More Furlough Rumblings at Flex

[John MClain]

Your the exact type that allows the Greeds of the world to walk all over them - then when you wake up one day and say what happened - you'll be the first to whine and cry that nobody did anything.

Your exactly what Fred Greed is looking for.

I'm so sorry Mr. Fast. I just realized I owe you an apology, I just noticed your your massive 5500 total hours of flight time, with that incredible amount of experience you've obviously seen and done it all. PaLeeeeze, I've got more than that in the left seat of just one of the 10 planes I'm typed in. Put a 1 in front of that measly 5500 and at least work for the company you seem to know everything about and then just maybe you'll have some credibility. I am curious however, who are you a co-pilot for?

 

[John MClain]

It never ceases to amaze me how y'all will fight with each other like drunk crazed monkeys and show balls of steel when commenting on a stupid message board but not a one of you will actaully fight for your jobs or your position in life, the company, this industry etc... Is all this b!tching easier or just more fun than actually sticking to your guns and doing something?

Dear Mrs. Flex*wife,spouse,husband,life partner or whatever you are, you don't know the first thing about what me or any other of the professional crewmembers at Flex have done as far as fighting for our jobs or positions in life. For that matter, you don't know a damn thing about me or mine and I find it a little insulting and quite presumptuous that you seem to think you do. You and every other single minded standing on the sideline expert need to broaden your vision a little and finally accept the fact that aviation industry as a whole is suffering, not just FlexJet. Just take a look at the financial numbers for the 800 lb. gorilla of the fractional industry, the numbers are staggering. Were it not for the incredibly deep pockets of Mr. Buffet and B&H, They would quite possibly be bankrupt or certainly downsized significantly, union or not. Time will only tell how long Mr. B or his soon to be announced successor will continue to tolerate the arterial bleeding that's been going on both pre and post union.

As far as drunk crazed monkey's, never seen any but I'll bet it's pretty funny. I'm partial to chimpanzee's how bout you? can you tell me where I could actually see some, other than your imagination?

I've never actually seen testicles made from steel either, I think your confusing them with the BenWah balls you probably have in your nightstand. I also do not have balls, I only have A ball. I lost one to testicular cancer, a condition rather common among many experienced aviators, time at altitude, solar radiation, exposure to radar, the hole in the ozone layer and all that stuff ya know.

God bless.

 

[flex*wife]

John McClain -- whilst trying to put me down you proved my point for me without me having to defend any of my statements. Funny how that happens. You are so busy trying to prove what a big man you are all you really did was prove you are one crankY old geezer who needs another hobby. I love those guys who stand behind their flight hours or life experience to excuse their total lack of current relevance to the point at hand. Get real. A guy with 5000 hours wants to keep his job, improve his company, help out his profession every bit as much as you if not not more you condesending dip$hit.

I know the industry is in the crapper and I am far from being on the sidelines so check yourself before you act like such an a$$. You have proved yourself to be one with not a single bit of relevant or helpful discourse on the matters at hand.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Dear Mrs. Flex*wife,spouse,husband,life partner or whatever you are, you don't know the first thing about what me or any other of the professional crewmembers at Flex have done as far as fighting for our jobs or positions in life.

You actually buying into the pilot's wife story? I think it is just a double account.

 

[unclepetey]

I also do not have balls, I only have A ball. I lost one to testicular cancer, a condition rather common among many experienced aviators, time at altitude, solar radiation, exposure to radar, the hole in the ozone layer and all that stuff ya know.

God bless.

Too much info there, Uniball.

 

[flex*wife]

Too much info there, Uniball.

Holy Moses -- please check the quote structure in your last post -- I did not post that!!!! I PROMISE PROMISE PROMISE despite all the doubt I have NO balls. Made me laugh though!

Oops -- just saw you fixed it! Was funny to see it look as though that quote was my post!

 

[John MClain]

Too much info there, Uniball.

Uniball, Wow, that's an original. Never heard that one before UnclePenis, take ya awhile to come up with that one did it? all by yourself? My wife called me that on the way home from the hospital 5 years ago.

You are so busy trying to prove what a big man you are all you really did was prove you are one crankY old geezer who needs another hobby. I am probably younger than you or your hubby, Sweetheart. And oh by the way, working and flying at FlexJet has and always will be a profession and career not a hobby, Snookems. you condesending dip$hit. Now now, that's not very lady like.

