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Well, as far as setting my priorities straight, as I said, I find liking your job and making a decent living to be almost equal, with liking your job being a little higher.

I like to design aircraft engines, and I like to fly aircraft. I just like both.

To tell you the truth, I would like flying better...but as it's so close to my love for designing aircraft engines, the benefits of an engineerign job attract me.

Though I would love to feel the power of jet engines when I push the throttle forward in a Lear 31...I really would love to fly those machines for a living...

ARcher
 
Hey Archer!

Your real name wouldn't be Newman, would it? :D

Ohhhh, I crack myself up sometimes! :p
 
The phone keeps ringing (and did during my first post) which distracts me and I loose my train of thought ,so my apologies for not getting my point across the first time.

Ok, now we know, without a doubt, that you are a female. You should have just written that to begin with. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
 
flx757 said:
Falcon Capt,

In that episode, Frank employs George and Lloyd Braun to compete with each other selling computers. Lloyd had once been "intitutionalized". At the end, he tells George and Frank "that 'serenity now' stuff doesn't work. How do you think I went crazy? Serenity now, insanity later." After Frank wonders what to do now, George offers "hoochie mama?" As Estelle drives her car into the garage occupied by Frank's computer business, he screams "HOOCHIE MAMA!!"

So, that's why the reference to it in my previous post.

Yeah I know, too much TV. :)

I REMEMBER NOW!

That was hilarious! I told you I am getting too old! How the mind twists things in old age! ;) :D :) :eek:
 
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Ponypilot said:

How boring for a young twentysomething to think life is about chasing the all mighty dollar, AND to think he has to make career descion now and stick with it for the rest of his life. The truth is there are untold numbers of people who decide late in life they want a new or different career. I'm sure these same people thought while they were in their 20's they were making a career choice they would live with for the rest of their lives. What I'm saying is it is OK to be in your 30's, 40's, or even 50's and decide hey you know what I need a change, I'm sick of crunching numbers, sick of sales etc. I even know a Dr. who at the age of 39 is giving up the ER and pursuing a career in flying.


I agree.
 
My 2 Cents Worth

Archer,

I certainly don't fault you for doing your research prior to making a decision. The decisions you make early in life can have a huge impact on your remaining days on Earth. Many decisions can be altered later in life; many cannot.

However, there is only One who knows what the future holds, and it isn't any of us. Sometimes we simply must make decisions based on the best wisdom we can muster up, knowing that circumstances will change, people will change, we will change, industries will change...and so on.

Looking back on my career, I can see where God placed me in certain circumstances and allowed me to make some good and bad decisions to bring me to where I am now. My career isn't what I thought it would be.....but I've never been happier.
 
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Ponypilot said:
It is clear you are not getting the point.

I even know a Dr. who at the age of 39 is giving up the ER and pursuing a career in flying.

I hope he did his homework. If not, he might be in for a gigantic disappointment. A person must really have a passion for flying in order to manage the ups & downs of this business.
 
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LOL

I like everyones since of humor.;)

Believe me I wish I did not have to answer this phone, people ask the stupidest questions. Thank god Friday is my last day here.


As for being compared to a homosexual male.......hmmm

I like men, cooking, fine wine, Versace and decorating shows.......so I can see how you could get confused.


And FalconCapt. (spelling? sorry) was it you who said you have a stay at home wife and lovely daughter? Good for you. When your daughter grows up to be President or finds a cure for cancer I know I will be glad she came from a stable home.

Cheers all:cool:
 
And FalconCapt. (spelling? sorry) was it you who said you have a stay at home wife and lovely daughter? Good for you. When your daughter grows up to be President or finds a cure for cancer

President? Curing cancer? I bet Falcon Capt has his daughter shooting approaches to mins in FS2002. He's planning on starting partial panel work once she turns 5.

"What? You didn't start time at the FAF? That's it, GO TO YOUR ROOM!" :D :D
 
750driver,

Yes, we quized him pretty good and made sure he knew a first year FO would only make between 18k-22k. He was just tired of patients coming into the ER and wanting to tell him how to treat their ailment as well as what meds they thought they needed. Can't knock someone for wanting to pursue a dream.

Archer,

Don't assume that because a person does not make a fortune that they cannot be happy, or that their kids will not get a good education.
 
