsptchrnja]

Last I heard, on July 8th, the MEC indicated they were willing to employ the auditing firm... are you saying they are stalling or now going back on their original intent?

Either way, doesn't sound like they are very representative of the pilots they are supposed to be representing does it? hmmm.....or are they?

This MEC is not stupid, there's a reason they have a history of not wanting to know how much the company makes, because once it is shown, doubling crew salaries would be obviously frivolous. It is better for them to capitalize on the "appearance" of wealth and the personal wealth of WB.

 

[FAcFriend]

Last I heard, on July 8th, the MEC indicated they were willing to employ the auditing firm... are you saying they are stalling or now going back on their original intent?

It is now August 15th-
how long does it take to hire a reputable, national auditing firm?
10 seconds or thirty?

This MEC cant get the job done that they have promised.
That is why they are using rhetoric and well used union tactics to distract the pilots from the main mission-
They have everyone "very busy" on committees and those that express discontent are subject to public flogging.

Last spring they promised a "summer strike" now it is the winter....

Even here- I am called names-
4th grade bully tactics...or union 101.

 

[Diesel]

I love it two people who have nothing to do with negotiations continue to be "experts" and spew company memo's to the public.

Take the facts twist them and then blame the union.

The only ones that have control are us with the votes. We showed the last MEC we weren't satisfied with their work.

So far i'm very very satisfied with the current MEC. 1800 dollars satisfied so far. Looking forward to more.

 

[Lord Wakefield]

I've made more this year in OT (that I wouldn't have gotten under the company proposal with no OT) and from the company violating the current contract (grievances) than I would have from the salary increase in the POSTA!

DITTO!

And I could say the same if you exclude the OT and just add the grievance pay outs! I'll take this contract over the POSTA and signing bonus any day.

 

[Diesel]

Still no company spin. Nothing. Common guys are you still working out your reply? haaaaa

 

[Lord Wakefield]

Still no company spin. Nothing.

Does Bridgeway Bob still work here?

 

[Lord Wakefield]

making more in grievances so far than would have with the POSTA!

That includes the former FAB 5. They did pretty good in this settlement while the current MEC/Negotiators got zip. They were just too busy doing their job to benefit the way the rest did. GO ASAP!!!

 

[Fozzy]

It is now August 15th-
how long does it take to hire a reputable, national auditing firm?
10 seconds or thirty?

This MEC cant get the job done that they have promised.
That is why they are using rhetoric and well used union tactics to distract the pilots from the main mission-
They have everyone "very busy" on committees and those that express discontent are subject to public flogging.

Last spring they promised a "summer strike" now it is the winter....

Even here- I am called names-
4th grade bully tactics...or union 101.

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FracScum,
Shut your stinking pie hole. You and dispatcher need to get a clue. You keep slamming the Exec board and Local for not doing their job. Well I am here to tell you they are. I am getting $3000+ for the 3.13 grievance. Hummm two extra months of pay, and you say that they are not doing their job?!? Maybe they are not doing the job YOU (and dick head BB) would like.

No, they are doing a fantastic job. Methodical. Everything by the numbers. And I can see why that frustrates this company (you) that is morally bankrupt. They are doing it right. And that is driving you management TOOLS crazy.

But that is okay. I can deal with the multi thousand dollar settlements. I can wait, and wait, and wait (and out wait BB). So go on, keep spouting that crew ops propaganda. No one is buying.

Go on, give us that "find an accountant so we can agree on the books" bull$hit. Funny thing is NOBODY cares about that. NOBODY! Even if the money is not there (which is not true, but just for arguments sake), WE DON'T CARE. Find it. Raise fee's. Because if you do not, we will take this sucker down. And that is the truth from the 5%!



.....................Now where should I spend that extra two months pay that my "failure" of a Union just got me? HUMMMMMMM where to spend those thousands of dollars????

 

[FAcFriend]

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FracScum,
Shut your stinking pie hole. You and dispatcher need to get a clue. You keep slamming the Exec board and Local for not doing their job. Well I am here to tell you they are. I am getting $3000+ for the 3.13 grievance. Hummm two extra months of pay, and you say that they are not doing their job?!? Maybe they are not doing the job YOU (and dick head BB) would like.

