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Mil vs Bypass vs LOA

Andy,

I currently am on MPA orders with my unit and expect to get recalled soon. I am also on mil leave from a contract job.

I'm afraid that if I go on Mil leave with UAL, then my orders run out prior to when my contract with "X" airlines ends, I will be forced to return to UAL then break my contract with "X" and get stiffed with a sizeable penalty.

I'm thinking I may by-pass or go on an LOA with UAL, then when it gets closer to my "X" airlines contract expiring and it looks like I've got enough orders to carry me throuigh to the end---then go bak to UAL but on Mil Leave.

Whaddya think.

Also, I think we are close in seniority--March-ish 2000.

Thanks, Take A
 
Take A, you are in an odd situation. I would go for the bypass or LOA initially if I were you, since you are 'working' three jobs. :p
As far as the LOA, I have read that it depends on your domicile as to whether or not they will grant you a LOA. I recommend that you call you domicile and go for an LOA initially. The phone number for your domicile is 1-800-UAL-9XXX where XXX = domicile (ORD, LAX, SFO, etc). From what I've read, the LOA is a much better deal than bypassing; you still accrue longevity and have pass benefits for 90 days.
If you are denied an LOA, you can bypass. You said that you were hired in Mar 2000 giving you a seniority range of 7917-8008. How long before they come back around the second time? I'll give you a WAG; I'm figuring that they will have made first pass on the seniority list by the end of this year to fill a Mar 2007 recall class. I don't know how many will decide to return on their last chance, but there are a bit over 900 numbers between 8008 and 8915. I'll assume about half bypass (450), and half that bypass end up returning; 225. I think that UAL will be in a 50/mo recall mode by then due to retirements, short manning, and expansion. I would guess that if you elect to bypass, UAL will call you around April 2007 for a summer 2007 class. If you go the bypass route, you can definitely go on mil leave later; you'll need to watch how fast they burn throught the seniority list second pass. It could go fast or slow.
Also, as we get to the bottom of the list, how many previous bypassers will come back with the seniority that they've accumulated from bypassing?

Again, please read my disclaimer above. There are a lot of moving parts here, but as long as there are retirements, crew shortages, and block hour expansion at UAL, they will have to recall pilots.
 
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Andy said:
Again, please read my disclaimer above. There are a lot of moving parts here, but as long as there are retirements, crew shortages, and block hour expansion at UAL, they will have to recall pilots.

How long until "off the street" hiring?
 
Reebo said:
How long until "off the street" hiring?

My best guess is early 2008. That's written in jello, subject to the disclaimer below. :)

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I was wondering if anyone knew how many days a month lineholders and reserves are working. As I recall, it used to be 15 days a month for reserves. And how junior is Denver these days. Are they putting any newly recalled dudes in Denver?
 
Fletch F Fletch said:
I was wondering if anyone knew how many days a month lineholders and reserves are working. As I recall, it used to be 15 days a month for reserves. And how junior is Denver these days. Are they putting any newly recalled dudes in Denver?

For the LCO (737/Airbus), I believe it's 20 days/month for reserves; probably similar for lineholders.
In the February vacancy bid, 7 737 and 2 Airbus slots to Denver went unfilled. That will make those slots available for recalled pilots. Long answer, but yes, newly recalled dudes can get Denver.
 
In United's contract 2003, the LCO (low cost operation) which is the 737 and 320 fleets: minimum of 10 days off in months with 30 days and 11 off in months with 31 days. They can also build the lines up to 95 hours. Work harder and get fewer days off. I guess we can thank the discount carriers for that.
 
I guess we can thank the discount carriers for that.

I'm sorry,you're wrong, I've worked both. At UAL I worked 18 days/mo. The most I've ever worked at SWA is 16. In April I was scheduled to work 12 with 18 days off. Unfortunately, I'll only be working 6 because of vacation.

Yep, its the discounters dragging this industry down. {insert evil laugh here}



I actually feel kinda sorry for you, having such a crappy, blame everyone else attitude for the next 20 or so years. Enjoy your career.
 
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Slug,
Thanks for the sympathy. To be honest, at the discount airline I'm currently working for, I've had more days off than I did at UAL (being junior). But, the over all quality of life is worse. I fly twice as many hours with half the pay. Plus a bunch of other crappy little things. It sounds like your happy at SWA, but I don't think I could do the low cost thing for 20+ more years. I flew the 73 for 3 years at United, when I go back next month, I'll be seat locked in it for 3 more and it will be under the new "low cost" contract. 6 years, that should be plenty, I can't imagine 30 years, but that just me. Everyone wants different things from their airline career. I assume you are staying at SWA. Good luck to us both and take care.
 
level370 said:
In United's contract 2003, the LCO (low cost operation) which is the 737 and 320 fleets: minimum of 10 days off in months with 30 days and 11 off in months with 31 days. They can also build the lines up to 95 hours. Work harder and get fewer days off. I guess we can thank the discount carriers for that.

There is a new side letter out that apparently gives some relief to the LCO guys. I believe the number of days off is now equal to mainline.
 
Pat Fabin said:
Andy,

If they keep running the classes through the summer (they didn't last year) then maybe she'll get a letter in a month or two. She's inside of 100 now and very excited to go back.

-PF

Then there will just be one more empty kitchen out there. :laugh:
 
Hvy said:
There is a new side letter out that apparently gives some relief to the LCO guys. I believe the number of days off is now equal to mainline.

Yep, new LCO TA with minimum of 12 days off. See ALPA site for details. That should help a little bit. It's good to see improvements are being made to the contract mid-stream. Hopefully, things are moving in the right direction again.
 
Ia there any way to tell what aircraft assortmentwill be in each recall class?

I would bypass and would wait a few months to go back into an airbus-only class. Don't want the guppy.
 

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