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Ponypilot said:
And FalconCapt. (spelling? sorry) was it you who said you have a stay at home wife and lovely daughter? Good for you. When your daughter grows up to be President or finds a cure for cancer I know I will be glad she came from a stable home.

PonyPilot... My daughter can be anything she wants to be... That is why I am already investing heavily into a college fund for her... So when she gets that full ride scholarship, I can retire at 49 on her college fund!

She's a smart kid (from Dad ;) ), and full of attitude! (She MUST get that from her mother! :D ) She will excel in whatever she decides to do... I won't push her into aviation, but if she chooses that, I will back her up 110%...

BigD said:
President? Curing cancer? I bet Falcon Capt has his daughter shooting approaches to mins in FS2002. He's planning on starting partial panel work once she turns 5.

"What? You didn't start time at the FAF? That's it, GO TO YOUR ROOM!"

HEY!!!! Have you been looking in my windows?!?!?!?! :D ;)
 
Archer,

Observe the thick skin and good natured sense of humor of PonyPilot. Did you ever notice in grade school that the only ones who got picked on were the ones that gave the most dramatic reaction to being picked on?

Best of luck Newman.
 
HEY!!!! Have you been looking in my windows?!?!?!?!

Maybe BigD thinks if he hangs around your house enough you'll make him an FO in the Falcon. With things as tough as they are, you can'tblame him for trying. Lol.
 
fl350

I'm blushing. That is the nicest thing anyone on here has ever said to me.


(And I know I'm setting myself up with that reply.);)
 
FlyChicaga said:
So bigD is doing this two? Was that you in the bushes next to me? I thought I smelled Salt Lick. Only kidding! ;) No Falcons for me... I'm holding out for a Bombardier Aerospace Global Express, because what a fine machine that is!!! Is he here yet?

:p

And to think I was just going to ask you if you would like an F/O position with our company... But seeing as we have no Global Expresses I can already tell the answer would be no...

HHmmm... Is BigD around, I think HE likes Falcons!?!?
 
D*mn,

So you guys are having fun at Falcon D's house, while I'm sitting in the ''bar'' with Archer, drinking a coke :D and watching a mu2 take off??

Sh*t!

g'day!
 
(D = C, must be the pepsi:D )

g'day!
 
I am a friend of Flying dutchman, writing this under his name.
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I have been an engineer for 25 years, and my advice to Archer is consider something else than engineering (I don't know anything about flying, but reading the general thread this seems not a good option either).

Perhaps actor--especially in drama--might be something for you.

Mr G.
 
MR G,

ROFLMAO:D
 
md8pilot, thank you for the most helpful and civil reply I got in this thread up to now.

I was beginning to think that there were no sensible pilots left the US.

I'll make my decision in the near future, and I'll let you know how life is in 5 years.

I'll either be telling you how life sucks getting 23 grand a year flying piston aircraft in near-suicidal IMC weather every night in a company with crappy people, hoping to get to fly a Lear jet one day...

or maybe I'll be flying Baron 58s for a nice corporate company, with nice people, decent pay, with decent work hours/schedule...with a good prospect of upgrade to turbine aircraft...

or I'll be an engineer somewhere working on air/spacecraft engines and wondering how my life would have been if I had chosen to go the professional pilot way...flying no the side...as a private pilot...wishing I could fly the Lears I would see takign off in front of me...

Archer
 
HHmmm... Is BigD around, I think HE likes Falcons!?!?

Yes. YES! I looooove Falcons! Just keep reminding yourself of that while I gradually work my way up to your 5000 hour minimums!! :p

Sorry I bailed on the conversation - work got out early, and noticed that the winds were 24G37, so I headed out to the airport to practice! It's like skiing black diamonds - the slopes are almost empty and you have tons of room! I'm so used to struggling to get a word in on CTAF....today it was so quiet, I kept thinking my radios weren't working.

Archer - I'm not sure if you're gonna find many corporate departments flying 58's....charter maybe, or Part 91...
 
Archer said:
md8pilot, thank you for the most helpful and civil reply I got in this thread up to now.

I was beginning to think that there were no sensible pilots left the US.

I'll make my decision in the near future, and I'll let you know how life is in 5 years.