I am far from being on the sidelines There's a shocker, tell us all something we don't know. I don't even think your in the parking lot of the stadium, Puddin Pop. before you act like such an a$$. There's that un-lady like language again, you kiss your Flexhubby with that mouth?

Have a blessed day

 

[flex*wife]

You are so busy trying to prove what a big man you are all you really did was prove you are one crankY old geezer who needs another hobby. I am probably younger than you or your hubby, Sweetheart. And oh by the way, working and flying at FlexJet has and always will be a profession and career not a hobby, Snookems. you condesending dip$hit. Now now, that's not very lady like.

I am far from being on the sidelines There's a shocker, tell us all something we don't know. I don't even think your in the parking lot of the stadium, Puddin Pop. before you act like such an a$$. There's that un-lady like language again, you kiss your Flexhubby with that mouth?

Have a blessed day

okay, first off I never claimed to be a lady, just a wife ;-)

Secondly, due to how I am reading your stadium quote, I think you misunderstood me. I am not on the sidelines, I am in the game. As a complete partner to my husband, this very much concerns me, I think about it all the time and try to be as knowledgable and interactive as I can be in order to support him better. I know that some of you either don't believe that or it pi$$es you off or you think I have overstepped my bounds, but I can assure you it's the only partner I know how to be.

Granted I am not flying out on the line and as a non pilot I know that automatically disqualifies me to some of you, but believe me I am invested in what happens at flex in more ways than one. It effects not just my husband but our entire family.

So to bring things back to the point you actually help make for me John, can we please actually get to a place where we resolve or discourse actual issues and stop the pi$$ing matches.

There are serious matters at hand for the economy, the industry and this company. Chest thumping hours or wangy size or what company one works for isn't helpful or relevant in the attempt to garner solutions, understanding or in helping us express our frustration at how screwed up things have become. That is the real purpose of a message board, not all the other stuff this thread has become...

The thread is about how scared crapless some of us are to lose what we have and how pi$$ed some of us are that some have already lost. Just like you say John McClain, Flexjet has always been a CAREER for my husband. I truly hope he gets to retire from there, but if things don't change it worries me he'll never get to. Flying is the only thing he has ever done and I have been out of my career for several years now to raise kids and the pt job I do have now will never support us. I am scared, upset and nervous. And that's not going to go away because you condescend to me or others on here.

So you claim you are young but with 10 type ratings and 15K+ hours. I'll take you at your word and not assume you are just killing time past 60, but if that is really true I would assume you would be in a better position than most here to ride out a storm. If not, I would question your ability to be giving advice at all becuase if my hubby had those numbers I can assure you he would have something to show for it. So just chill a wee bit and stop attacking people who share what should be your goals even if the approach is different.

And no John McClain, God Bless YOU! I just hope he throws in some peace with that blessing.

 

[flex*wife]

Your living in a dream world if you think a union is the solution to the problem. This industry sucks right now for everyone of us and there isnt a union out there that is going to fix it.

Fix? No -- not at all. I agree 100%. But don't you at least want a seat at the table that decides your future? A voice in the discussion about your futures? That is ALL I have ever advocated.

I think it is entirely possible for Flexjet to be the best job in the industry regardless of pay scales, duty days, benefits etc... but not if you guys wait on someone else to do it for you.

For those I know support a union it has never been about money. But for enough in the ranks money is enough to stop progress every time there is some in the drive and Flex has gotten good with playing that game. I feel dejected about it, but I think that's the way it will always be. Forgive me for trying to inspire a few people...

 

[ArtVandalay]

What's funny to me is that you both argue on a public forum back and forth, blah blah blah..... Why don't you two email each other and save the space on this board.
mr clain, sounds like you have accomplished alot on the CAB for us at flexjet; can I have your autograph?

 

[FastJP4]

I'm so sorry Mr. Fast. I just realized I owe you an apology, I just noticed your your massive 5500 total hours of flight time, with that incredible amount of experience you've obviously seen and done it all. PaLeeeeze, I've got more than that in the left seat of just one of the 10 planes I'm typed in. Put a 1 in front of that measly 5500 and at least work for the company you seem to know everything about and then just maybe you'll have some credibility. I am curious however, who are you a co-pilot for?

