More unprofessional AMR pilot behavior

[100LL... Again!]

a320driver-


Big, big, talk.


speedbird-

Severe discipline??? Please grow up and try to get over your insecurities.

Why do you feel so threatened?

 

[G4G5]

My guess is that he just got a couple of months off without pay. The company will push for more the union less BUT lets try to keep in mind that our naked buddies at SWA got their jobs back.

My observations:
1. He may have wanted the additional two monts off so that he could go back down to South America and finish the religious mission that he just came off of. For all I know he asked for a PLofA and was denied.

2. His name and seniority number are on the APA's web site. It appears that he is a fairly senior pilot (top 10%) so he knew what he was doing and what the ramifications would be. IMHO, with his sen# he may be close to retirement and this was his parting shot.

3. Or. He's just too stupid to be in the cockpit and they should fire his as

 

[Mad Dog 80]

"SEVERE DISCIPLINE" - Some Aviators these days make me hate what I do. To know there are people in this proffession with this type of attitude. It's bad enough to have the FAA trying to pull your ticket now you have to worry about your own co-workers trying to get you "severe discipline".


Brotherhood in Aviation is Dead

 

[canyonblue]

Last week on my BUR-LAS flight I asked if all the strippers on board would please raise their hand.

 

[G4G5]

Last week on my BUR-LAS flight I asked if all the strippers on board would please raise their hand.

Amen Brother

 

[Mad Dog 80]

SOUTHWEST AIRLINES A TRUE PLACE OF AVIATOR BROTHERHOOD. I HOPE TO BE THERE SOMEDAY>>>>

 

[Swerpipe]

Ha Ha canyonblue

Canyonblue,

That was great! By the way, was that improper? What if you just wanted to convert them to Jesus?
Can't believe there are any strippers on the OAK-LAS or BUR-LAS or LAX-LAS or SNA-LAS, that's impossible.

 

[speedbird1974]

Mad Dog 80

How would you feel if someone tries to push you into believing a religion you dint believe. Imagine someone trying to convert you to Islam or a captain saying that there is no god, no heaven, no nothing. Would you feel offended?
Its not the captain job to convert people to his religion. His job is to fly the plane.
Nobody deserves severe punishment, you are right, but he shouldnt be able to get away from this that easy neither.

 

[Falconjet]

Nut case?

I personally would be a little worried about the mental state of this Captain. Regardless of your personal beliefs, wouldn't you wonder about this guy if you were flying with him.

I flew with a guy a while back who used to brief that if the apocalypse came while we were flying than I had the controls. Now I'm gald that he was a Christian and I hoped to be there with him, but I certainly questioned the guy's sanity for briefing that sort of thing. Imagine the faith that must have instilled in the rest of the crew in the back also. What kind of nut do we have flying us around today? Certainly doesn't give yo the warm and fuzzy flying with somebody dragging that kind of baggage inside their head.

I don't know what type of punishment might be appropriate, but perhaps it is time for that Captain to retire and find another line of work where he can preach the gospel to folks who want to hear it.

FJ

 

[WhiteCloud]

Why all the annoyance and hatred toward this pilot? Of course the cockpit of an airliner is not the place to overtly preach to the public and his remarks were probably inappropriate BUT why are we going for his jugular and suggesting he be fired over something like that? We gave a bigger break on this board to the Virgin (no pun intended) pilot who was accused of showing up drunk by the TSA. Why is the mention of religion such a hot topic for those who profess no religious belief?

 

[crashpad]

Why all the annoyance and hatred toward this pilot?

I'll tell you why! Our industry suffered enough from 9/11 and we could have prevented it! We've seen too many times what religious fanatics will do! This guy is a religious fanatic.
We don't need this breach when it can be prevented.

I flew with a guy who believed he could heal people by the laying of hands... I thought twice about the pulled groin muscle which had been bothering me the past week.

 

[eddie]

It would've been my luck that I'd be in seat 12d, between two folks that took the captain seriously!

That would have been a LONG 5 hours.

In that case I would prefer to be "witnessed" to by Muslims, Buddhists, or Hindus. At least I'd be learning something new!

 

[TWA Dude]

Why is the mention of religion such a hot topic for those who profess no religious belief?