No, they are doing a fantastic job. Methodical. Everything by the numbers. And I can see why that frustrates this company (you) that is morally bankrupt. They are doing it right. And that is driving you management TOOLS crazy.

But that is okay. I can deal with the multi thousand dollar settlements. I can wait, and wait, and wait (and out wait BB). So go on, keep spouting that crew ops propaganda. No one is buying.

Go on, give us that "find an accountant so we can agree on the books" bull$hit. Funny thing is NOBODY cares about that. NOBODY! Even if the money is not there (which is not true, but just for arguments sake), WE DON'T CARE. Find it. Raise fee's. Because if you do not, we will take this sucker down. And that is the truth from the 5%!



.....................Now where should I spend that extra two months pay that my "failure" of a Union just got me? HUMMMMMMM where to spend those thousands of dollars????

1st...i see we are back to 4th grade name calling tactics..or union 101..if I dont like what you say-- I will just publically flog you.

After you "take this sucker down." 2 months pay wont mean much- thats 8 weeks....you want to bank your job security on 8 weeks?

The numbers may not matter to you....but there are plenty of pilots and others who would rather not be unemployed - You know, the pilots are only PART of the net jets equation...only PART of what makes the engine run- lets see where would we be without...hmmm SALES? So take it down..and spend your 8 weeks pay on rent.

 

[Some Dude]

Hey Fozzy, I'm getting a nice settlement check from the company too. FAgFriend, you don't know anything but keep posting your rants are funny to read.

 

[Fozzy]

I would love to publicly flog you. How about on the ramp in CMH?

Name calling, well I call it like I see it. You are a company TOOL. Spouting company propaganda.

As far as 8 weeks, last time I checked unemployment lasts a lot longer than that. What most non-pilots at NJA seem to ignore is the fact these customers are not going to start flying the airlines. They will just move on. And so will the jobs. Maybe tough for a time, but I will get along just fine. But one thing that will not move along is all the NJA experience BS. No those jobs will be lost. So I am not to scared about all that. But I am sure upper managements is.

Now did I see you mentioning sales?!? Are you actually trying to blame the group with the highest customer praise with falling sales. No sir, you need to look at OS and BB's bright idea of selling the core fleet along with selling way to many Marquis cards. Sorry, go back to crewops.netjets.com and find something else to come at me with.

And when you do, I along with the other evil 5% will be here waiting.

Good night.

 

[Fozzy]

Dude,

Three thousand bucks! Ya baby, yaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

I bet we won't hear about that 5 million dollar loss at the next BH share holders meeting.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Please don't feed the Trolls.

Looks like they want to see if there be any discontent with the MEC.

"Tell your MEC to show you the money."


BRRRRAAAHAHHAHHA AHHA HAH HAHA...

You just made IBC Root Beer come out of my nose.

 

[squonk]

The beauty is the class actions may not be over! More money and the holidays are looming!

 

[CE750Driver]

Between personal grievances and what the union has gotten me, I have gotten over $7000 this year, because the company cant follow the current contract. The excel out of the short field and many more to come. Hehehehehehehe. Thats more than the pay raise they offered in that POS TA.

 

[Lord Wakefield]

Thats more than the pay raise they offered in that POS TA.

And we still have SCOPE...

 

[FL450]

we all know what that was really about-
nothing more than the old mec would have done.

Ya might want to reconsider that one-ye of little knowledge. Grievances on 3.13 were nothing new. In fact, they've been filed since this CBA was voted in. However, not until this summer was it ever fought hard up to the SBA level and a new standard set. This led the way to the 3.13 Class Action grievance, which, by the way, deadlocked at SBA and was actually settled prior to Arbitration. The company was eager to settle.

Over 5 million dollars. That's more money than the whole grievance process has produced since EJA was first unionized. That's a Fac, Friend!

 

[FL450]

This is a grievance filed by the union because the rules changed but the contract had not. The company was following the rules and had not gotten a LOA.

In the meantime....

The MEC refuses to hire a reputable auditing firm.
So the pilots sit in abeyance-
what is the MEC excuse this week? Starting to look like Dave Letterman's TOP TEN REASONS....