No need to patronize. Really, I could care less how many hours you have - but if you need to do the self-stroke on your own ego, by all means do so. What's next to compare - who's dropped the largest bombload? Seriously.

It would be my guess that you're one of the good ole boys in the upper 1/4 of the seniority list. Most likely one of the guys picking up overtime at every opportunity, inspite of those on the street.

Someone earlier mentioned you were part of the CAB. If so, you're doing a bang-up job there. :laugh: Much like the rest of your type at Flex, your only battle is to be first in line to stick their nose up FG's tailpipe. Keep up the good work - Fred relies on guys like you.

 

[bunman45]

Can't we all just get along?

 

[Dooker]

Well, thanks for confronting them about it. Wish more guys were like you. Next time you do, please tell them we the furloughed really appreciate it. It's not like we have bills to pay and families to feed or anything.

I met a lot of great people at Flex and really enjoyed my time there, but more and more every day I wish I would have just kept flying single pilot in piece of $#!t freighters for $45k a year. I never thought I'd consider those the "good old days" so soon, but wow... those really were the good old days.

Maybe if their wives had jobs they wouldn't have to whore themselves so badly.

Have you ever noticed that most of the OT prostitutes have either a) boats or McMansions or some other expensive accessory or b) stay at home wives (the ultimate luxury item).

I give thanks to Allah every day for blessing me with a wife with a career.

 

[FraxJockey]

Maybe if their wives had jobs they wouldn't have to whore themselves so badly.

Have you ever noticed that most of the OT prostitutes have either a) boats or McMansions or some other expensive accessory or b) stay at home wives (the ultimate luxury item).

I give thanks to Allah every day for blessing me with a wife with a career.

Heaven forbid someone other than a NANNY or DAYCARE raise our children...sheesh.

 

[notapilot]

Maybe if their wives had jobs they wouldn't have to whore themselves so badly.

Have you ever noticed that most of the OT prostitutes have either a) boats or McMansions or some other expensive accessory or b) stay at home wives (the ultimate luxury item).

I give thanks to Allah every day for blessing me with a wife with a career.

So you give thanks for having a job that requires two incomes. I don't get it. Just asking.

 

[CL300Pilot]

Well said Frax. Or, maybe those "stay at home moms" had careers that tanked right with the economy. Once again, stones and glass houses.

Heaven forbid someone other than a NANNY or DAYCARE raise our children...sheesh.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Hope and a buck will buy you maybe a cup of coffee. You guys/gals don't start doing something to help yourselves there - FG will have you down to getting paid by the flight hour and no benefits whatsoever.

If I were you, I'd get off my butt and do a little more than hope.

Please oh Great One, enlighten all of us poor Flexjetters with your all knowing genius and tell us what we should do! You don't even work at Flex you #%$&che' Bag.



Hey DirtyBiaach, why don't you and Unclepenis just move on if your being unwillingly sodomized at Flex. I am sure everyone would be a lot happier, including our owners for whom I'm sure you are continuously providing an Amazing Customer Experience. Right?

And this is what we're up against. Mr. "compensating for something with my need to show off my TT and number of type ratings while unable to comprehend the ability to be displeased with our company's direction and still do a damn fine job at the same time". Also noted is the high level of maturity required to come up with "unclepenis" and "Dirtybiaach" while expressing the love it or leave it sentiment with regards to FJ. God we have some real toolbags at this company.

 

[John MClain]

Hope and a buck will buy you maybe a cup of coffee. You guys/gals don't start doing something to help yourselves there - FG will have you down to getting paid by the flight hour and no benefits whatsoever.

If I were you, I'd get off my butt and do a little more than hope.
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Originally Posted by DirtyBeech
Sorry, but our group is the sit and take it crowd.