As a member of the religious majority of this country it's only natural that you can't comprehend the seriousness of this captain inappropriately using the cockpit as his pulpit. If you can, step into someone else's shoes and know how it is to be surrounded by people who believe differently than you. Know how history has proven that different beliefs sometimes leads to persecution, torture and death. I'm not being melodramatic either. If we forget the past we are doomed to repeat it. This captain practically created a mob mentality while he deliberately embarassed those who don't share his religious beliefs.

Of course this isn't as serious as showing up drunk but so what? Most pilots have enough sense to not do what this guy did. It isn't so much about religion as it is about appropriate conduct for a person in a position of authority and responsibility. He abused that authority and punishment is warranted.

Dude

 

[vc10]

A captain is in a position of authority. That authority is real. For instance, if a captain believes that a passenger has acted unacceptably, the captain has the ability to radio ahead and have the passenger arrested on arrival. That is real power.

That being the case, the captain has a moral obligation to treat all passengers equally. If the captain starts the flight by making it clear that s/he regards being a christian as better, that's a big problem. 9/11 happened because one group of people thought their version of their religion was better. We just don't want to go there---that's something our founding fathers determined. It's unAmerican to say that your religious beliefs are better than another's.

Another obnoxious attitude is that one pilot should give another pilot a free pass on these issues because of "brotherhood". When one pilot does something wrong, s/he damages the reputation of all pilots. Why should a pilot's "brothers" let this go?

 

[Dennis Miller]

This reminds me of years ago when 7-11 bowed to pressure from the "Moral Majority" and removed Playboy and Penthouse from their news racks. I can understand that forcing a certain type of literature upon someone could be deemed offensive. It would be like say, oh I don't know, putting the Bible in everyone's Hotel room.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Ahhh, The flightinfo message board! It's Lord Of the Flies baby! The Cyber jungle.... only the strong zeros and ones survive!! Judge, jury and executioners we are! The he11 with democracy.

Forget his side of the story or any opportunity to self correct. I mean when I screw up (cause I am only human, no ones and zeros for me!) I want everyone to crucify..oops sorry folks I didn't mean to get christian on ya!. I mean I want everyone to impale ..damm it... those stupid crusades... I mean I want everyone to.... hmmm now let's see here what is a non religious way to kill someone. A government way? A firing squad? no too communist. Torture? No to dictator like......

Anyway, just do away with me cause that is what you want to happen to you when you make a mistake..right? Right?

If the guy insists on being a traveling Jim Baker then spank him...hard. Until then, switch to right guard, you wussies. Your 'strong enough for a man but made for woman' spunk is wearing me out.

Look in the mirror.

 

[SLOTH]

Besides, they bought their tickets with money that says, "In God We Trust."

I would think that it said Visa or Master Card, etc. In any case which denomination is that god in "In God We Trust." anyway? Last time I checked just about every religion had a god of some form or type. Bottom line is that the guy had no business saying what he did over the P/A!

Now lets discuss something a little less inflamatory like... politics?

Sloth

 

[SammyG]

Interesting discussion here. I have a few comments.

1.) What this Captain did was completely innapropriate. Reason being....I believe... a key part of effectively telling people about your faith is being smart about it, and thinking before you act. Having an airline Captain, whose job is to fly the plane, and having him put the believers AND the non-believers on the spot like he did, is not going to make the non-believers very receptive. I don't understand how an intelligent many like him could not have realized the reprucssions of what he was doing before he did it....how he could not know that the reactions of all the non-believers was likely to be, "Why is this guy pointing me out? I just want to sleep on the plane. It's not his job to preach to me."

2.) Being a believer myself, my personal choice of methods to spread the Word is by showing His love through example, simply through the way I live my life. Through example you make people want to have what you have, not by pounding them over the head with a Bible. This also means thinking before you witness. Telling people about the Lord is very tricky this day and age. This dosen't mean be ashamed and keep quiet..it just means you have to pray for wisdom, that you'll find the right opportunity to tell people. There really is a VERY fine line between "wittnessing" and "pushing"..and I find that in being a Christian, this is one of the most challenging things to learn. One could spend a lifetime learning this.

 

[100LL... Again!]

TWAdude and crashpad-


Please, please, spare us your hand-wringing "concern" over how "dangerous" this appears to you. It must be awful to live your lives in such fear of Christians.

Oh, by the way... BOO!

 

[Ty Webb]

Pushing your particular brand of religion on a captive audience . . and using the PA to do it?

Incredibly bad form, bad judgement, and I'd give him a few weeks on the beach to "Pray about it".