I figure after they play out- we want Woodbridge and Omaha-
next someone will get the flu-

No, not quite. This is a grievance filed because the contract states that all flying will be done by pilots on the NJA seniority list. Same contract-nothing changed. Problem is, we don't have any Cessna pilots on our seniority list. SBA awarded that payoff. SBA is 2 Union members and 2 company members. They even voted against themselves. Better than a 55K payout. That's how blatant the violation is!

That was recently followed by 21 more Class Action grievances over similar situations. I suspect they will have similar results. You see, contract violations are becoming expensive. They violate, they pay. Pretty simple concept.

As for abeyance, we're meeting more now with the company than we ever did with the mediator. How do you figure that, Frac Muncher?

 

[dsptchrnja]

That was recently followed by 21 more Class Action grievances over similar situations. I suspect they will have similar results. You see, contract violations are becoming expensive. They violate, they pay. Pretty simple concept.

Why would you think that they will have similiar results? From the grievances filed in the last half of the year (I am not aware of grievances much past this) about 90% of all of them were found baseless and thrown out.

SBA is 2 Union members and 2 company members. They even voted against themselves. Better than a 55K payout. That's how blatant the violation is!

The SBA is a just system. The 2 company members aren't exactly voting against themselves or the company, they are there to enforce existing contractual disputes fairly. Awarding the grievance to the "Plantiff" does nothing to suggest how blatent the fault was, it only suggest the "defendant" did not follow the contract. Blatent implies intent.

 

[FL450]

Why would you think that they will have similiar results? From the grievances filed in the last half of the year (I am not aware of grievances much past this) about 90% of all of them were found baseless and thrown out.

They will have similar results because the violations are of the same nature. No NJA seniority listed pilot was on any of those flights. If the company denies these grievances, they will be sent to SBA. How can SBA rightly set precedent for one grievance and not give a similar decision for a similar violation? That would surely be a fishy one, would it not? Also, with such an SBA precedent previously set, it would help influence the arbitrator's decision.

Apparently you are not familiar with the grievance process, other than what you hear. Grievances are not thrown out, they are resolved. Could be in favor of the grievant, could be in favor of the company. Your 90% baseless figure is complete bunk. Sounds nice, but you are wrong. Ask MO or DB how many of those 2,000+ grievances are baseless. Ask them how many of the 27,000 3.13 violations audited were baseless. Why would the company pay 5m for baseless grievances?

Also, ask them how many of those grievances were Section 1 violations, which, by the way, are now heading for arbitration.



The SBA is a just system. The 2 company members aren't exactly voting against themselves or the company, they are there to enforce existing contractual disputes fairly. Awarding the grievance to the "Plantiff" does nothing to suggest how blatent the fault was, it only suggest the "defendant" did not follow the contract. Blatent implies intent.

If you were to read the SBA notes, you would read that it was a willing violation on the part of the company. It was a decision they knowingly made-contrary to the contract. It was, in fact, deliberate. How do you figure it wasn't blatant? How do you figure it wasn't a vote against the company when the decision cost the company 55k+ ?

You can say whatever you want about dispatch. I won't go there because I only deal with the receiving end. For the most part I am amazed at how much you folks do with how little support you seem to receive. I have no problems with your department. But you should get your facts straight about compliance first. Feel free to PM me if you have any other informational myths you need cleared up.

 

[squonk]

FL450 Posted:

That was recently followed by 21 more Class Action grievances over similar situations. I suspect they will have similar results. You see, contract violations are becoming expensive. They violate, they pay. Pretty simple concept.

Pretty simple concept that the company is now trying to come to grips with.

In the past the MO was push it and if they grieve it, well, we'll deal with it later. Some grieved, some did not. The did not block was what they were counting on.

Now that everyone is grieving as they should, the brain trust is finding out that it gets expensive...fast!

I just want to know. Is anyone being held accountable for this waste and this mindset?

 

[squonk]

dsptcherNJA said:

From the grievances filed in the last half of the year (I am not aware of grievances much past this) about 90% of all of them were found baseless and thrown out.

I would double check that statement if I were you. 90% seems just a tad high.

I can tell you I've had two settled in my favor this summer. So have most other pilots I've talked to.