More unprofessional AMR pilot behavior

[TWA Dude]

The brotherhood means pilots wishing the best for their fellow piots. How will you feel if you made a mistake and you were "SEVERLY" disceplined by the Company? If the tables were to change I am sure you wouldn't be saying that.

You're joking, right? Or maybe you really are that clueless. If I were on that flight I'd have feared for my life. That guy certainly didn't wish anyone well but for himself because if he did he wouldn't have purposely isolated and stigmatized the non-Christians on board his flight. I'd like to see you be a religious minority and have some whacko captain segregate you from the majority and see how you feel.
He didn't make any mistake; he did it on purpose.

Dude

 

[100LL... Again!]

For a moment, assume this situation was hypothetical, since we weren't there.

As a VERY conservative Christian, I feel that proselytizing on company time and in uniform is inappropriate.

(1) It is unfair to the company - they should not be subject to the customer service ramifications of an 'incident' such as this.

(2) It is unfair to any person who might feel trapped by a public display of a very personal issue.

Putting people on the spot doesn't accomplish much.

Speaking about your faith should be done on our own time, and only to someone who wants to hear it. If someonedoesn't want to talk about God, I am more than happy to accomodate them.

Why would I want to discuss a personal issue with someone who is not interested.

As a Christian, I would have been bothered, but not especially offended if I was in this kind of situation as a pax.

Most of the time I do not want to discuss other people's relgion, politics, or sexuality. Unless of course, they are stupid enough to post it on a public message board, in which case, open fire!


Do I think that Company Policy shold prohibit this type of speech in this ype of situation? YES.

Do I think that state/federalCompany Policy shold prohibit this type of speech in this type of situation? NO.

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RESISTANCE-

Nice try at flame bait with the hitler reference.

You're going to have to much more clever next time.

Try watching more Dennis Miller or Conan -they have the witty comeback down pat. Back to School for you!

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Ty Webb-

Your hostility is really tiring. I assume you are part of the 'tolerant left'?

Your use of the word 'crap' is pretty jugemental. Diverity, mn, diversity.

Oh yeah, maturity is alway good, too.

 

[Trash8Mofo]

Pushing=You bring the gospel to an individual, and he DOESN't want to here about it but you still try to force it down his throat.

Witnessing= You bring the gosple to an individual, and he DOES want to hear about it and you share the Word.

So then according to you, there is absolutely no difference between pushing and witnessing as far as the gospel-spreader is concerned. The only difference between being pushed upon, or witnessed is that whether the reciever wants to hear it. In other words, whether you are a pusher or a witness is completely out of your control.

More importantly about this issue, if I were a Muslim, would it be ok if I came over the PA and suggest to my passengers to read the Quran?

 

[speedbird1974]

I think this captain should consider changing careers. Maybe becoming a preacher wouldnt be a bad idea. I think he deserves severe discipline because there is no reason for a pilot to do such thing.

 

[a320drivr]

Anybody that pushed religion on me would get a fist in the face. This AA pilots actions are reprehensible!!!

 

[100LL... Again!]

a320driver-


Big, big, talk.


speedbird-

Severe discipline??? Please grow up and try to get over your insecurities.

Why do you feel so threatened?

 

[G4G5]

My guess is that he just got a couple of months off without pay. The company will push for more the union less BUT lets try to keep in mind that our naked buddies at SWA got their jobs back.

My observations:
1. He may have wanted the additional two monts off so that he could go back down to South America and finish the religious mission that he just came off of. For all I know he asked for a PLofA and was denied.

2. His name and seniority number are on the APA's web site. It appears that he is a fairly senior pilot (top 10%) so he knew what he was doing and what the ramifications would be. IMHO, with his sen# he may be close to retirement and this was his parting shot.

3. Or. He's just too stupid to be in the cockpit and they should fire his as

 

[Mad Dog 80]

"SEVERE DISCIPLINE" - Some Aviators these days make me hate what I do. To know there are people in this proffession with this type of attitude. It's bad enough to have the FAA trying to pull your ticket now you have to worry about your own co-workers trying to get you "severe discipline".


Brotherhood in Aviation is Dead

 

[canyonblue]

Last week on my BUR-LAS flight I asked if all the strippers on board would please raise their hand.

 

[G4G5]

Last week on my BUR-LAS flight I asked if all the strippers on board would please raise their hand.

Amen Brother

 

[Mad Dog 80]

SOUTHWEST AIRLINES A TRUE PLACE OF AVIATOR BROTHERHOOD. I HOPE TO BE THERE SOMEDAY>>>>

 

[Swerpipe]

Ha Ha canyonblue

Canyonblue,

That was great! By the way, was that improper? What if you just wanted to convert them to Jesus?
Can't believe there are any strippers on the OAK-LAS or BUR-LAS or LAX-LAS or SNA-LAS, that's impossible.

 

[speedbird1974]

Mad Dog 80

How would you feel if someone tries to push you into believing a religion you dint believe. Imagine someone trying to convert you to Islam or a captain saying that there is no god, no heaven, no nothing. Would you feel offended?
Its not the captain job to convert people to his religion. His job is to fly the plane.
Nobody deserves severe punishment, you are right, but he shouldnt be able to get away from this that easy neither.

 

[Falconjet]

Nut case?

I personally would be a little worried about the mental state of this Captain. Regardless of your personal beliefs, wouldn't you wonder about this guy if you were flying with him.

I flew with a guy a while back who used to brief that if the apocalypse came while we were flying than I had the controls. Now I'm gald that he was a Christian and I hoped to be there with him, but I certainly questioned the guy's sanity for briefing that sort of thing. Imagine the faith that must have instilled in the rest of the crew in the back also. What kind of nut do we have flying us around today? Certainly doesn't give yo the warm and fuzzy flying with somebody dragging that kind of baggage inside their head.

I don't know what type of punishment might be appropriate, but perhaps it is time for that Captain to retire and find another line of work where he can preach the gospel to folks who want to hear it.

FJ

 

[WhiteCloud]

Why all the annoyance and hatred toward this pilot? Of course the cockpit of an airliner is not the place to overtly preach to the public and his remarks were probably inappropriate BUT why are we going for his jugular and suggesting he be fired over something like that? We gave a bigger break on this board to the Virgin (no pun intended) pilot who was accused of showing up drunk by the TSA. Why is the mention of religion such a hot topic for those who profess no religious belief?