These are quotes from 2 posts that started me posting my responses. Contrary to what you think Mr. Fastjp4, I did not post my experience level to compensate for anything. I did it to contrast the vast difference between yours and mine and that I find no credible information or idea's from your posting and that is insulting to be told to get off my butt and do something by someone who has probably had no more than 2 or 3 flying jobs at the most. Secondly, you have given no indication that you even work or fly for FlexJet yet you feel obligated to tell us what is going to happen to us in the future. With your relatively low experience level, what makes you such an expert? Did you tell us what we should do? No, you simply made a bold statement of fact with no facts or figures or examples to back it up. What makes you an expert on Fred Reid? Probably nothing except what we all know already. Yes I am in the top 1/4 at FlexJet and yes that makes me much more of an expert about what has and has not worked here. I have been a professional pilot for 28 years and FlexJet is by far the best company i have worked for. Is it perfect ?, absolutely not, but I challenge you to find an aviation related company that is. I am just sick and tired of hearing these relatively inexperienced whiners continually complaining about how they are constantly being abused and tormented by the management and senior pilots. FlexJet is some of these guy's FIRST Jet or high paying job! Nobody's being abused or tormented and DirtyBeech or George Costanza would take my seat in a heartbeat out of seniority if given the opportunity. These same individuals see fit to accuse me and the senior pilot group of Stealing overtime. I myself have had (1) day of overtime this year, not that I need to explain to you or anyone why I did it, but I will because it's a perfect example of how these Idiot's, morons and malcontents spew this anti-company rhetoric to support and spread their misery. I blocked in a KADS at 2231 one evening and my vehicle was at KDFW, that's it. The short little bald guy seems to think he knows that I've served on the CAB. Once again, a whining malcontent has his facts wrong yet feels perfectly at ease posting as though it's a fact. As far as Mr. DirtyBeech goes all I will say is this, anyone who states his current position as Defending the Frontier from Zur and the Kodan Armarda is just the type of person I want telling me what and how to fix all that is supposedly wrong at FlexJet. Being called a Toolbag from in inmature dweeb like him I'll take as a compliment.

The only fact out of all this BS is that FlexJet is still in business and doing rather well considering everything else that's going on. What's going to happen next is anybody's guess and FlexJet's future will not be solidified by any of these so called experts simple solution of Union, Union, Union. It's like a broken F@#$%ing record and it's getting oh so very old and, so are they.

 

[Dooker]

All I'm saying is, a marriage with two incomes is like a plane with two engines. You lose one, you still stay in the air. Or at least you don't reach the crash site so fast.
And none of the OT w h o r e s I've met had wives who lost their jobs. Their wives never had jobs to begin with.

I've traveled all over the world, and the only two places I've been where this weird situation (seemingly intelligent, educated women stuck in exclusively domestic roles) seems to exist are here and the Middle East, and it really didn't even come into being here until the fifties. Before that, working class women (and, yes, pilots are working class) were just as likely as men to work, even if married.

My mom and dad both worked--they were teachers. I never felt that I or my sisters ever were the worse for it. If anything, I believe a working mom is a healthier role model for girls than a stay-at-homer.

And here's another thing. I've made an informal study of friends' wives--those who work versus those who stay at home all day. Those who work seem waaaaayyy happier and, well, normal, to me than those who hang around the house all day trying to invent things to occupy themselves.

A home-bound wife is a luxury item, just like a Lexus or a country club membership or a big boat. If you have one, and you have to pick up every overtime shift that comes along, you get no sympathy from me.

 

[netjetwife]

.... I believe some have a fundamental misunderstanding of what a union on the property can or can't do. a union doesn't guarantee bad things won't happen. No it doesn't, but a contract guaranteeing professional compensation allows a pilot/family to save for the rainy days and paid health insurance can avert financial disaster. it won't guarantee good things will happen. True, but it does provide an avenue; CBA guaranteed pay can bring a lot of good things with it and mandating that there will be joint committees can teach both sides to work together which is also a good thing. what a union does IS guarantee the pilots who always seem to bear the brunt of the whole good/bad scenario have a voice in the process and aren't completely at the mercy of management. Well said! for the life of me I'll never understand why pilots who train their entire lives to be masters of the aircraft they fly - are content to let others be masters of their career. An unending mystery to me, too.

Steeler, I understand your point is clarification and that the advantages I listed are dependent upon a good contract, but as that is the objective of any group that stands together, I thought it worth mentioning. I share your confusion. Why would pilots who are constantly making critical decisions leave ones that profoundly affect them and their family to the whim of managers who don't have to live with the results... Aren't the majority of professional pilots in aviation unionized for career protection that comes with the guarantee of due process when questions arise?