I'll either be telling you how life sucks getting 23 grand a year flying piston aircraft in near-suicidal IMC weather every night in a company with crappy people, hoping to get to fly a Lear jet one day...

or maybe I'll be flying Baron 58s for a nice corporate company, with nice people, decent pay, with decent work hours/schedule...with a good prospect of upgrade to turbine aircraft...

or I'll be an engineer somewhere working on air/spacecraft engines and wondering how my life would have been if I had chosen to go the professional pilot way...flying no the side...as a private pilot...wishing I could fly the Lears I would see takign off in front of me...

First of all, why would you make a comment about the sensibility of anyone on here. 90% of the people on here are currently working in the industry and are a bit further along than you. They all seem to say the same thing, so maybe, just maybe, they're right about you. It takes a lack of sense to make comments such as you have made.

In five years you will likely be nowhere near a point in yor life where you can say how your career is looking. Maybe in 10.

This wonderful Baron job you mention, in reality, is going to be the first example you gave. Don't expect to live out your career and provide for your kids college education (as you so dilligently argued previoussly) flying a Baron.

"Near suicidal IMC" - What exactly is that. If you mean a pilot who is unsure of themselves and can't make decisions (such as yourself) flying around in low weather, than I agree, it's suicidal. Otherwise Actual IMC is part of the job and training/experience will see to it that it's nowhere near suicidal.

I can only reiterate what everyone else has said: You will never have all the answers, and you need to become more decisive. Collect the fats you have, and make a decision. At this point your pretty far away from a career in aviation, not only in your training but in your attitude. Focus on your ratings and your academics. You may want the exact opposite out of life in a few years, concentrate on your training right now.

And stop remarking about all the poor attitudes on this board. If your maturity was a little more in tune with theirs, you would see they're are a lot of great people with a lot of life experience.
 
md8pilot, thank you for the most helpful and civil reply I got in this thread up to now.
Actually, Archer, If you would read between the lines (and sometimes you don't even have to), you would see that many of these posts are helpful, if not absolutely civil. The point made by more than one person--and it's a good, valid, and useful point throughout life--is that at some point you've got to stop collecting more information and just make a decision.

You can only analyze a finite number of possibilities. There are infinitely more other possibilities that are going to lead you down different paths than you could have ever predicted. You can't analyze them all--they just happen, and you'll have to deal with them as they come. Sure, you want to look at the obvious possibilities, decide which seems the best, and go for it. That's only rational. But it seems that you are stuck in analysis and can't make that leap to action. Once you do, though, you might just find that things work out in ways that make any extensive prior analysis a waste of time.

I think you should read this thread, again, in a different light, and see if you can pull some more good advice out of it, because I think it's there. Good luck.
 
Archer,

dude, don't take this stuff too serieus.

The point is this: if you choose to become a pilot then you better be 2000% convinced about that that is really what you want.

Are you willing to e.g. go to Alaska or ND or whatever, to fly for a lousy cargo company for a pittance just to gain more hours in order to be able to have a shot at a better job later on, a job that may never materialize. Pretty much anybody on this bulletin board would be willing to take that chance to pursue their dream. But would you? Considering the current economic climate, there is a probalibty that you'll be flying a Piper Chieftain in 10 years, and nothing bigger, earning 25k/yr. I personnally would take that chance, but--again--would you?


So, think it thoroughly through before making drastic (financial) decisions.

Good luck!

g'day!
 
"Near suicidal IMC" - What exactly is that. If you mean a pilot who is unsure of themselves and can't make decisions (such as yourself) flying around in low weather, than I agree, it's suicidal. Otherwise Actual IMC is part of the job and training/experience will see to it that it's nowhere near suicidal.

I can only reiterate what everyone else has said: You will never have all the answers, and you need to become more decisive. Collect the fats you have, and make a decision. At this point your pretty far away from a career in aviation, not only in your training but in your attitude. Focus on your ratings and your academics. You may want the exact opposite out of life in a few years, concentrate on your training right now.

And stop remarking about all the poor attitudes on this board. If your maturity was a little more in tune with theirs, you would see they're are a lot of great people with a lot of life experience.

Deftone, by "near suicidal IMC", I mean the flight conditions that check airmen, overnight delivery flights etc have to deal with with small planes without the the nice toys that jet aircraft have. 210s and Piper Lances and Barons...yes they are very nice airplanes...but not for hard core IMC. I'm not speaking from experience, but from logic here. Places, which I would be interested in flying for, such as Airnet and Ram Air Freight...but which make my question the risks that pilots have to take in order to deliver a buch of bags or boxes at all costs by a certain time. Now, if you are going to come back at me with "that's what pilots do, and that's what you have to accept, because all pilots do so" don't. Because it's not hard to compare the safety of a Citation X and an old Piper Lancer in turbulence, icing, thuderstorms and IMC.

About your advice, thanx, I agree. I should concentrate on academics and flight ratings right now...but all I'm doing is getting information along the way...so that the day the decision time comes...i don't go into whatever, blindly.

And as for the attitudes of the people on this board, I'm trying to say, without offending anyone, that I didn't like many of them, how they easily made fun of me. I'm 20 years old, I'm not a kid. I'm studying rocket science, and most probably lived in more places, speak more languages, been exposed to more cultures, and seen more of the world than more than two thirds of you at least. So don't easily judge my maturity. My responses might have been squeezed out of me, as no one seems to be on my side. I've never liked the idea of making fun of somone. I never did, and never will. I think it degrades humans. It's like an insult to whoever you are making fun of. That's why I've been having trouble seeing how mature you all are.

Archer,

dude, don't take this stuff too serieus.

The point is this: if you choose to become a pilot then you better be 2000% convinced about that that is really what you want.

Are you willing to e.g. go to Alaska or ND or whatever, to fly for a lousy cargo company for a pittance just to gain more hours in order to be able to have a shot at a better job later on, a job that may never materialize. Pretty much anybody on this bulletin board would be willing to take that chance to pursue their dream. But would you? Considering the current economic climate, there is a probalibty that you'll be flying a Piper Chieftain in 10 years, and nothing bigger, earning 25k/yr. I personnally would take that chance, but--again--would you?


So, think it thoroughly through before making drastic (financial) decisions.

Good luck!

g'day!

Flyingdutchman, another helpful post.

I'm just trying to clear things up. There is a lot of experience and knoweldge in this community, and I don't want to throw it out of the window.

I understand that becoming a pilot seems to translate to (in today's market) accepting a miserable salary, accepting crappy schedules, high work loads, little benefits, possibly old equipment, no insurance of keeping your job, no promise of upgrade and promotion among other things.

Well...it seems extremely depressing then, to be a pilot. And yet, here an there, I hear of jobs offering 100,000 to CL604 Captains...or GIV Captains...etc...

so it seems there is hope, but almost a lifelong struggle to get there...going through instrcuing, crappy 135, crappy 91, back to crappy 135 back to crappy 91...intermediate 91...until you finally, after eons, end up getting what you want (maybe, if you are lucky).

So obviously I'm questioning whether I want to live such a miserable life. That's some pretty insane amount of love you got to have for flying...

and I got it...I just try to look right and left...for there is more than one path in life...

Archer
 
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Deftone, by "near suicidal IMC", I mean the flight conditions that check airmen, overnight delivery flights etc have to deal with with small planes without the the nice toys that jet aircraft have. 210s and Piper Lances and Barons...yes they are very nice airplanes...but not for hard core IMC. I'm not speaking from experience, but from logic here. Places, which I would be interested in flying for, such as Airnet and Ram Air Freight...but which make my question the risks that pilots have to take in order to deliver a buch of bags or boxes at all costs by a certain time. Now, if you are going to come back at me with "that's what pilots do, and that's what you have to accept, because all pilots do so" don't. Because it's not hard to compare the safety of a Citation X and an old Piper Lancer in turbulence, icing, thuderstorms and IMC.

Hmmm, well the airplane I fly, albeit a lot bigger than a Baron, is not necessarily any better. In fact the Baron is probably more nicely equipped. However I still wouldn't call it "near suicidal" when we're flying IMC, and weather is at mins. You'll hear stories from a lot of check haulers, but remember they can be slightly embelished. The fact is, if you know how to look at weather reports and avoid icing, than your not going to be in a "near suicidal" situation.

As far as your Citation X coment....it's apples and oranges to a degree. Yes, it's a more stable plane, with much better equipment, and a fantastic autopilot. Heck, you can have the airplane shoot the approach for you. However there is a lot more going on in that cockpit for the crew to worry about than there is in a light twin, so it's sort of a trade off. Danger often comes right from the pilot, not the airplane. 747's have gone down during an approach in IMC because of crew mis-communication, while 172's and Baron's were making it in.
 
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